SU Jag 79
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And if our kids continue to run to Big State U, how can the HBCU's get past the past? We get on everyone else about the state of our schools except the main culprits .... US.
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And if our kids continue to run to Big State U, how can the HBCU's get past the past? We get on everyone else about the state of our schools except the main culprits .... US.
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
The main culprits are HBCU institutions...the administration in the athletic dept, the lack of fundraising that leads to athletic facilities, the piss poor coaching, the LACK of NURTURING (there goes that word) for HBCU athletes in comparison to PWIs (Talk to an HBCU athlete and listen to their views)....Look at the negative "we cant do attitude" on this board most of the views on this board this is how most HBCU pres and admins think...What would a Blue chip athlete gain by going to an HBCU? Some of you guys views are from 1980's..
jsupop33
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JR, I was in the program at JSU when Comegy came in and cut half the team in spring training dang near. Some of the players were actually decent but made the mistake of signing during the bell error. I saw a TE walk in about three weeks before the season started and get a starting job, simply because he was from the Big Ten. Coaches at every school in America are judged on one thing primarily, wins and losses. They are going to do whatever they can to get the best talent on the field to win. It is a business. The University will use the star player to sell tickets and put their name in lights. The system is only set up one way and those athletes who don't recognize this, will come out losing every time. No matter if it is an HBCU or PWI.
jsupop33
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Also,
I have heard some interesting stories about visits to SWAC schools from the some of the scouts at our football camp. Stories about coaches not showing up on-time to unlock offices so they can watch game film, sometimes the coaches not showing up at all. Bad equipment, having to watch film in a room with random strangers.
I have heard some interesting stories about visits to SWAC schools from the some of the scouts at our football camp. Stories about coaches not showing up on-time to unlock offices so they can watch game film, sometimes the coaches not showing up at all. Bad equipment, having to watch film in a room with random strangers.
jsupop33
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Also,
I would way more be inclined to send my kid to the SWAC to play basketball than football. In basketball, he will get a chance to play against the best talent and make frequent tv appearances for atleast 2-3 months. Then, if he can lead his team into the NCAA tourney and be successful, he would instantly become a household name.
In football, I believe facilities, strength and conditioning programs, access to supplements, etc play a much bigger role. My hs teammates that went D-1 had access to some facilities, equipment and other stuff I would have dreamed to had. The average college athlete can't afford to go buy a sled, parachute, training shoes, Buckets of Whey Protein, etc... Some of that stuff can make a big difference. It can a get 4.7 to a 4.5 and that could be the difference between going drafted and undrafted.
I would way more be inclined to send my kid to the SWAC to play basketball than football. In basketball, he will get a chance to play against the best talent and make frequent tv appearances for atleast 2-3 months. Then, if he can lead his team into the NCAA tourney and be successful, he would instantly become a household name.
In football, I believe facilities, strength and conditioning programs, access to supplements, etc play a much bigger role. My hs teammates that went D-1 had access to some facilities, equipment and other stuff I would have dreamed to had. The average college athlete can't afford to go buy a sled, parachute, training shoes, Buckets of Whey Protein, etc... Some of that stuff can make a big difference. It can a get 4.7 to a 4.5 and that could be the difference between going drafted and undrafted.
Basketball, baseball, track, golf for sure you get to play against pretty much everyone. Who heard of Davidson before Steph Curry went there and began killing the big programs? Rickey Weeks at SU in baseball did his thing. Or Brian Johnson in track.
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
PREACH Bro!
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
HBCU are their own worst enemy....but as usual someone from this forum will make an excuse that its the white man fault! :smh: :lol:
tweed24
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Them Old Farts
jsupop33
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We are saying the same thing with basketball, I forgot about baseball and track. I don't believe the disparity is that great in the minor sports either.
My main point is that there are way more factors involved in the development of a football player, and athletes know this stuff. I agree that superstars will shine wherever but there is something to be said about a good SC program that can take a 220 College freshmen and turn him into a 275 lb defensive end, running a 4.5 by his senior year.
