BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT


JagBR

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We had a good discussion last night in BIBLE CLASS on SALVATION. We learned that some Denominations teach that once we accept Christ that we are already BAPTIZED in the HOLY SPIRIT. We also learned that Penticostals teach that the BAPTISM in the HOLY SPIRIT comes afterwards. We also talked about SPEAKING in TONGUES. We read some SCRIPTURES from First Corinthian. What does your CHURCH teach on this subject?
 
The bible teaches that the baptism of the Holy Spirit (wich is just receiving the Spirit) is something that is for all believers who accepts Jesus as their personal savior but it doesn't happen at the moment when someone believes or first accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior. There will be some people on this board that will tell you that it doesn't happen to everyone or it doesn't happen at all. The recieving of the spirit is the Baptism in the Holy Ghost. Speaking in tongues is something that happens to every body who recieves the spirit, wich happens after you believe and is baptised in the name of Jesus.

Mark16:16-18
Acts2:5
Acts2:8
Acts2:4
Acts2:17-21




Acts2:34(the holy spirit is what they saw and heard so what was it that they saw and heard?)



What must we do to recieve this gift that Jesus said we would have in Mark16:16-18?

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After you recieve it, you must hold to the Apostles teachings
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Acts10:44-48 (verse 46 tells how they knew that they had the holy spirit)
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How do we know that recieving the spirit is the same thing as the baptism of the Holy Spirit? (Acts11:15-17) Notice the words of peter,"GOD GAVE THEM THE SAME GIFT, IN THE SAME WAY IT WAS GIVEN TO US WHO BELIEVED IN THE LORD JESUS...."
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More proof that you don't recieve the spirit(baptism of the spirit) upon belief in Jesus. (Acts19:1-7)
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Does only certain people have the gift of the Holy Spirit or does everyone and anyone recieve the baptism of the Holy Ghost? (1Cor12:13) (Acts2:34) (Mark16:16-18)
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Are you saved with out the Spirit? (Romans8:5-14) (1Cor2:11-15)
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This is simple bible questions and answers. If any man (and there will be some) tell you anything different than what was taught by the apostles in wich you just read then don't believe it. Let God be true and every man a lie.
(Galations1:11-12) (Ephsesians3:5) (1Cor14:37) (Ephesians2:20) (Galations1:8-9) (2Peter1:19-21) (2Peter2:1-22) (ephesians3:1-6) (1John4:1-6) (2Peter3:2) And finally(Rev22:18-19)

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What was some of the commandments given by the apostles and Holy Prophets?
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Has any thing they preached then changed in any way, shape, form, or fashion?
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What have we leared? The Baptism of the Holy Ghost(wich is simply recieving the Holy Spirit) is for everyone then and now. Tongues is something that happens to everyone who gets filled with the spirit; wich is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You must have the Holy Spirit in order to be saved and have to be baptised in the name of Jesus to recieve it.
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If a man or a church isn't teaching this, find another church that is teaching the one and only true gosple that was preached by the apostles.

1 Lord(Jesus)


1 Faith(faith of the Apostles wich is the Fondation of TRUE christians' faith /Apostolic) Ephesians2:20


1Baptism(in the name of Jesus)(Ephesians4:3-7) (Acts2:38) (Col3:17)
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The Truth will set you free.
 



We are taught that the evidence of the Holy Spirit is NOT speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is a GIFT of the Holy Spirit. It is another language & a sign to those who don't believe & should be done in the presence of an interpreter. Lastly, our pastor teaches that it's better to prophesy(which edifies) than to speak in tongues.
 
Fortitude said:
We are taught that the evidence of the Holy Spirit is NOT speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is a GIFT of the Holy Spirit. It is another language & a sign to those who don't believe & should be done in the presence of an interpreter. Lastly, our pastor teaches that it's better to prophesy(which edifies) than to speak in tongues.
Co-sign all except for that last part. We are taught, because the Bible says, That all gifts are to edify God and God only. If you speak in tongues, it is for God not ourselves. [point]

We are also taught that if one speaks in tongues there must be an inturpeter present. For if you speak in tongues and no one is present to inturpet, the bible says "go outside and do it alone."
 
