And they say Houston isn't worthy enough


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I agree with TP on this. I think that the SCG should be in Jackson. It's a central location and it's very easy to get to:

7 hours from Houston-the furthest city in the SWAC West.
6 hours from Huntsville- the furthest city in the SWAC East.
And that's going by Mapquest.com estimates. I know they're probably not right.

To get from Huntsville to Houston, by Mapquest computations, is a 12 hour ride. Why would they make a team like AAMU, if they win the SWAC, go 12 hours to Houston when they could go 6 hours to Jackson? Versus Houston, Jackson would save 8 of the 10 SWAC schools time and money (the only 2 exceptions being PVU and Texas Southern). I checked all travel times and it would be a shorter distance to Jackson than to Houston. That's even for SU and Grambling.

I don't think that the SWAC is making a good decision if they are moving the game to Houston. It's going to cause more trouble than it's worth. I think that there should be a central location for the SCG. Jackson is the most viable spot. Plus you can rent Veteran's Stadium and the Coliseum for cheap.
 
Originally posted by TSU/BAMA
Huh. You wanna bet. Don't get me started on the Houston media.

But anyway, it would be nice to see the SCG here in Houston.:D
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I'm well aware of the lack of coverage for TSU. My point is I don't see any significant coverage in Birmingham either unless there's a lot more in print than online.

For football media day, we run to Birmingham every year to ride the coattauls of the SEC media and the most coverage still comes from the Baton Rouge newspaper.

If Houston is showing an interest, hopefully the SWAC will petition media coverage as part of the deal.
 



lousy decision
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And I think I just might puke if I have to hear again how soooo many SWAC alums live in Houston.
Wonder why this hasn't been reflected in big attendance numbers for either of the Texas SWAC schools.
 
I know you guys are totally against Jackson but we have to do what is best for ALL schools involved. I am not saying this becasue I went to JSU but I think that if the game is in Jackson, that a game like GSU vs AAMU would draw more fans because more people can DRIVE!!! You don't need to book plane reservations for a game at the last minute. Put five black folks in the car...fill it up twice and kick it in Jackson. 60K black folk will find something to do.
 
Valid Points

Those who say Houston is out of driving distance for many are right.

Those who say B-Ham is out of touch as far as entertainment value and out of driving distance for many are right.

Those who say the problem with either Houston or Jackson is that there is a potential home field advantage for an "in that city" school are right.

What about Dallas as a venue. It offers a more centralized location than Houston, a greater entertainment draw value than B-ham, and does not have a local school (within 3 hours drive) like Jackson.


Just a thought.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
lousy decision
:tdown:

And I think I just might puke if I have to hear again how soooo many SWAC alums live in Houston.
Wonder why this hasn't been reflected in big attendance numbers for either of the Texas SWAC schools.
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MH, having lived in H-town for 9 years I can tell you that TxSU and PV have endured such low attendence based on the product put on the field and the lack of marketing their programs. I think PV is trying to go in the right direction now. As far as TXSU I don't know.

Houston has potential. One thing the SCG would have going for it will be that it would be a game that will have teams that have won some games and fans in Houston would know its not just another game. I think we can't base the SCG on the attendence that TXSU or PV gets. Its not the same. If Houston markets this right it will be nice. Like the Battle of the Bands. If the SWAC will continue to pay for all the bands to come the folks in Houston will turn out in droves for that event alone. Plus this game will be in December when HS football is winding down. Only the best teams will be left. Meaning probably alot of the "black" HS teams will have been eliminated.

I also don't see why the fans can't come from Alabama or Miss to Houston. SW Airlines fly from B-ham to Houston. And the flight from Jackson to Houston aint but 49 bones each way. I just checked the price for flying between H-town and Bham and its only 227 dollars roundtrip. So getting there aint the issue. For the first SCG, I flew SW to Bham from H-town so why can't the Bama folk fly to Houston?

