Are Black Women Scaring Off Their Men?


JSU*Toi

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My co-worker sent this to me...Very Very Long but Very interesting....


Are Black Women Scaring Off Their Men?
(A Fighting Spirit Is Important, But Not At Home)
By: Joy Jones

Have you met this woman? She has a good job, works hard, and earns a
good salary. She went to college, she got her master's degree; she is
intelligent. She is personable, articulate, well read, interested in
everybody and everything. Yet, she's single.

Or maybe you know this one. Active in the church. Faithful, committed,
sings in the choir, serves on the usher board, and attends every
committee meeting. Loves the Lord and knows the Word. You'd think that
with her command of the Scriptures and the respect of her church
members, she'd have a marriage as solid as a rock. But again, no
husband.

Or perhaps you recognize the community activist. She's a black lady, or,
as she prefers, an African American woman, on the move. She sports a
short natural; sometimes cornrow braids, or even dreadlocks. She's an
organizer, a motivator, a dynamo.


Her work for her people speaks for itself--organizing women for
self-help, raising funds for a community cause, educating others around
a new issue in South Africa. Black folks look up to her, and white folks
know she's a force to be reckoned with.

Yet once again, the men leave her alone.

What do these women have in common? They have so much; what is it they
lack? Why is it they may be able to hook a man but can't hold him? The
women puzzle over this quandary themselves. They gather at professional
clubs, at sorority meetings or over coffee at the office and wonder
what's wrong with black men.

They hold special prayer vigils and fast and pray and beg Jesus to send
the men back to church. They find the brothers attending political
strategizing sessions or participating in protests but when it comes
time to go home, the brothers go home to someone else.

I know these women because I am all of these women. And after asking
over and over again "What's wrong with these men?" It finally dawned on
me to ask the question, "What's wrong with us women?" What I have found,
and what many of these women have yet to discover, is that the skills
that make one successful in the church, community or workplace are not
the skills that make one successful in a relationship.

Linear thinking, self-reliance, structured goals and direct action
assist one in getting assignments done, in organizing church or club
activities or in positioning oneself for a raise, but
relationship-building requires different skills. It requires making
decisions that not only gratify you, but satisfy others. It means doing
things that will keep the peace rather than achieve the goal, and
sometimes it means creating the peace in the first place. Maintaining a
harmonious relationship will not always allow you to take the straight
line between two points. You may have to stoop to conquer or yield to
win.

In too many cases, when dealing with men, you will have to sacrifice
being right in order to enjoy being loved. Being acknowledged as the
head of the household is an especially important thing for many black
men, since their manhood is so often actively challenged everywhere
else. Many modern women are so independent, so self-sufficient, so
committed to the cause, to the church, to career or their narrow
concepts that their entire personalities project an "I don't need a man"
message.

So they end up without one.

An interested man may be attracted but he soon discovers that this
sister makes very little space for him in her life. Going to graduate
school is a good goal and an option that previous generations of blacks
have not had. But sometimes the achieving woman will place her boyfriend
so low on her list of priorities that his interest wanes! Between work,
school and homework, she's seldom "there" for him, for the preliminaries
that might develop a commitment to a woman. She's too busy to prepare
him a home-cooked meal or to be a listening ear for his concerns because
she is so occupied with her own.

Soon he uses her only for uncommitted sex since to him she appears
unavailable for anything else. Blind to the part she's playing in the
problem, she ends up thinking, "Men only want one thing." And she
decides she's better off with the degree than the friendship. When she's
45, she may wish she'd set different priorities while she was younger.
It's not just the busy career girl who can't see the forest for the
trees.

A couple I know were having marital troubles. During one argument, the
husband confronted the wife and asked what she thought they should do
about the marriage, what direction they should take. She reached for her
Bible and turned to Ephesians. "I know what Paul says and I know what
Jesus says about marriage," he told her, "What do you say about our
marriage?" Dumbfounded, she could not say anything.

Like so many of us, she could recite the Scriptures but could not apply
them to everyday living. Before the year was out, the husband had filed
for divorce. Women who focus on civil rights or community activism have
vigorous, fighting spirits and are prepared to do whatever, whenever, to
benefit black people. That's good. That's necessary. But it! needs to be
kept in perspective.

It's too easy to save the world and lose your man.

A fighting spirit is important on the battlefield, but a gentler spirit
is wanted on the home front. Too many women are winning the battle and
losing the home. Sometimes in our determined efforts to be strong
believers and hard workers, we contemporary women downplay, denigrate or
simply forget our more traditional feminine attributes.


Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the
ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. Men
enjoy our softness and see it as a way to be in touch with their tender
side, a side they dare not show to other men. A hard-working woman is
good to have on your committee. But when a man goes home, he'd prefer a
loving partner to a hard worker.