I am not going to say too much about the subject. My exegesis of the scriptures is based on the original grammatical formulation of the scriptures.

Christians are baptized in the possession of the Holy Spirit and not a ?Holy Spirit Baptism?. There are two baptism mentioned in the bible the ?Holy Spirit and Water? We have to find out which one applies to Christians.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Mt. 28:19 - The word ?in? is ?locative? in the possession of the ?Godhead?

Then you are sealed with the Holy Spirit [Ephesians 2:13]

The term ?baptism? and the Holy Spirit do not occur together! The Bible does not speak of Holy Spirit baptism?

Consider the Berean?s ??. and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11

Therefore, it is imperative for an individual must search the scripture to find the answer.

You will not find the phrase ?Holy Spirit baptism? in any verse. Unfortunately too many think that ?Holy Spirit baptism? is a common doctrine relative to believers in the New Testament. This is no true and there are no examples.

First with reference to Jesus? water baptism; secondly, with reference to what John said about his water baptism and a coming baptism; there is three references in the book of Acts that look to water, then mention the Holy Spirit; and in 1 Corinthians that speaks of something the Spirit does, not that one is baptized into the Holy Spirit.

The use of these words [Holy Spirit & Baptism] is found only in what John said Jesus was going to do, in what Jesus said to His apostles, and in what one apostle said he remembered what Jesus said.

?I baptized you in water; But he [Jesus] shall baptize you in [locative ? in the possession of] the Holy Spirit? Mark 1:8.

?For John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence? Acts 1:5.

?And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit? Acts 11:16.


Note: Each time the word ?in? is used.

Holy Spirit Baptism, is an unscriptural foundation that many build their doctrine of ?Holy Spirit baptism for all believers??

First: consider the three scripture above: Mark 1:8 (and the parallel passages). The Number One Rule which most forget or do not even know is this: What is the context wherein a passage is found? When kept within proper context, even difficult Bible passages are easier to understand. This ?Holy Spirit baptism? passage is not hard to understand.

Reading Mark 1:1-8, we learn that, according to the prophet Isaiah, John was sent by God to preach to a certain group [Israel]. Now, to whom was John speaking when he made reference to what Jesus would do? Now, verse five tells gives us a location ?all the country of Judea, and all they of Jerusalem.? These were Jews, those that practice Judaism not Christians.

At this point, it seems that Jesus would baptize in the Holy Spirit all the Jews who were baptized of John in water. Searching the scriptures through the New Testament, this did not happen. So, John said Jesus would do something that never happened. Was John incorrect? Did he lie? Did Jesus not do what He was supposed to do? [IF] we believe that the Bible is God?s inspired [God breath] word, we know that these things could not be true. So, what does John mean by what he said to this crowd of unrepentant Jews? Since this context does not speak of or to Christians, this baptism in the Holy Spirit can not be claimed by ?Christians?

Now, Jesus? promise to His apostles. He used the same words, and referred back to what John had preached. In Acts 1:5 we read again: ?For John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.? Jesus is speaking to His disciples / apostles after His resurrection. Did Jesus mean what He said or did He lie to His apostles? No, we know that being the Son of God, He would not, could not do such lie. So, did the apostles ever receive this baptism? Yes, reference Acts 2:1-4.
[Pentecost]

This baptism was a promise only to the disciples and to them alone and was never given to any other. This contextual wording and promise will never be found in the Bible referring to any other. The ?baptism of the Holy Spirit? was never mentioned as applying to any other anywhere in the New Testament.

One can only conclude that what John was saying to the nation of Israel, was a ?promise? of what God had planned as a special relationship He was to enact with His people through His Spirit.

