America's Most Dangerous Enemy..........


ROYAL BLUE

ROYAL BLUE

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..........International Bankers.

BEN FRANKLIN - THE TWO BANKING SYSTEMS From the autobiography of Ben Franklin, as reported by Gertrude Coogan in "Money Creators": ...the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.
Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies: "That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry." (Colonial Scrip had no debt or interest attached.


When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. See Jackson's Veto Message to Congress It was then that he made two famous statements: "The Bank is trying to kill me - but I will kill it!" Later he said "If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system - there would be a revolution before morning..."

In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln made a point to discuss the role of Capital and Labor. Significant national issues were, at that time, in the first official speech, immediately after a Presidential Election.
Lincoln spoke on finances and government: "In his First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861, Abraham Lincoln stated: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed, if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights."
President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24-36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands because he didn't want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said "We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had - their own paper money to pay their debts..." Lincoln printed over 400 million "Greenbacks" (debt and interest-free) and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn't like it and wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them, so that the American people would owe tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln's solution made this seem ridiculous. Shortly after Lincoln's death, the government revoked the Greenback law which ended Lincoln's debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted and all currency became interest-bearing, debt instruments, again.

In the year 1865, a statement to Congress, President Abraham Lincoln stated,
'I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the financial institution in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is my greatest foe'.

Later that year President Lincoln was assassinated.:shame:

http://www.kamron.com/economics/people_who_opposed_the_FRB.htm
 
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Otto von Bismark chancellor of Germany 1876 On the 12th of April 1861 this economic war began. Predictably Lincoln, needing money to finance his war effort, went with his secretary of the treasury to New York to apply for the necessary loans. The money changers wishing the Union to fail offered loans at 24% to 36%. Lincoln declined the offer. An old friend of Lincoln's, Colonel Dick Taylor of Chicago was put in charge of solving the problem of how to finance the war. His solution is recorded as this. "Just get Congress to pass a bill authorising the printing of full legal tender treasury notes... and pay your soldiers with them and go ahead and win your war with them also."
Colonel Dick Taylor When Lincoln asked if the people of America would accept the notes Taylor said. "The people or anyone else will not have any choice in the matter, if you make them full legal tender. They will have the full sanction of the government and be just as good as any money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution."
Colonel Dick Taylor Lincoln agreed to try this solution and printed 450 million dollars worth of the new bills using green ink on the back to distinguish them from other notes. "The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers..... The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power."
Abraham Lincoln From this we see that the solution worked so well Lincoln was seriously considering adopting this emergency measure as a permanent policy. This would have been great for everyone except the money changers who quickly realized how dangerous this policy would be for them. They wasted no time in expressing their view in the London Times. Oddly enough, while the article seems to have been designed to discourage this creative financial policy, in its put down we're clearly able to see the policies goodness. "If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." http://www.xat.org/xat/usury.html
 



Is it a coincidence that two popular American Presidents were assassinated months after they introduced interest free currency?

President Lincoln was the first to issue an interest free currency—the Yankee Greenback.

President John F. Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110, paving the first step in revoking the interest charged by the Federal Reserve and issuing currency directly from the U.S. Treasury interest free. The order to print interest free dollars was issued on June 4, 1963. JFK was assassinated on November 22, 1963. http://www.armageddondesk.com/?p=76
 
Can someone tell me why those idiots in Washington refuse to issue our own currency? America is powerful enough to produce its own and could prosper without trading with any nation. Why don't we have our own currency? Are we that d@mn stupid to think we can't intelligently print a debt free currency?
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
..........International Bankers.

BEN FRANKLIN - THE TWO BANKING SYSTEMS From the autobiography of Ben Franklin, as reported by Gertrude Coogan in "Money Creators": ...the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.
Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies: "That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry." (Colonial Scrip had no debt or interest attached.


When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. See Jackson's Veto Message to Congress It was then that he made two famous statements: "The Bank is trying to kill me - but I will kill it!" Later he said "If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system - there would be a revolution before morning..."