It's not an easy transition for the modern black woman to make.

It sounds submissive, reactionary, outmoded, and oppressive. We have
fought so hard for so many things, and rightfully so. We have known so
many men who were shaky, jive and untrustworthy. Yet we must admit that
we are shaky, jive and willful in our own ways. Not having a husband
allows us to do whatever we want, when and how we want to do it. Having
one means we have to share the power and certain points will have to be
surrendered. We are terrified of marriage and commitment, yet dread the
prospect of being single and alone.


Throwing ourselves into work seems to fill the void without posing a
threat. But like any other drug, the escape eventually becomes the cage.
To make the break, we need to do less and "be" more. I am learning to
"be still and know," to be trusting.

I am learning to stop competing with black men and to collaborate with
them, to temper my assertive and aggressive energy with softness and
serenity. I'm not preaching a philosophy of "women be seen and not
heard." But I have come to realize that I, and many of my smart and
independent sisters are out of touch with our feminine center and
therefore out of touch with our men.


About a year ago, I was at an oldies-but-goodies club. As a
Washingtonian, I love to do the bop and to hand dance styles that were
popular when I was a teen. In those dances, the man has his set of steps
and the woman has hers, but the couple is still two partners and must
move together.

On this evening, I was sitting out a record when a thought came to me.
If a man were to say, "I'm going to be in charge and you're going to
follow. I want you to adjust your ways to fit in with mine" I'd dismiss
him as a Neanderthal. With my hand on my hip, I'd tell him that I have
just as much sense as he does and that he can't tell me what to do.

Yet, on the dance floor, I love following a man's lead.

I don't feel inferior because my part is different from his, and I don't
feel I have to prove that I'm just as able to lead as he is. I simply
allow him to take my hand and I go with the flow.

I am still single. I am over 30 and scared. I am still a member of my
church, have no plans to quit my good government job and will continue
to do what I can for my people. I think that I have a healthy
relationship with a good man. But today, I know that I have to bring
some of that spirit of the dance into my relationship.

Dancing solo, I've mastered that.
 



JSU*Toi said:
In too many cases, when dealing with men, you will have to sacrifice
being right in order to enjoy being loved. Being acknowledged as the
head of the household is an especially important thing for many black
men, since their manhood is so often actively challenged everywhere
else. Many modern women are so independent, so self-sufficient, so
committed to the cause, to the church, to career or their narrow
concepts that their entire personalities project an "I don't need a man"
message.

So they end up without one.


:lecture: Message
 
I think that this was a very good read. Because it's true.

As the pastor would say....... "If you can't say Amen, just say OUCH!!"

Personally I already know that I'm so comfortable doing my own thing that whenever I do get married, that's going to take some major adjustments.
 
Men have forgotten how to be men and Women have forgotten how to be Women Kirk Douglas

Really, you don't see that conflict between White women and White Men as you would between Black women and Black men. It's evident in the census on the number of households headed by Black women.I think the majority of African Americans are in "denial" about the causes of the riff between the sexes of African Americans. Causes,#1 cause the lack of a strong father figure for both the young Black male and Black female;that right there is so much of a catalyst of the problems in the Black community.
 
The only common demoninator in a good woman finding a good man seems to me to be the ego-factor. One overblown ego is bad enough, but two is worse. And yes, white women and men have their problems too: divorce, age distribution,etc. Most of the older sistas I run into have just as much ego as......I'm leaving myself open to SLT for this one but oh well.........me. And that's too much. I'm the shat! LOL Seriously, though, the men have to check their egos and the women do too. Your ego won't let you accept love unless it's your way. Natural selection doesn't need ego.
 
JSU*Toi said:
My co-worker sent this to me...Very Very Long but Very interesting....


Are Black Women Scaring Off Their Men?
(A Fighting Spirit Is Important, But Not At Home)
By: Joy Jones

This article is a very good read. I would hope that some people read it more than once and really think about it. I have already seen some responses that suggest to me that no thought went in to what was read. I would really like to elaborate on this article more because I have noticed some missing pieces. But, I want to keep the peace and will not do so. Thanks Toi for presenting this forum with a mentally stimulating article.
 
Actually JROCK I think this is a topic that if women really want to know what the problem is we (men) should give feedback while the women just listen and analyze.

Remember silence is sometimes golden :lecture:
 
bluedog said:
Actually JROCK I think this is a topic that if women really want to know what the problem is we (men) should give feedback while the women just listen and analyze.