Why did Jesus made this promise to His apostles and no one else. The answer to this is found in John (14-16) where Jesus is explaining the work He has set in order for the Apostles / Disciples. Read John 14:16-18. Verse 26 reaffirms that the Holy Spirit is coming to them. In John 15:26-27, Jesus again tells them the Holy Spirit is the Comforter Who is coming to them. He is the spirit of Truth and will teach them. They?the apostles?are to be Christ?s witnesses and only a certain few can meet the qualification to be a witness. Read (Acts 1:21,22).

In John 6:7-11. Jesus said the Holy Spirit will comes to them, He [Holy Spirit] will?through them?convict the world with respect to sin, righteousness, and judgment. This was to be done through their preaching and teaching of the gospel / apostles doctrine [Luke - Acts 2.42]. Read John 16: 13-15. Jesus makes clear that the Holy Spirit was going to teach them and cause them to remember all that Jesus taught them. The Spirit was not going to create doctrine, but deliver what Christ decreed from Heaven to them.

Here is the conclusion of this whole matter: John said that Jesus was to baptize with the Holy Spirit. Jesus applied this promise to His apostles and to no others. This promise was fulfilled as recorded in Acts two and was never repeated.

There was never a ?baptism of the Holy Spirit? upon anyone other than the apostles, and there is none now.

Christians are now under water Baptism ? this is why ?Ephesians 4:5?

?There is ONE LORD (Jesus); ONE FAITH (Christian System); ONE BAPTISM ?
The ONE baptism is either WATER or HOLY SPIRIT baptism. If the ONE baptism is Holy Ghost baptism, then...

NO Remission of sins comes thru it (AC. 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If we had the ?Holy Spirit Baptism? there would not be a need for the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

NO Redemption comes thru it (COL. 1:13-14)

NO Spiritual blessings come through it (EPH. 1:3)

(The only way into Christ is to be baptized into Him in water (ROM. 6:3) Know ye not, hat so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

There Is Only One Baptism and It Is Water Baptism. There has been only water baptism since about A.D. 62.

Water baptism represents the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus which we must imitate in order to be saved by Him (ROM. 6:17-18)

"Holy Spirit Baptism" is a once and for all act - that happen on the Day of Pentecost and this will never happen again.
 
Dr H.. said:
I am not going to say too much about the subject. My exegesis of the scriptures is based on the original grammatical formulation of the scriptures.

Christians are baptized in the possession of the Holy Spirit and not a ?Holy Spirit Baptism?. There are two baptism mentioned in the bible the ?Holy Spirit and Water? We have to find out which one applies to Christians.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Mt. 28:19 - The word ?in? is ?locative? in the possession of the ?Godhead?

Then you are sealed with the Holy Spirit [Ephesians 2:13]

The term ?baptism? and the Holy Spirit do not occur together! The Bible does not speak of Holy Spirit baptism?

Consider the Berean?s ??. and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11

Therefore, it is imperative for an individual must search the scripture to find the answer.

You will not find the phrase ?Holy Spirit baptism? in any verse. Unfortunately too many think that ?Holy Spirit baptism? is a common doctrine relative to believers in the New Testament. This is no true and there are no examples.

First with reference to Jesus? water baptism; secondly, with reference to what John said about his water baptism and a coming baptism; there is three references in the book of Acts that look to water, then mention the Holy Spirit; and in 1 Corinthians that speaks of something the Spirit does, not that one is baptized into the Holy Spirit.

The use of these words [Holy Spirit & Baptism] is found only in what John said Jesus was going to do, in what Jesus said to His apostles, and in what one apostle said he remembered what Jesus said.

?I baptized you in water; But he [Jesus] shall baptize you in [locative ? in the possession of] the Holy Spirit? Mark 1:8.

?For John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence? Acts 1:5.

?And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit? Acts 11:16.


Note: Each time the word ?in? is used.

Holy Spirit Baptism, is an unscriptural foundation that many build their doctrine of ?Holy Spirit baptism for all believers??

First: consider the three scripture above: Mark 1:8 (and the parallel passages). The Number One Rule which most forget or do not even know is this: What is the context wherein a passage is found? When kept within proper context, even difficult Bible passages are easier to understand. This ?Holy Spirit baptism? passage is not hard to understand.