In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln made a point to discuss the role of Capital and Labor. Significant national issues were, at that time, in the first official speech, immediately after a Presidential Election.
Lincoln spoke on finances and government: "In his First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861, Abraham Lincoln stated: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed, if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights."
President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24-36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands because he didn't want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said "We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had - their own paper money to pay their debts..." Lincoln printed over 400 million "Greenbacks" (debt and interest-free) and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn't like it and wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them, so that the American people would owe tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln's solution made this seem ridiculous. Shortly after Lincoln's death, the government revoked the Greenback law which ended Lincoln's debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted and all currency became interest-bearing, debt instruments, again.

In the year 1865, a statement to Congress, President Abraham Lincoln stated,
'I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the financial institution in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is my greatest foe'.

Later that year President Lincoln was assassinated.:shame:

http://www.kamron.com/economics/people_who_opposed_the_FRB.htm
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Finally you are posting with some since...
This is the EXACT reason why Abe Lincoln was killed!!!

He turned down the Private bankers Money (which came with huge amounts of interest to the American people....) those bankers were/are J.P Morgan Chase, the Rothschild and Rockefellers *(sp)....

And you are naive if you think the Republican party don't have anything to do with this .... along with the Democratic party...

It's two realities.....

We are too consumed with paying Debts to even imagine what really controlling all of our lives....

When majority of the American people are only worried about paying off debts and worrying about credit scores and trying to get the next worldly thing.... We ain't trying to hear nothing about what really causing us the troubles we have.....

You don't know how much I wish ALL people would just THINK for their selves for just a little and only then the PEOPLE will demand change....


BUT you should have been yelling this even when the Republicans were in charge brah...


the Dems and Repubs..(in Washington... not us PEOPLE...citizens) are in that together.... They laugh and joke off of camera all day long....

WE the people are the only FOOLS arguing back and forth about Democratic and Republican policies...
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
Let me also add this is the reason why I truly believe Obama will never be assassinated. Obama supports the objective of the "International Bankers", and he's done everything they've asked of him.



Obama and the Federal Reserve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij1wDQO6x-0
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RB..

Why you think EVERY presidents since Kennedy haven't been assassinated?!?!

The Federal Reserve aka PRIVATE BANKS aka ROthschilds/J.P. Morgan/Rockefeller..... Controls all of this.... Bush and the FEDERAL RESERVE all master minded 9/11.... which created a REASON for WAR!!!!

With out 9/11 George Bush would have had a hard time trying to sell a war...although we all know he been wanted one with Sadam.... But the Federal Reserve had OTHER purposes...

This alone should make you STOP supporting the Republican party and search for REAL answers... Same with the Dems...

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Let me be sure I understand this. You are suggesting that rather than borrow money we should simply print it?
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Let me be sure I understand this. You are suggesting that rather than borrow money we should simply print it?
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That's what we BEEN doing.....lol


The only reason we are borrowing from China is because we PRINTED TOO much money...
We THINK our Federal Reserve have us at best interest..... well the Federal Reserve is a group of the WEALTHIEST families/banks that control the entire country except for maybe China...

The Federal Reserve is nothing more than a front...

DO you ever ask yourself...."If we are in a deficit, than who in the hell do we owe?"

We owe those who RUN the federal reserve...

They created wars for us to BORROW money from them at high interest rates which cost the AMERICAN people..

Who do you think have all control over the stock market?....
 
You do realize that wealth is not a measure of how much money you have but of how many people have less than you right?

Lets say you have 1 billion dollars. You'd be considered wealthy in America today. What if everyone else suddenly received 1 billion dollars? You'd no longer be wealthy? Why? Because the market would immediately adjust prices to meet what the market can bare which would be a substantially higher amount. In a nutshell the more money in circulation the less valuable it is. What idiot would not raise their prices if they knew you had an infinite supply of money.

So am I missing something in this idea of printing money? Is there some limit? I seem to remember RB discussing the gold standard. I'd think RB was somewhat a libertarian and unless I'm misunderstanding this doesn't fit with that line of thinking at all. If the idea is that we don't have to pay the rest of these countries and can devalue the dollar however we wish we might want to think about the fact that we import dayum near everything and produce nothing now.
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
You do realize that wealth is not a measure of how much money you have but of how many people have less than you right?

Lets say you have 1 billion dollars. You'd be considered wealthy in America today. What if everyone else suddenly received 1 billion dollars? You'd no longer be wealthy? Why? Because the market would immediately adjust prices to meet what the market can bare which would be a substantially higher amount. In a nutshell the more money in circulation the less valuable it is. What idiot would not raise their prices if they knew you had an infinite supply of money.