I would actually like to see the SCG rotate like the Big 12 does their game. Maybe 2 years in Houston, 2 years in Bham, 2 years in Jackson and even though I hate to give NO anything, 2 years there. I don't know if that would work. But at least it would be fair to all the SWAC schools. Of course the bottom line is revenue and that's what will drive where the game will remain. I had no problem with Bham, but would I prefer H-town over Bham? Sure would. Especially if it is going to be done right. I think it can be.Just my 2 cents.
 
Originally posted by JR
MH, having lived in H-town for 9 years I can tell you that TxSU and PV have endured such low attendence based on the product put on the field and the lack of marketing their programs. I think PV is trying to go in the right direction now. As far as TXSU I don't know.

Houston has potential. One thing the SCG would have going for it will be that it would be a game that will have teams that have won some games and fans in Houston would know its not just another game. I think we can't base the SCG on the attendence that TXSU or PV gets. Its not the same. If Houston markets this right it will be nice. Like the Battle of the Bands. If the SWAC will continue to pay for all the bands to come the folks in Houston will turn out in droves for that event alone. Plus this game will be in December when HS football is winding down. Only the best teams will be left. Meaning probably alot of the "black" HS teams will have been eliminated.

I also don't see why the fans can't come from Alabama or Miss to Houston. SW Airlines fly from B-ham to Houston. And the flight from Jackson to Houston aint but 49 bones each way. I just checked the price for flying between H-town and Bham and its only 227 dollars roundtrip. So getting there aint the issue. For the first SCG, I flew SW to Bham from H-town so why can't the Bama folk fly to Houston?

I would actually like to see the SCG rotate like the Big 12 does their game. Maybe 2 years in Houston, 2 years in Bham, 2 years in Jackson and even though I hate to give NO anything, 2 years there. I don't know if that would work. But at least it would be fair to all the SWAC schools. Of course the bottom line is revenue and that's what will drive where the game will remain. I had no problem with Bham, but would I prefer H-town over Bham? Sure would. Especially if it is going to be done right. I think it can be.Just my 2 cents.
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Yeah that would be aight with me having it switched around cities... I have never been to Houston and wouldnt mind visiting. 227 round trip from Birmingham isnt bad. By the time it swings back to Bama, the DOME should be built. Now the BOTB in Birmingham will pull good.. There was a high school BOTB at Legion Field this year with about 17 bands and FAMU, AAMU, and Miles and it pulled in 65,000 at Legion Field. It was the largest BOTB in the country this year, so folks will come out for BOTBs. Jackson could be a good spot also. But honestly, you will see a big pick up in numbers if AAMU or Bama St end up playing SU....GSU just doesnt bring any fans to Legion Field... and fans would come just for the band matchup... GSU people may get offended but people here just dont get up for the name GSU (band wise)
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet

And I think I just might puke if I have to hear again how soooo many SWAC alums live in Houston.
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MH, there are sooo many SWAC alums living the Houston metropolitan area.


Wonder why this hasn't been reflected in big attendance numbers for either of the Texas SWAC schools.
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In terms of football, which Houston area SWAC school has made a serious contention for or had a legitimate run at a SWAC title?

One thing you don't understand is that the Houston Sports Authority is stepping in to market, promote and advertise this event to make it successful.

Come on, thinking our athletic departments do a good job at marketing to our alums let alone alums of other SWAC alums in the Houston area is unmentionable.

On top of that, why should a great majority of Alcorn, Pine Bluff, Valley or Alabama A&M graduates come support Texas Southern or Prairie View on a week in and week out basis if we consistantly are cellar dwellers in our own division? The school doesn't reach out to them so why should a great majority of them reach out to Texas Southern?
 
Originally posted by C-LeB28
MH, there are sooo many SWAC alums living the Houston metropolitan area.
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:lmao::lmao:

ummmm,
:vomit::vomit:



In terms of football, which Houston area SWAC school has made a serious contention for or had a legitimate run at a SWAC title?
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ummm in 2000, wasn't TSU decent (well, until MoBrown exposed you). What was your attendance like then?