Reading Mark 1:1-8, we learn that, according to the prophet Isaiah, John was sent by God to preach to a certain group [Israel]. Now, to whom was John speaking when he made reference to what Jesus would do? Now, verse five tells gives us a location ?all the country of Judea, and all they of Jerusalem.? These were Jews, those that practice Judaism not Christians.

At this point, it seems that Jesus would baptize in the Holy Spirit all the Jews who were baptized of John in water. Searching the scriptures through the New Testament, this did not happen. So, John said Jesus would do something that never happened. Was John incorrect? Did he lie? Did Jesus not do what He was supposed to do? [IF] we believe that the Bible is God?s inspired [God breath] word, we know that these things could not be true. So, what does John mean by what he said to this crowd of unrepentant Jews? Since this context does not speak of or to Christians, this baptism in the Holy Spirit can not be claimed by ?Christians?

Now, Jesus? promise to His apostles. He used the same words, and referred back to what John had preached. In Acts 1:5 we read again: ?For John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.? Jesus is speaking to His disciples / apostles after His resurrection. Did Jesus mean what He said or did He lie to His apostles? No, we know that being the Son of God, He would not, could not do such lie. So, did the apostles ever receive this baptism? Yes, reference Acts 2:1-4.
[Pentecost]

This baptism was a promise only to the disciples and to them alone and was never given to any other. This contextual wording and promise will never be found in the Bible referring to any other. The ?baptism of the Holy Spirit? was never mentioned as applying to any other anywhere in the New Testament.

One can only conclude that what John was saying to the nation of Israel, was a ?promise? of what God had planned as a special relationship He was to enact with His people through His Spirit.

Why did Jesus made this promise to His apostles and no one else. The answer to this is found in John (14-16) where Jesus is explaining the work He has set in order for the Apostles / Disciples. Read John 14:16-18. Verse 26 reaffirms that the Holy Spirit is coming to them. In John 15:26-27, Jesus again tells them the Holy Spirit is the Comforter Who is coming to them. He is the spirit of Truth and will teach them. They?the apostles?are to be Christ?s witnesses and only a certain few can meet the qualification to be a witness. Read (Acts 1:21,22).

In John 6:7-11. Jesus said the Holy Spirit will comes to them, He [Holy Spirit] will?through them?convict the world with respect to sin, righteousness, and judgment. This was to be done through their preaching and teaching of the gospel / apostles doctrine [Luke - Acts 2.42]. Read John 16: 13-15. Jesus makes clear that the Holy Spirit was going to teach them and cause them to remember all that Jesus taught them. The Spirit was not going to create doctrine, but deliver what Christ decreed from Heaven to them.

Here is the conclusion of this whole matter: John said that Jesus was to baptize with the Holy Spirit. Jesus applied this promise to His apostles and to no others. This promise was fulfilled as recorded in Acts two and was never repeated.

There was never a ?baptism of the Holy Spirit? upon anyone other than the apostles, and there is none now.

Christians are now under water Baptism ? this is why ?Ephesians 4:5?

?There is ONE LORD (Jesus); ONE FAITH (Christian System); ONE BAPTISM ?
The ONE baptism is either WATER or HOLY SPIRIT baptism. If the ONE baptism is Holy Ghost baptism, then...

NO Remission of sins comes thru it (AC. 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If we had the ?Holy Spirit Baptism? there would not be a need for the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

NO Redemption comes thru it (COL. 1:13-14)

NO Spiritual blessings come through it (EPH. 1:3)

(The only way into Christ is to be baptized into Him in water (ROM. 6:3) Know ye not, hat so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

There Is Only One Baptism and It Is Water Baptism. There has been only water baptism since about A.D. 62.

Water baptism represents the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus which we must imitate in order to be saved by Him (ROM. 6:17-18)

"Holy Spirit Baptism" is a once and for all act - that happen on the Day of Pentecost and this will never happen again.
Hmmph, Not too much Huh? :)
 
docmump

I have about 30 pages on the topic of Holy Spirit Baptism.