So am I missing something in this idea of printing money? Is there some limit? I seem to remember RB discussing the gold standard. I'd think RB was somewhat a libertarian and unless I'm misunderstanding this doesn't fit with that line of thinking at all. If the idea is that we don't have to pay the rest of these countries and can devalue the dollar however we wish we might want to think about the fact that we import dayum near everything and produce nothing now.
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lol....I know that man....

What do you think I am calling wealthy?

The families that control the federal reserve are the wealthiest in the world..

I'm not talking no Oprah, Bill Gates, nor Warren Buffet money man...


How much do you think the Rothschilds are worth?

Last I checked it was an estimated 400 trillion....

Rockefellers are worth somewhere around 30 to 40 trillion...

That's an INSANE amount of money brah....
 
Oh yea...I know who you're talkin about. But I'm still trying to understand how we could possibly say screw them and just print money without there being ridiculous inflation. Or are you saying the fact that we are borrowing is the same thing anyway (which it is)?

I agree that we are controlled and hell I think the stock market is an utter joke of artificial rises and falls in prices tied to no sort of intrinsic value whatsoever. Just not seeing how us printing the money is going to work to our long term advantage.
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Oh yea...I know who you're talkin about. But I'm still trying to understand how we could possibly say screw them and just print money without there being ridiculous inflation. Or are you saying the fact that we are borrowing is the same thing anyway (which it is)?

I agree that we are controlled and hell I think the stock market is an utter joke of artificial rises and falls in prices tied to no sort of intrinsic value whatsoever. Just not seeing how us printing the money is going to work to our long term advantage.
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Printing money ain't going to work for the long haul....No one wants to buy up any more of our debt... what will happen is the fall of the dollar...

We will have to partner with the "Federal Reserve" other counter parts.."Europe" and come up with a new currency..
 
SUtrp96 said:
Finally you are posting with some since...
This is the EXACT reason why Abe Lincoln was killed!!!

He turned down the Private bankers Money (which came with huge amounts of interest to the American people....) those bankers were/are J.P Morgan Chase, the Rothschild and Rockefellers *(sp)....

And you are naive if you think the Republican party don't have anything to do with this .... along with the Democratic party...

It's two realities.....

We are too consumed with paying Debts to even imagine what really controlling all of our lives....

When majority of the American people are only worried about paying off debts and worrying about credit scores and trying to get the next worldly thing.... We ain't trying to hear nothing about what really causing us the troubles we have.....

You don't know how much I wish ALL people would just THINK for their selves for just a little and only then the PEOPLE will demand change....


BUT you should have been yelling this even when the Republicans were in charge brah...


the Dems and Repubs..(in Washington... not us PEOPLE...citizens) are in that together.... They laugh and joke off of camera all day long....

WE the people are the only FOOLS arguing back and forth about Democratic and Republican policies...
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Yes, Abe was killed trying to save our country from the financial mess we're in today. Also, Kennedy and other presidents were assassinated for the same reason.

I'm not naive to believe the Republicans don't have a blame in the monetary mess we're in........

SUtrp96, I didn't find out the truth about the "International Bankers" until 3 years ago. Most Americans don't know what we know, and the politicians we elect are not informing the people.

I agree with most of what you stated, however the majority of Republicans and a few Democrats are rebelling against the "International Bankers". Our politicians are slowly waking up, however the people are still ignorant to the real threat in this country..........and racism aint even on the same playing field.
 



SUtrp96 said:
RB..

Why you think EVERY presidents since Kennedy haven't been assassinated?!?!

The Federal Reserve aka PRIVATE BANKS aka ROthschilds/J.P. Morgan/Rockefeller..... Controls all of this.... Bush and the FEDERAL RESERVE all master minded 9/11.... which created a REASON for WAR!!!!

With out 9/11 George Bush would have had a hard time trying to sell a war...although we all know he been wanted one with Sadam.... But the Federal Reserve had OTHER purposes...

This alone should make you STOP supporting the Republican party and search for REAL answers... Same with the Dems...

:tup:
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I don't think Bush or the bankers had something to do with 9/11 due to the bankers owning the world trade centers. I believe we got caught with our pants down. That's what happen when we don't properly give the intelligence agencies what they need to do their job.