Remember silence is sometimes golden :lecture:

I did not say for men not to respond. I meant just me. :lol:

In this forum, women will not "just listen and analyze. :lol: :lmao:

(and you can't take that to the clerk of court and record it) :lol:
 
JROCK said:
I did not say for men not to respond. I meant just me. :lol:

In this forum, women will not "just listen and analyze. :lol: :lmao:

(and you can't take that to the clerk of court and record it) :lol:

*cough* *cough* and there in may lie a small portion of the problem. I may not have been the smartest person in the classroom but I did understand enough to know if I didn't listen.......... I didn't learn. :idea: :winkgrin:

But as men we understand that all to well don't we? :)
 
There may be some truth in the article but this is by no means a one-sided fault issue. Men have added to the raggedy situation. There is a reason women became so independent. And that is:Undependable men. Speaking from experience, depending on an undependable man ain't no joke for anyone involved.

Women may be "different" from the old school but it's men who made us that way. Men made sure of that when the bacon didn't make it to the house, the lights got cut off and disrespect was rampant in the relationship.

How do we mend it? Definitely compromise. Women are bringing a lot to the table and aren't willing to push their own accomplishments to the side so that the man will shine. Maybe he should strive to meet her and accept her where she and together they go forward in high regard for each other.

Yes, I'm saying that more men need to get into the gotdayum game and not sit on the sidelines bytching. And if it's brought right, natural order will resume.

Question for the men: Which do you prefer? The dependable woman hanging onto your every word and obeying you while you foot the bill OR a strong independent woman willing to work with you and who makes you work to keep her?

Just asking cause from another thread doesn't seem like most of ya'll looking to be the Sweet Daddy Mack for nobody. And a working woman ain't gonna take but so much mouth, no matter how good the sex is...
 



J4J said:
Who cares?

I said that before I read the article. I saw alot of myself in the article and alot of my friends.

Linear thinking, self-reliance, structured goals and direct action
assist one in getting assignments done, in organizing church or club
activities or in positioning oneself for a raise, but
relationship-building requires different skills. It requires making
decisions that not only gratify you, but satisfy others. It means doing
things that will keep the peace rather than achieve the goal, and
sometimes it means creating the peace in the first place. Maintaining a
harmonious relationship will not always allow you to take the straight
line between two points. You may have to stoop to conquer or yield to
win.
 
Black women are their own worst enemy. Listening to friends, reading BS magazines, and just trying to be every friggin thing to every friggin body. You have to draw the line somewhere or you will be by your damn self forever.
 
Some Black women just don't get it. But I still love'm though!
I've seen sistahs ego castrate their husband, mates or whatever the relationship is, in public, in the home;even decent brothas who give them respect. Can a Black man be the King Of His Castle like the White man is the King Of His Castle?
 
Personally, I don't even know why this article was even posted, on this board. You will NOT get a good discussion from either side.
 
pbla said:
Some Black women just don't get it. But I still love'm though!
I've seen sistahs ego castrate their husband, mates or whatever the relationship is, in public, in the home;even decent brothas who give them respect. Can a Black man be the King Of His Castle like the White man is the King Of His Castle?


Yep, let him get a white woman.
 
pbla said:
Some Black women just don't get it. But I still love'm though!
I've seen sistahs ego castrate their husband, mates or whatever the relationship is, in public, in the home;even decent brothas who give them respect. Can a Black man be the King Of His Castle like the White man is the King Of His Castle?



:lecture: :bowdown:


You are on point frat.
 
J4J said:
Yep, let him get a white woman.


Whoa!!!!!!!!!!

The thing is that most brothers don't want a white woman. At least most I know don't. I think the "GOOD" brothers out there are saying why do the white women respect their husbands seemingly more than the sisters do even when the sister knows she has a good man. I think there is a lot of resentment from black women who had good father figures and decent relationships. Those are the ones I don't understand. I can understand that sister that grew up in a single parent household and struggled to get where she is. She is going to have somewhat of a chip on her shoulder. But my issue is with the sisters that had it good growing up, had a nurturing father but still want to have an attitude like they have been to hell and back when dealing with a brother.

I think we all have work to do, meaning brothers and sisters need to realize that we have to set aside all the B.S. and work towards better relationships.


Now I am going to do like JROCK and Bluedog.............................. :read:
 
JR: You make a good point, but you are missing one thing.

Some women may have had dad in the home. It did not make him a good dad.

AND

Some women may have had a GOOD dad in the home and does not have an issue stemming from dad. It may have been HER choice in men that made her "bitter". So most people I know going into "self-preservation" mode when they are harmed. Unless they lost all self-esteem, which in that case, she does not preserve self...She's the one that is beat upside the head and everybody BUT her thinks she needs to leave that sorry tired negro....

These are just examples...
 
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