Do you think that is to much? :lol:
 
FINEST

"Why do so many people fake speaking in tongues?"


I think most know my take on tongue speaking. Of course some folks believe they can raise the dead, heal the lame, give sight to the blind, walk on water etc, etc, because the Apostles, through the Godhead gave them the power and only for a period of time. Some folks, say they can do these thins, but has failed to provide any evidence of their claim.

The following is taken from a transcript of a well known Preacher, researcher and author John F. MacArthur, Jr.

?Someone sent me a sample of some Charismatic Sunday School literature which is designed specifically to teach Kindergarten children how to speak in tongues. It's titled, "I've Been Filled with the Holy Spirit," and it is an eight paged coloring book. One page has a caricature of a smiling weight lifter with a T-shirt and it says, "Spiritman", and under him is printed 1 Corinthians 14:4, "He that speaks in an unknown tongue builds himself up." Another page features a little boy who looks something like (some of you will remember) Howdy Doody, something like that, with his hands lifted up, and a dotted outline pictures where his lungs would be. This evidently represents his spirit. Inside the lung shaped diagram is printed this, "Bal Li Ode Da Ma Ta Las Si Ta No Ma," (sp.). A cartoon styled balloon then comes out his mouth and repeats the words, "Bal Li Ode Da Ma Ta Las Si Ta No Ma," (sp.). A brain-shaped cloud is drawn in his head with a large question mark in the cloud.?

Most of us may have heard of :

?Charles and Francis Hunter, who travel all across the world in healing explosion meetings, have as a part of their curriculum the seminars in which they teach people how to speak in tongues. They have as many as 50,000 people in some of their meetings. Charles Hunter tells people, and I quote,

When you pray with your spirit you do not think of the sounds of the language. Just trust God, but make the sounds when I tell you to. In just a moment, when I tell you, begin loving and praising God by speaking forth a lot of different syllable sounds. At first make the sounds rapidly so you won't try to think as you do in speaking your natural language. Make the sounds loudly at first so you can easily hear what you are saying.

That's an interesting contradiction! Hunter doesn't explain what point there is in hearing what you are saying since your mind isn't engaged anyway. But he continually reminds his audience [that] they are not supposed to be thinking, quote, he says, "The reason some of you don't speak fluently, is that you try to think of the sounds. So when we pray this prayer and you start speaking in your heavenly language--don't try to think!" Later he adds, "You don't even have to think in order to pray in the Spirit!" ?

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/CHAOS10.HTM

My Comment

I have never in my life read anywhere in the Holy Bible that the Apostles enrolled in a class to learn how to speak in tongues or use coloring books.

"Maybe Dwayne can explain why coloring books and classes are needed.

?Bal Li Ode Da Ma Ta Las Si Ta No Ma," is not a known language. And I am sure this is not the tongues of an angel. Why? Because if the angles in the OT and NT said Bal Li Ode Da Ma Ta Las Si Ta No Ma," I am sure Abraham, Israel, Mary, Elizabeth and Jesus himself would have been confused.
 
Good topic. I have to re-read this when I get home. I just remember for the most part being taught that speaking in tongues does not apply to people today. A lot of things that happen in the Bible (speaking in tongues, healings, etc) happened for a reason at that time for a reason. A lot of the jibberish you here in some churches is just that, jibberish. I have also known a former neighbor who attended a church where they "teach" you to speak in tongues. We were also taught that God does not show favortism from one person to another. What I mean by this is when you notice some preachers saying "God told me blah blah" etc or "God spoke to me last night and told me to do blah blah". Or what one woman told me, "God told me that I will be married this year". Did it happen? Nope.

:lmao:

When it comes to issues like this, I take a common sense approach.
 