As for Bush working with the bankers, yes, I believe he went against the conservative principles on his way out. Having said that, that's no reason for me to give up on my party due to a few bad apples. What needs to happen is a good "clean house", and that will solve the problem.

........and yes, I know the reason why other presidents have not been assassinated. They tried hard to assassinate Reagan because he ignored the FEDS, lowered the interest rates, and was a threat to their system
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Oh yea...I know who you're talkin about. But I'm still trying to understand how we could possibly say screw them and just print money without there being ridiculous inflation. Or are you saying the fact that we are borrowing is the same thing anyway (which it is)?

I agree that we are controlled and hell I think the stock market is an utter joke of artificial rises and falls in prices tied to no sort of intrinsic value whatsoever. Just not seeing how us printing the money is going to work to our long term advantage.
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Brother, did you not read what I posted. I'll post a video so you can better understand how stupid our politicians are.

BEN FRANKLIN - THE TWO BANKING SYSTEMS From the autobiography of Ben Franklin, as reported by Gertrude Coogan in "Money Creators": ...the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.
Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies: "That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry." (Colonial Scrip had no debt or interest attached).


Monetary Reform Talk, 4 09, Part 3- Lincoln's Greenbacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzf3h-63sjk
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
I don't think Bush or the bankers had something to do with 9/11 due to the bankers owning the world trade centers. I believe we got caught with our pants down. That's what happen when we don't properly give the intelligence agencies what they need to do their job.

As for Bush working with the bankers, yes, I believe he went against the conservative principles on his way out. Having said that, that's no reason for me to give up on my party due to a few bad apples. What needs to happen is a good "clean house", and that will solve the problem.

........and yes, I know the reason why other presidents have not been assassinated. They tried hard to assassinate Reagan because he ignored the FEDS, lowered the interest rates, and was a threat to their system
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This is what you not grasping right now and what Rush Limbaugh is failing to inform the people (in short he is FAILING the people by keeping the LEFT vs Right crap going)...

Most of the folk in DC don't care nothing about conservative values until they here the people roaring...

Bush didn't let his values go....Bush belongs to skull and Bones and he is the highest degree mason.....Those people are doing to work for the PRIVATE banks...

They use the words LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE as smoke screens ...

Honestly I hate to see you GET bash for caring about the PEOPLE and I hate to see you BASH folk on here for NOT being a repulican....


We will forever keep in this circle as long as we continue to play within the smoke screens.. LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE WHITE/BLACK....so on and so forth..

And you wearing your republican glasses looking through that smoke screen again if you THINK Bush and the Private bankers had nothing to do with 9/11


The Private BANKERS lean more far LEFT than anything, because the LEFT is who they use to SPEND more money... which mean either 2 things... TAX the people... our TAXES PAY the PRIVATE BANKERS or BORROW money....

They use the Republicans for WAR.... This is when most of the BORROWING accures....(at a high as interest rate)..... WHo you think PAY for that?


It's a well oiled machine up there brah.. and we all would be some damn fools if we continue to fight amoungst ourselves when they people we need to be fighting are those who own the private banks and the people in washington that are pimping us out to them...
 
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BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Oh yea...I know who you're talkin about. But I'm still trying to understand how we could possibly say screw them and just print money without there being ridiculous inflation. Or are you saying the fact that we are borrowing is the same thing anyway (which it is)?

I agree that we are controlled and hell I think the stock market is an utter joke of artificial rises and falls in prices tied to no sort of intrinsic value whatsoever. Just not seeing how us printing the money is going to work to our long term advantage.
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When the colonies had colonial scrips, there was no interest or debt attached to what the people borrowed. When Lincoln printed the green back, there was no interest or debt attached to the money. Lincoln financed an interest and debt free war on American owned currency. Let me say this again, Lincoln financed an entire war on interest/debt free American owned currency. Americans sent kids to college on interest/debt free green backs that Lincoln created. What's my point? There is no logical reason why America should be borrowing money with interest when we could easily print our own interest/debt free currency, and tell the FEDS to "F%$K Off!

Does it not make sense?
 
SUtrp96 said:
This is what you not grasping right now and what Rush Limbaugh is failing to inform the people (in short he is FAILING the people by keeping the LEFT vs Right crap going)...

Most of the folk in DC don't care nothing about conservative values until they here the people roaring...

