A look at SWAC budgets reveal


Mr. Tiger

Mr. Tiger

Mr. T
I was searching the internet and ran across a website that shows the athletic budgets and revenue for every school in the country. A look at the budget numbers show that the SWAC has a lot of work to do to keep up with the MEAC. And Valley's budget is downright pitiful. How can the SWAC even compete if you look at these figures.

Click here for more info http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/Search.asp

7/1/2004-6/30/2005

Expenses/Budget
Miss. Valley $1,459,913 :(
Alcorn State $3,184,062 :(
Prairie View $3,415,877 :(
Grambling State $3,724,567 :(
Alabama A&M $4,573,721 :(
Texas Southern $4,329,504 :(
Jackson State $5,196,627
Alabama State $5,284,894
Southern Univ. $6,234,681

Morgan State $5,171,184
South Carolina St. $5,639,034
Norfolk State $5,754,713
Hampton $6,157,973
North Carolina A&T $6,426,275
Delaware State $6,480,115
Bethune Cookman $7,459,617
Howard $8,497,919
Florida A&M $10,392,039
 
Budgets are for planning purposes and are reported as such, but the real numbers must indicate how much did each school spend on athletics. Why is everything always blamed on the SWAC? I don't recall hearing of anyone working at our schools not getting paid or missed a scheduled athletic contest because of lack of funds.
 



Mr. Tiger said:
I was searching the internet and ran across a website that shows the athletic budgets and revenue for every school in the country. A look at the budget numbers show that the SWAC has a lot of work to do to keep up with the MEAC. And Valley's budget is downright pitiful. How can the SWAC even compete if you look at these figures.

Click here for more info http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/Search.asp

7/1/2004-6/30/2005

Expenses/Budget
Miss. Valley $1,459,913 :(
Alcorn State $3,184,062 :(
Prairie View $3,415,877 :(
Grambling State $3,724,567 :(
Alabama A&M $4,573,721 :(
Texas Southern $4,329,504 :(
Jackson State $5,196,627
Alabama State $5,284,894
Southern Univ. $6,234,681

Morgan State $5,171,184
South Carolina St. $5,639,034
Norfolk State $5,754,713
Hampton $6,157,973
North Carolina A&T $6,426,275
Delaware State $6,480,115
Bethune Cookman $7,459,617
Howard $8,497,919
Florida A&M $10,392,039
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How much does each school report for income/revenue?..can't have expenses/expenditures without sources of revenue...

That's the true marker of an athletic department. The net gain/loss.
 
It's not all about how much you spend.

Tennessee State University Grand Total Expenses $12,433,938

If it was how much you spent no HBCU would be able to compete with us.
 
tsutiger said:
It's not all about how much you spend.

Tennessee State University Grand Total Expenses $12,433,938

If it was how much you spent no HBCU would be able to compete with us.
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Are you spending within NCAA Rules?

I agree it is about how much you spend.
 
Re: A look at SWAC budgets

Of course, money isn't everything. You have to have good leadership from top school adminstrators and the athletic department and you have to have good coaching. But without money your program can't grow. So I believe these numbers show that the MEAC may have more growth potential than the SWAC because the only way to hire good coaches and expand or update facilities is to spend money.
 
A budget is a forcasted cost of what you will spend....what you must ask yourself is this:

Is spending on more...better than spending less on quality?
 
Take into account that scholarships make up most of those numbers so if it cost more to go to a particular school over another then that would give the impression that the more expensive school is spending more when it isn't necessarily the case. It may just be a matter of the scholarships cost more and they aren't putting funds into the rest of the program. For example, Howard has the second biggest budget yet most people know they aren't spending money equivalent to the needs that their athletic department has. You can even make an arguement over the region in which the school is located is impacting the cost. Most MEAC schools are in state's where cost of living is much higher than the locales of SWAC institutions. That would also play into the increase cost. Just my opinion...
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
Take into account that scholarships make up most of those numbers so if it cost more to go to a particular school over another then that would give the impression that the more expensive school is spending more when it isn't necessarily the case. It may just be a matter of the scholarships cost more and they aren't putting funds into the rest of the program. For example, Howard has the second biggest budget yet most people know they aren't spending money equivalent to the needs that their athletic department has. You can even make an arguement over the region in which the school is located is impacting the cost. Most MEAC schools are in state's where cost of living is much higher than the locales of SWAC institutions. That would also play into the increase cost. Just my opinion...
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This is a valid point.........
 