SLT said:
What's wrong Kema...:lol:


Well, my experiences with this have not been good. Let's just say I probably won't be one of the ones mumbling he's-coming-on-a-honda... I have issues with this belief. This is one item I feel is mistaught, misunderstood, and misconstrued... I will refrain from stating ALL that I feel because IF I am wrong, I don't want to lead anyone else down this path. I just don't believe in this hubbly-bubbly stuff. :lecture:

IN ALL 34 of my years, I have heard a lot of tongue-speakers...but NEVER once had an interpreter. So, this leads me to believe they are all fake. THE SPEAKER might believe it, but ...I digress.
 



This is a long post. I have done my best to stick with the scriptures on this subject. I will try to keep my explanations brief and simple. One thing is for certain: I will not argue with anyone about this. Feel free to disagree with my exegesis. This is a rather lengthy post for me, but you should be able to see that is be cause of he abundance of the passages of scripture and not my explanations of them.

The teaching of the Baptism of/with/by the Holy Ghost originates with with John baptizing in the Jordan River and is supported through the book of Acts.


Luke 3: 16-17
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

John 1:29-33
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Clearly, John was not addressing the 12 that Jesus hand-picked to walk with him...and one of them was "a devil". The translation of the word as "baptizeth" comes from the voicing of the word implying continuum or an ongoing task.


The Holy Ghost, in his fullness, would not be imparted to the believers until Jesus was returned to the glory that He had with the Father.


John 16:7-15
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.

So, even his closest followers had to wait...

Acts 1:4-11
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

...along with his family and friends

Acts 1:14
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

Until...

Acts 2:1-13
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Unlearned Jews speaking in other recognizable languages that those visiting could clearly understand while others doubted and supposed them drunken. They heard the same sounds, but interpreted them differently based on their own perspectives. Peter went on to explain...

Acts 2:14-21
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The lynchpins of the teaching of the baptism in the Holy Ghost with the speaking of other tonges stem from the continuing of the work and that work not being exclusive to the disciples.

Acts 8:14-19
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

Simon believed and was baptized and followed Philip in his itenerant ministry. Many others in Samaria believed, with demons being cast out and such. But, the scripture indicates that they had not receive a particular dispensation of the Holy Ghost. Peter and John were sent for support. After they ministered and laid hands on those believers, those believers recieved the Holy Ghost. How did Simon know when this particular expected dispensation occured?


Acts 10:34-48
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Peter was directed to the house of Cornelius, a Gentile believer. When the gift of the Holy Ghost was poured out, there was a manifestation of another recognizable language in which God was glorified.


Acts 11:15-18
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Again, these were not disciples who had walked with Jesus. These were Gentile converts.

Acts 15:6-11
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of
the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

And it happend again...but with Paul as the minister.

Acts 19:1-7
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper
coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the
Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve.

So, I will testify. Yes, I do speak with other tongues. I have been told that I have spoken
recognizable French, Creole, Chinese, Swahili, and several African dialects. I have interpreted in several languages and been told by those who actually knew the languages that the interpretation was accurate. I know none of those languages. I have laid hands on the sick and injured, and seen them recovered miraculously. I have battled and cast out demonic spirits that had others bound. Additionally, I have spoken in unknown tongues but have chosen not to even address those elements here.

To those of you who have not participated in such activities and would like to, I encourage you to search the scriptures and seek the Lord on that regard. Let Him be the final arbiter. To others who choose not to participate, my encouragement is to simply preach the gospel and win souls to the kingdom - just like we are supposed to do.

I will leave you with this from 1 Corinthians 12:1-11:

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
 
Thank you Lord Jesus....Finally someone on here using scripture truth instead of "what I was taught, or what I think, or what I believe." It's what the BIBLE say. Thank you Dacontinent.
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You know the sad part about this. I made it as plain as day with scripture and you did to. Even though people will read this and see it with their own eyes, there will still be some who will believe a lie. To be baptised in the spirit is to recieve the spirit. All people have to do is read.
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dacontinant...Check your PM
 
SLT said:
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Child, I was not trying to be funny. That is what it sounds like to some. I have read all the scriptures and I have prayed and asked God for revelation. I opened my heart to be receptive. I was in a "big" church here who laid hands on me because I was not speaking that mumbo jumbo...and as much as I was open to receive whatever God wanted me to get, the outcome is the same. This is fake and some interpretations of those scriptures is uh.....wrong.