On top of that, why should a great majority of Alcorn, Pine Bluff, Valley or Alabama A&M graduates come support Texas Southern or Prairie View
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It doesn't necessarily mean coming to support TxSu or PV, per se. It means they're living in a SWAC city and there are SWAC games being played. And since you mention PB, they were in Houston Saturday, before a whopping 4300 in attendance.

If just a small portion of all these all alums who live in Houston (lol) show up, then both of you would be pulling down much better numbers.

bottom line, If marketed right, the SCG could succeed in Bham
 
Re: Valid Points

Originally posted by DonTiger
Those who say Houston is out of driving distance for many are right.

Those who say B-Ham is out of touch as far as entertainment value and out of driving distance for many are right.

Those who say the problem with either Houston or Jackson is that there is a potential home field advantage for an "in that city" school are right.

What about Dallas as a venue. It offers a more centralized location than Houston, a greater entertainment draw value than B-ham, and does not have a local school (within 3 hours drive) like Jackson.


Just a thought.
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non-cosigning this Tiger.

Dallas isn't SWAC material. The SFC is a venue w/in itself and the game draws well off of it (marketing).
 
Re: Re: Valid Points

Originally posted by Panthro
non-cosigning this Tiger.

Dallas isn't SWAC material. The SFC is a venue w/in itself and the game draws well off of it (marketing).
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What makes Houston "SWAC Material" . Other than the labor day classic, support for SWAC games in Houston is non-existent. Dallas has hosted a classic for several years. Always sold out. Always well publicized and promoted. Always successful. And Dallas SWAC alumni base is enormous. Grambling, J-State, PV, and Southern are well represented among others like Pine Bluff and Alcorn.

Dallas is defintely "SWAC MATERIAL"
 
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Originally posted by DonTiger
What makes Houston "SWAC Material" . Other than the labor day classic, support for SWAC games in Houston is non-existent. Dallas has hosted a classic for several years. Always sold out. Always well publicized and promoted. Always successful. And Dallas SWAC alumni base is enormous. Grambling, J-State, PV, and Southern are well represented among others like Pine Bluff and Alcorn.

Dallas is defintely "SWAC MATERIAL"
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How well was the SWAC BBall tourney attended the years it was in Dallas?

Houston at least deserves a chance. I disagree on the marketing power of the Houston Sports Authority, though. I hardly heard anything about WHERE the Big12 Championship was being played...the week of the game last year. I guess they felt that the game would sell itself.
 
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Originally posted by jag4life
How well was the SWAC BBall tourney attended the years it was in Dallas?
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B-Ball is another story and another issue. SWAC "football" however has been served well by the Dallas Metroplex. Year end and Year out. Dallas is not a home field for any team and I think that's very important as evident by the example the Big-12 has set with it's rotating game. Never in a schools own yard. Always in a big city. I think this example should be examined by the SWAC's leadership.
 
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Originally posted by DonTiger
B-Ball is another story and another issue. SWAC "football" however has been served well by the Dallas Metroplex. Year end and Year out. Dallas is not a home field for any team and I think that's very important as evident by the example the Big-12 has set with it's rotating game. Never in a schools own yard. Always in a big city. I think this example should be examined by the SWAC's leadership.
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The Big12 game has been in Kansas City and San Antonio...that's local for KU and UT...probably a shorter distance than what PV is from Reliant Stadium.
 



Re: Valid Points

Originally posted by DonTiger

What about Dallas as a venue. It offers a more centralized location than Houston, a greater entertainment draw value than B-ham, and does not have a local school (within 3 hours drive) like Jackson.
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Dallas is probably LESS centralized than Houston....and still inconvenient to most teams in the SWAC. And for those talking about JUST 227 round trip...well some people have CHILDREN...who are high school age who might want to go to this event and see the battle of the bands. That could add up to an average of 1000 dollars per household (not including hotels and food) when if it were in Jackson, most people could just drive in and bring the family. I think a domed stadium would be good because of the weather and the playing surface. Then the battle of the bands could be on the same time and you could have 4 bands before the game, two at halftime and 4 after the game. But other than that, I can't see the advantage of Houston....especially since neither state team has won a SWAC title in 40 years.
 