I was reading something a while back about how all of the pro's from Miami used to go back in the summer and workout with the players. There is something to be said about things like that. The more I read some the posters on this forum's posts, the more I realize that the majority of the posters on here really do not understand the inter-workings of college athletics and/or athletic development. We always talk about coaching, but we never talk about the offseason programs and etc. I worked out with Jaymar Johnson and Albert Stinson (both would eventually sign with Vikings, Stinson failed physical because of old injuries) in the summer of 2006 and those cats bought a bunch of their own equipment. Some schools videotape each player's workout everyday and makes them study film of themselves lifting and running.
Again, my son will be exposed to JSU from jump but the decision is his. I am just pointing out that wayyy more factors play into football than other sports.
jsupop33
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First and foremost, Jackson State, since most of us at the camp, went to JSU. Most of the stories were from JSU. Also, they mentioned going to UAPB and coaches being there. Grambling was another one he said, he was stuck waiting at.
I can't remember where he said he had to share the room at but again, my school was the biggest culprit.
unknown
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This is BS for quite a few reasons. One, football is a TEAM sport and doesn't necessarily mean if you're good youll get found. If you're a tailback and you're running behind a SWAC offensive line, (And i'm not talking about a JSU line in the 70s or 80s) you're NOT as likely to shine as you are running behind an Alabama line. And you all keep referencing players of the OLD days, the thing is...you aren't getting the McNairs anymore. You aren't getting the players on the line that blocked for McNair anymore. You aren't getting the receivers he threw to either. Now if you're notice, for the most part the few players that DO get drafted these days are from positions like defensive line and DE because they can pretty much register sacks on their own. But if i'm a receiver, saying that i'm as likely to shine with UAPB's QB throwing to me as I am with RG3 throwing to me is just ridiculous.
I feel you to an extent, but a cat like Mario Louis didn't get drafted, but has been highly spoken of by Texans coaches, and he is in OTAs catching passes from an UNDRAFTED Case Keenum, whose receivers didn't get drafted either. Those receivers got a lotofshine but still didn't get drafted and are in the same boat as those record setters from UH.
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
What year was that?
14 years ago.
JR
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LOL @ Cee. Driver definitely made it the hard way. Gotta to give him his due. One of my favorite players in the NFL. But McNair although he was gone from Alcorn helped bring some recognition to their program. I think when Driver was at Alcorn, the SWAC was kicking some arse with teams. Pete had SU always ranked. JSU had that nice squad of players that eventually got 2 people picked in the NFL. Grambling had some players that got some run too during Doug's first years. I think NFL scouts will find the skill position players like WR and DBs at the FCS level more likely than other positions.
I think what has not been said here is how you and your child go about making the right college decision if they are a blue chip athlete with all kinds of offers.
I would say you need to sit down and discuss the academics first. If your kid is super smart and disciplined. Then you know he is not going to have a problem with any school. So you then look at what he wants to major in and what career he wants when playing ball is over with. Then you see what schools HBCU or PWC have the best programs in his major that also put him with the right connections in whatever industry he wants to be in after the fact. If a kid wants to be an Electrical Engineer, he wouldn't just go to any HBCU or say he wouldn't go to play for Doug at Gram since they don't have that program. He would have to line up AAMU, PV, and SU in the SWAC that have ABET accredited Engineering programs for example. For a PWC he would look at the better programs at those schools too.
Then the next thing you need to find out is what coaches and staff you and him feel comfortable with that will allow him to grow on and off the field. What campuses have the best feel to it. He has to know he can come in and have a fair chance of playing and not sitting behind 5 blue chip athletes at his position. So you would think that evaluation on what school is best for him to get on the field, excel in the classroom with the right major and where he feels comfortable being. That is what you have to look for with your kid.