One should also factor in the travel associated with institutions participating in athletics as members of the MEAC (air travel) would significantly inflate the expenses and expenditures.
 



Dr. Sweet NUPE,

Enrollment is the key to all of this.
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True!!

Nearly seventy percent (69%) of our budget (2nd smallest budget in 2004 $2,975,000 in the SWAC only behind Mississippi Valley State University) comes from our student?s athletic fee. So the larger the institution's enrollment, then usually the larger the athletic budget. The students voted to increase this fee and the president removed the initial auxiliary and interest income that was previous used to supplement the athletic budget.

So, we are right back were we started from in terms of generating revenue. Only twenty-seven percent (27%) about $804,100 of our athletic budget is generated from revenue realized through tickets sales and sponsorships (i.e. Labor Day Classic and State Fair Classic).
 
But even if you take into account everything people have brought up, Valley and Alcorn's budget still isn't pretty. And remember the good doctor makes just $75,000 at Alcorn.

:topic: I hear that Georgia Southern's new coach is making $200,000 and will be paid another $200,000 by a group of businessmen. That's $400,000 a year :eek:
 
Indeed... That's very interesting. So, it seems as the President at PV wants to mantain status quo. Not saying that there isn't progress but there could be more or should I say faster progress.

Travel is big. Thanks for reminding me of that one. It's why I'm a huge proponent of bringing two other schools and splitting into two 6 school divisions. My favorite additions being Tuskegee and Tennessee State. That alone would decrease budget constants for travel and also allow for better scheduling opportunities for all parties.
 
Some of thoese numbers on that site looks suspect
According to that site, MVSU only has 10 assistant coaches in its ENTIRE athletic program whereas SU has 28. Valley's number can't be correct... not sure what else is wrong
 
GRAM4LIFE,

Indeed... That's very interesting. So, it seems as the President at PV wants to mantain status quo. Not saying that there isn't progress but there could be more or should I say faster progress.
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Dr. Wright believes that athletics is the window to the university, but he also firmly believes it is the job of the alums to support athletics (he looking at the U of Texas and Texas A & M U models "?"). So he is not very comfortable with spending auxiliary funds or interest income when he believes the academic professors' salaries need to be increased as well as getting Prairie View A & M tenured tract together.

I am not in major conflict with that philosophy parse (doctoral leadership student), but I feel Dr Wright has to become a better organizer of pushing the information and structure of alumni organizations (and booster groups). There is also a problem that unlike any other school in Texas, Prairie View does not have the legislative authority to increase student athletic fees with out the vote and support of the student body.

Our athletic fees are currently the lowest in the state and in the SWAC along with academic fees, as well (they were recently increased this past semester). So yes the progress of increasing athletic competitiveness in our football program will be slower in my opinion and the athletic operating budget will naturally be slow process.

Travel is big. Thanks for reminding me of that one. It's why I'm a huge proponent of bringing two other schools and splitting into two 6 school divisions. My favorite additions being Tuskegee and Tennessee State. That alone would decrease budget constants for travel and also allow for better scheduling opportunities for all parties.
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Exactly!! I have completed a ?A Study On The Feasibility Cost-Analysis Management, and Risk Management On Expansion Of The SWAC? with two additional institutions along with analyzing various combinations of either Division I-AA/Division I Tennessee State, Florida A & M, and/or Bethune-Cookman or Division II Tuskegee, Langston, Clark-Atlanta. The study reviewed among other items 1) decreasing athletic department expenditures; 2) increase quality of the SWAC conferences marketability: a) branding merchandising, b) broadcasting rights, c) academic doctoral/research funding; and 3) creating a greater alliance between academic and athletics peers.

The study did not advocate between the mix of bringing in a combination of a Division I-AA/Division I and Division II schools. The reclassification process of the two separate NCAA level programs, showed a great deal of difficult.