Some people are basing their assumptions off of PV and TxSU games in HOuston, and that is just unfair. Like someone said, bothe teams are consistently at or near the bottom of their division and/or conference (save for TxSU's miracle year the other year, which has proven to be flukish). Most high school games offer better competition than what is put on the field week in and week out. That's why the support is non-existant. People want to see good football and an exciting game. Not a game that is out of reach before you get comfortable in your seat. Neither TxSU or PV really reach out and market Houston as well as they could/should. But we are talking the HSA and SWAC. If they market it right (which I'm hopefully optimistic that they would) people will/would turn out in droves. Add the BOTB and you have an instant draw right there. The 2 teams playing the game 9 times out of 10 have a loyal fan base that will show up with their team playing in the championship. Throw in the fact that you really don't have too think hard to come up with events and things in the city, and you have a natural fit.

ALthough PV and TxSU are SWAC schools in/near the city, it is unfair to attempt to guage the imapct of a SWAC Championship game here versus a PV or TxSU game.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
lousy decision
:tdown:

And I think I just might puke if I have to hear again how soooo many SWAC alums live in Houston.
Wonder why this hasn't been reflected in big attendance numbers for either of the Texas SWAC schools.
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1. THEY DON'T HAVE WINNING TEAMS

2. THEY AREN'T ALL TSU/PV ALUMS

3. ONE OF SU ALUM LARGEST BASE IF NOT LARGEST
 
Re: Re: Valid Points

Originally posted by Tigerpride
Dallas is probably LESS centralized than Houston....and still inconvenient to most teams in the SWAC.

especially since neither state team has won a SWAC title in 40 years.
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I think Dallas is much closer to Grambling, Pine Bluff, Jackson St., Valley, Alcorn, and 'possibly' the Bama Schools too than Houston is. I would say with being closer to 6 out of the 10 SWAC schools would qualify Dallas as a MORE centralized venue.


Love your point about TxSU and PV.
 
Originally posted by bluedog
1. THEY DON'T HAVE WINNING TEAMS

2. THEY AREN'T ALL TSU/PV ALUMS

3. ONE OF SU ALUM LARGEST BASE IF NOT LARGEST
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I think Houston works well for SU and GSU and naturally PV and TxSo. It's not so bad for JSU, Alcorn and Valley either BUT is it highly insensitive for the BAMA's. That is why they hate the idea and you all hate the idea of Bham.
 
alot of those alumni won't come out for odd reasons...for example, when SU had a decent basketball team, their fans still stayed at home despite their "large" alumni base.

when the announcement is made, we'll find out how large some of these alums are in a few months.
 
Re: Re: Valid Points

Originally posted by Tigerpride
I think a domed stadium would be good because of the weather and the playing surface. Then the battle of the bands could be on the same time and you could have 4 bands before the game, two at halftime and 4 after the game.
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I doubt they's allow a BOTB in Reliant before or after a game (even a day or two before or after) because they have a grass surface that they try to keep in top shape. If anything, the BOTB will be in the Astrodome.
 
Man what i'm getting from alabamaian's is not logic but sounding more like hatin, if it's not in B'ham its not going to work.

But than again i guess their thinking is maybe the refs will give them a better deal there. :rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: Re: Valid Points

Originally posted by jag4life
I doubt they's allow a BOTB in Reliant before or after a game (even a day or two before or after) because they have a grass surface that they try to keep in top shape. If anything, the BOTB will be in the Astrodome.
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Still most cities don't have two places for something like that. You also have U of H's stadium. If it were in Jackson, you would only have Memorial. Houston is good because they have several football field available.

..and I THOUGHT Reliant had Astroturf.
 
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