You expose your kid to all avenues not pushing one over the other. But just being honest on what the pros and cons of going to a big PWC vs a HBCU or even a FCS level PWC. You treat the whole experience like a business. As a matter of fact, it will be your kid's first big BUSINESS decision they make. You have to take the emotion out of it. I know it would be hard for me if my son said I am going to Ole Miss or Ms State. I probably would roll up and die right then. LOL. But you better believe he will have heard all the pros and cons about them schools from me. Of course knowing me, I will be pushing the Annapolis first over everybody anyway. Be the next David Robinson or Napoleon McCallum.
96lioness
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TRUTH!
It's amazing how a lot of Black athletes will use the excuse at how HBCUs didn't go after them or try to recruit them; yet these pwc's and even the NFL will go after talent regardless of where the kid plays. The way I see it, if the kid has blue chip talent and wants to play for an HBCU, don't wait on them to come after you, YOU GO AFTER THEM!
But different strokes for different folks.....
SU Jag 79
Jaguar ALUM
Okay ... explain Brett Favre at USM ... not exactly a powerhouse at the time. What about Big Ben at Miami-Ohio? Not a big name school. Hell, WE know about those schools because of those guys NOW. And how do you explain the Big State U kids who get cut in favor of a directional school player? The school matters, but that is far from the most important thing. If you can play the game, the NFL will seek you out, period. If that's the case and this is who I think it is, how did Tavaris get his shot? Why would any kid come to Georgia State when Tech and Georgia are right there?
Your point makes little sense.
SU Jag 79
Jaguar ALUM
RG3 is a talent .... he was BEFORE he got to Baylor too and he would have been one at Texas, Baylor, Texas Southern, etc. If he played at Georgia State when you were there, still think you would have got your "shine" on with him there?
JR
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A lot of those kids have no clue about HBCUs. Seriously. I talked to regular students in Minneapolis who have no clue about many HBCUs. They may have heard bits and pieces of this. Like I said, I think most of you think like a HBCU grad/ parent that you are. Those kids come from different type households where the single parent in most cases is hoping to cash in on their kids stardom. A lot of these blue chip kids do not have that kind of guidance that you provided your daughters and you best believe no kid when they are highly recruited is going to go call some school to come visit. They don't even do that with the big schools. You hear kids say all the time, that such and such didn't recruit me. I will use the Steelers WR Antonio Brown. He was on NFL network during the season and talking about how no school but Central Michigan recruited him. So that's how he ended up there. Everyone wants to feel wanted. I would feel the same way. Especially if you are a blue chip kid. Antonio Brown was not a blue chip kid so he probably should have been calling folks. LOL. But if you are Lebron James or Kobe Bryant coming out of HS and can't play in the pro's right away, you already know those kids are not going to call your schools. But if I am a basketball coach at Southern. I put in the call to Lebron or Kobe just to see. I wouldn't waste a lot of time on the kid if they are not showing interest. But our schools got to stop being lazy expecting kids to call them. The least you can do is send a letter with your card and some information.
I know we don't have big recruiting budgets but we still can do some things to recruit. The only folks I have a heartburn with is when you have a HBCU grad who will not let his kid even visit his alma mater or another HBCU during recruiting. I would at least do that as a parent. Like TBF says all the time, at least have the hat up there when you are picking the school. But for a blue chip kid to have to call some school to reach out to them is crazy to me. I don't care if it is a PWC or HBCU. I wouldn't be begging for any school to take a look at me if I am a blue chip kid that everyone knows about. What's worse is when our schools know we have an alum who has a kid that is highly touted but don't reach out and take for granted that the kid or the parents should reach out to them. You best believe those big schools do not take that for granted just because the kid has parents that went there that those parents will do the calling. They will reach out to make sure that kid keeps them in mind and try to use their parent being an alum as leverage.
BTW, the NFL has become less and less impressed with FCS level talent. Even the PWC FCS schools are not getting kids drafted like they used to. It has become more and more about FBS ball. Every year it looks like the FCS schools are getting less and less drafted players unless they land a kid like the Janoris Jenkins kid that ended up at North Alabama because he got kicked out Florida. The system is started to slight the small schools even if they are PWCs.