Bush didn't let his values go....Bush belongs to skull and Bones and he is the highest degree mason.....Those people are doing to work for the PRIVATE banks...

They use the words LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE as smoke screens ...

Honestly I hate to see you GET bash for caring about the PEOPLE and I hate to see you BASH folk on here for NOT being a repulican....


We will forever keep in this circle as long as we continue to play within the smoke screens.. LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE WHITE/BLACK....so on and so forth..

And you wearing your republican glasses looking through that smoke screen again if you THINK Bush and the Private bankers had nothing to do with 9/11


The Private BANKERS lean more far LEFT than anything, because the LEFT is who they use to SPEND more money... which mean either 2 things... TAX the people... our TAXES PAY the PRIVATE BANKERS or BORROW money....

They use the Republicans for WAR.... This is when most of the BORROWING accures....(at a high as interest rate)..... WHo you think PAY for that?


It's a well oiled machine up there brah.. and we all would be some damn fools if we continue to fight amoungst ourselves when they people we need to be fighting are those who own the private banks and the people in washington that are pimping us out to them...
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I vote based on moral issues regardless of party affiliation, so I don't understand your argument. It just so happens the majority of people I vote for happen to be Republican due to their biblical stance. We all fall short of the glory of God, but when you have a group of people willing to boldly defend abortion(murder), and homosexuality; I have a serious problem supporting that when I know God is watching me. That's like a woman telling you she has an STD before you hit it, and you raw dog after she told you she nasty. My point is if you boldly tell me you're for evil and filthy things that go against the word of God, then I simply can't support you as a candidate. I would rather you tell me one thing and do another............lie.
 
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ROYAL BLUE said:
I vote based on moral issues regardless of party affiliation, so I don't understand your argument. It just so happens the majority of people I vote for happen to be Republican due to their biblical stance. We all fall short of the glory of God, but when you have a group of people willing to boldly defend abortion(murder), and homosexuality; I have a serious problem supporting that when I know God is watching me. That's like a woman telling you she has an STD before you hit it, and you raw dog after she told you she nasty. My point is if you boldly tell me you're for evil and filthy things that go against the word of God, then I simply can't support you as a candidate. I would rather you tell me one thing and do another............lie.
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The problem is they only speak on those morals for your VOTE.....

Come on man... you have to see that...
 
SUtrp96 said:
The problem is they only speak on those morals for your VOTE.....

Come on man... you have to see that...
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I'm sorry, God didn't give me the ability to read the minds of human beings, however he did give me common sense to check the fruit of each man. In other words, look at what each politician voted for when it comes to moral/biblical issues. A politician's vote is his fruit, and if his abominable fruit is bold and open for the public to see, then I want no part of it. The word of God tells us to depart from wickedness, and don't support wicked people, or we be partakers of their evil deeds. We are instructed to correct them out of love........the same as we do our kids.
 
I don't think Bush or the bankers had something to do with 9/11 due to the bankers owning the world trade centers.

Yeah, right – and why not? perhaps not the bankers "per se" but someone collected billion of dollars in insurance money.
 
Dr H.. said:
I don't think Bush or the bankers had something to do with 9/11 due to the bankers owning the world trade centers.

Yeah, right – and why not? perhaps not the bankers "per se" but someone collected billion of dollars in insurance money.
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Did you not see what happened to the US Cole? Did you not see what happened to the Pentagon? Did you not see what happened on Christmas day? Why can't people see that we're hated by terrorist who desire to wipe America off the face of the map?

Bush is not a banker, nor does he have a large stake in the insurance company that insured the trade centers and the pentagon. The only thing Bush could do for an insurance company is give them taxpayer dollars.......that's all.
 
What's the best way to get a nation in debt? The best way is to force the government to fund major programs such as, Social Security, Unemployment, Medicare, Health care, HUD, Pell Grants, and other programs that should not be created for able bodies. These programs give the government a reason to raise taxes on the public, and borrow more money from the International Bankers" with high interest attached. Now, open your eyes as to why there is a "huge" push for health care for all Americans. If the health care bill pass, then America will be forced to borrow high interest trillions from the "International Bankers" to pay for the health care. This is another example of bankers creating programs, and forcing our government to pick up the tab. If you are against the programs, they paint you out to be a terrible person. Our politicians should be talking about printing our own interest/debt free currency instead of talking about health care.
 
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