I have done a relative similar study for my doctoral correlational methods class regarding SWAC exspansion using correlations and multiple regressions test on attendance. My next study I plan to compare academic standards, based on recognition from Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching 2000
 
Jag Voice said:
Some of thoese numbers on that site looks suspect
According to that site, MVSU only has 10 assistant coaches in its ENTIRE athletic program whereas SU has 28. Valley's number can't be correct... not sure what else is wrong
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You want to get the correct numbers....go to any public library in each of the states and it will be provided. The issue is there keys to budgets which the athletic programs no matter how much money they recieve cannot cover, especially schools who have NO significant bowls.

None of the schools listed above are eligible to go to ANY bowl game. Nor does ANY of the schools above get the numbers that I-A schools recieve. How many games does any HBCU get a 50K crowd....EVERY game....NONE. You show me one that does...I'll show you a liar.

We are HBCU's...and most of our finances come from Endowments, enrollment, and grants. Our atheletics pull in some funds but in my opinion are a small amount.

A budget is an estimate of what you plan on spending...and SPENDING is the key word. East Coast schools naturally have larger budgets because of location. Larger military bases for research, closer to the policy makers, and the ability to and I sadly say...LOBBY Congress....which is sickening to me.
 
Jag Voice,

Some of thoese numbers on that site looks suspect
According to that site, MVSU only has 10 assistant coaches in its ENTIRE athletic program whereas SU has 28. Valley's number can't be correct... not sure what else is wrong.
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That is the difficulty comparing these numbers. There is a specific criteria on reporting the statistics and information. Valley's assisants maybe professors, as well so they may have not attributed them to the athletic budget, while others school while some may instructors, as well SU may have still decided to use them as cost against the athletic budget. There isn't any consistency in reporting the numbers.
 
Mr. Tiger said:
I hear that Georgia Southern's new coach is making $200,000 and will be paid another $200,000 by a group of businessmen. That's $400,000 a year :eek:
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From the reports in the AJC, I took it to mean that the boosters were supplementing his salary, bringing it to a total of 200K a year.

btw, speaking of budgets and GaSou :lol: , this is from today's paper


Ga. Southern keeps it close
Budget constraints limit search for players to Georgia

By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 12/19/05
While Division I-A schools spend about the gross national product of a small nation on recruiting, new Georgia Southern coach Brian VanGorder has a $36,000 budget to woo players to Statesboro.

By comparison, Georgia Tech budgeted $556,703 for its 2004-05 football recruiting.


"I'd love to have more," GSU athletics director Sam Baker said. "We've been able to put out some good teams and recruit some good football players with that budget."

The Eagles' roster is made up of mostly in-state players, with a few Florida players sprinkled in. To help cut recruiting costs, the school uses gift-in-kind hotel rooms and meals with local businesses.

"The good thing is you can recruit, as we have over the years, an outstanding football team," Baker said. "There are a lot of great players in the state of Georgia. You don't have to go as far and wide."

The school doesn't expect its recruiting efforts to be hurt by VanGorder's decision to stay with the Jacksonville Jaguars, where he's in his first season as linebackers coach, through the end of the NFL season.

GSU plans to follow the transition plan that Charlie Weis committed to when he accepted the Notre Dame job and stayed on to coach the Patriots' offense through the Super Bowl last season.

"[VanGorder] is going to slip into town for a day or two at times," Baker said. "We're lucky that we're so close to each other."

VanGorder, who was Georgia's defensive coordinator for four seasons, is expected to name assistant coaches this week.
 
Re: A look at SWAC budgets

Mr. Tiger said:
Of course, money isn't everything. You have to have good leadership from top school adminstrators and the athletic department and you have to have good coaching. But without money your program can't grow. So I believe these numbers show that the MEAC may have more growth potential than the SWAC because the only way to hire good coaches and expand or update facilities is to spend money.
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Things cost way more in MEAC instituional locations, than it does in Louisiana, Miss. Bama and Texas. Some of that cost is because they can charge and get paid more just for asking.:nod:
 
Re: A look at SWAC budgets

Valley's coaches is accurate......remember, the assistant women's hoops coach is the head volleyball coach and the assistant volleyball coach is the women's head basketball coach. The tennis coach is the assistant football coach.

as for PV, when your leadership team hails from a school where there was no football and the bottom line is watch every dollar, your never going to do more than status quo
 
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