One thing I do know is that whether I speak it or not, God still loves me and he certainly understands me in plain ol' English. It don't make the tongue-speaker no closer to God than I am. Since it does not make me a bad person to not know...I'll refrain from folks laying hands on me to MAKE me speak it or to teach me to speak. I am finished with folks trying to make that happen for me. As long as I know God hears me in English or in Spanish when I finish learning that language...the rest is moot. :goodbad:
 
Ms. Jag4Jag said:
Child, I was not trying to be funny. That is what it sounds like to some. I have read all the scriptures and I have prayed and asked God for revelation. I opened my heart to be receptive. I was in a "big" church here who laid hands on me because I was not speaking that mumbo jumbo...and as much as I was open to receive whatever God wanted me to get, the outcome is the same. This is fake and some interpretations of those scriptures is uh.....wrong.

Sorry Kema, but it was funny. ;) I had a mental picture of that in my head.

They personally wouldn't have touched me simply because I wasn't talking in tongues. Being that it is a gift, it is not one that I possess. And if it does happen, I promise you that it will be the real thing because I don't speak in tongues normally. Speaking in tongues to me is a something that you and GOD understand ONLY. That is my understanding of an unknown tongue.
 
Vanderbilt University, has a Children Hospital "full" of sick children. There is St Jude in Memphis, Shriners Burn Center, Shriners Hospital for Cripple Children.

Ok! folks who can heal and cast out devils "Get to Work"
 
To those believers who frequent The Prayer Board...

STOP making a mockery of each other. It edifies no one. I encourage us all ask a simple question of ourselves before responding IN THESE FORUMS to a viewpoint that differs from ours: Is the topic of discussion a matter of SALVATION? If it is, bring it on. If not, take it up an e-mail with your brother or sister. Leave smackrunning to the other boards.

The Lord have me a one-word subject last Sunday morning to preach instead of what I had prepared. That subject: PEACE - the first word He said to the gathering of disciples after His resurrection. I am sticking with it.
 
You call it mockery.

To some, it is an opinion.

Speaking in tongues is not a criteria for salvation. If so, MY GOD would have said so.

To those who differ.....if you see my opinion as a mockery, then that's a problem you have to take up with yourself.

I personally don't see why in a high emotional state in some churches, people will begin to spout off things and everybody sound alike.

I believe that speaking in tongue is a one on one conversation with MY LORD.
It is a time alone with MY LORD and I don't have to be in the presence of others, the emotional state is high and people are falling over pews!

And being that I don't possess that gift, my native tongue of English still gives him the highest praise!!!! :bowdown:
 
SLT said:
You call it mockery.

To some, it is an opinion.

Maybe I wasn't quite explicit enough. My reference to mockery is not limited to this thread. It is much bigger than that. I have seen finger-pointing and ridicule in a number of threads. Those kinds of things I classify as mockery. It is not a healthy perspective for Christians in an OPEN FORUM. We are better than that. All that I am saying is that we should hack out our differences between each other. In like manner, when we do repugnant things openly, we should be rebuked openly - as Paul did with Peter. I don't want things to get to that point.

By all means...express your opinions. That IS the beauty of OPEN FORUMS. It is a tremendous way to learn. It is one of the few reasons that I am on TSPN at all. We have some great discussions here. They stimulate me; cause me to dig through the scriptures and have God speak to me in new and exciting ways. It is one of the highlights of my day...

...But, let's just mature both in our walk with the Lord and with each other.
 
dacontinent said:
...But, let's just mature both in our walk with the Lord.

I'm sure many of us are striving everyday to get to this point.

We sometimes stumble, but we do get up.

Some of us are not quite there yet, so please be patient with us...God is not through with us yet. :)


But I do agree with you. ;)
 
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