What do y'all think is wrong with "inner city" schools and...

[JAG89]

Although some of it is a learning behavior most of it isn't. Genes are passed on from one to another. If your parents had learning disabilities and never got help its very difficult for the child they produce not to have it because the parents don't see it as a problem.

What you just explained is generational of LEARNED behavior. It has nothing to do with genetic, which some (White people in particular) would like to believe. Learning disabilities primarily occur in those that were raised in poor environments. If you associate genetics with learning, you are saying Black children are born with learning disabilities, which supports racist psychology theories that a Black child's IQ is lower than a White child's IQ due to genetics. As I previously stated, a 'inner city' teacher would have to be a clinical psychiatrist in order to understand the learning disabilities of 'inner city' kids due to the bad environments they are being raised in. As the old saying goes, "In order to solve a problem, you first have to recognize the problem, otherwise you are just part of the problem".

 

[unknown1]

Man, some kids used to joke on me for being smart and I used to look at these dudes like, yall think it is cool that you can't spell at this age?

That's a much larger problem than a lot of kids being special ed. I don't know where dude pulled that from lol. Every school district has to deal with learning disabilities... that's definitely nowhere near the major reason for the failure of inner city school systems.

 

[JAG89]

Yes. When you are dealing with kids that have learning disabilities example of a 17 year old child in the 9th grade reading on a 3rd grade level and a 16 year old female reading on a 1st grade level in the 11th grade you're going to get issues in the classroom. The thing is most of these kids end up having babies and that child ends up with the same learning disabilities.

I still don't see the genetics in what you just explained.

 

[JAG89]

What people have to realize, kids growing up in the 'inner city' are living in somewhat of a fake reality from the start. Most of them barely know the basic process of how food gets to their tables. All they see is mommy or daddy going to some grocery store and coming back with bags of groceries. They fail to see the complete industry of farming, which also involves the transportation of goods and services. IMO, Flint, MI was a good reality check for a lot people that live there. I'm sure a lot people in Flint MI have recently gotten involved in the complete process of how clean water is distributed to their homes. This is why outreach programs are so vital, to help kids come out of some fake world that was created in their minds into reality.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

What people have to realize, kids growing up in the 'inner city' are living in somewhat of a fake reality from the start. Most of them barely know the basic process of how food gets to their tables. All they see is mommy or daddy going to some grocery store and coming back with bags of groceries. They fail to see the complete industry of farming, which also involves the transportation of goods and services. IMO, Flint, MI was a good reality check for a lot people that live there. I'm sure a lot people in Flint MI have recently gotten involved in the complete process of how clean water is distributed to their homes. This is why outreach programs are so vital, to help kids come out of some fake world that was created in their minds into reality.

WTF.

Those kids in impoverished areas of cities are living in environments that are the most authentic realities than most of us have lived in, or will ever, experience. And a reality that many of us want don't even want to acknowledge even exists and try our damnest to not be part of.

 

[JAG89]

WTF.

Those kids in impoverished areas of cities are living in environments that are the most authentic realities than most of us have lived in, or will ever, experience. And a reality that many of us want don't even want to acknowledge even exists and try our damnest to not be part of.

You do realize I'm not talking about the realities of HARD TIMES or STREET HUSTLING. Although it might be their (inner city kids) reality in this world, what you just stated proves that 'inner city' kids spend way too much time trying to understand something that is totally different than what they are supposed learn in school. And you are right, I have no interest in living a life of street hustling. That type of life style is what we are trying to get 'inner city' kids away from. But what I'm really talking about are the realities of economic independency, where people understand the processes of how most things are done economically from top to bottom. This is why most White kids are sent to summer camps during summer months and away from the 'inner city'. And later on in life, most of them are required to do missionary work in some third world country. Mormon kids are required to do 2 years of missionary work prior to starting college. Missionary work provides them the ability to put in practice what they have learned in school over the years.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

You just like to hear yourself talk, I see.

 

[JAG89]

And I see you like doing the same (hearing yourself talk), especially with your 'inner city' real life mess that keeps 'inner city' kids from understanding how to compete on a global level. And with people like yourself, it's no wonder why we can't get 'inner city' kids to think any different. I'll never teach my kids the street hustling lifestyle. IMO, street hustling only teaches people a lifestyle of economic dependency (in need others to survive) instead of a lifestyle of economic independency. And if you knew anything about cities, you would know that they (cities) are not NATURAL. Basically, cities are artificial environments created by humans that allow people to depend on others. And by the way, if the lifestyle of the 'inner city' wasn't a problem, I guess we wouldn't be having this discussion. I suggest you read the title of this thread again.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

Nobody is advocating for street hustling.

Your arguments through this entire thread are frustratingly disjointed, though.

Good day.

 

[JAG89]

So what is your solution to the 'inner city' school problem??? I guess your only reason for being here is to pick others apart, which is not only frustrating, but validates the fact that their are those who rather complain about what others are trying to do. And as for advocating for street hustling, you still have yet to define what you meant by authentic realities in the 'inner city'.

Now you have a good...

 

[CEE DOG]

The problem is I live in reality. I have been tutoring and working with kids in Huntsville school system for 20 years. All the kids I see in Huntsville who kill and are crime stoppers were in special education classes mostly. Those kids had children and some are teenagers now and guess what they are in those same special education classes. I can go back to me growing up in Bank head Courts, my friends from the Bluff, Herndon Home, JohnHope Homes, Eagon Homes , Perry Homes, Mechanics Ville. All those folks who couldn't read, write, that's 18-40 living in a world where they wouldn't recognize their own names on paper. They all Rob, kill, steal and sell dope. Their kids do or did the same thing. Every thing is not written in a text book. It's reality. I don't expect a person that never lived a certain life to understand. In I don't even try to get them to understand. They understand though when that young person sticks that steel plated pistol in their backs though.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

So what is your solution to the 'inner city' school problem??? I guess your only reason for being here is to pick others apart, which is not only frustrating, but validates the fact that their are those who rather complain about what others are trying to do. And as for advocating for street hustling, you still have yet to define what you meant by authentic realities in the 'inner city'.

Now you have a good...

Authentic realities of the people you're talking about involve poverty, government neglect, marginalization, violence, PTSD and economic depression.

That's the reality lots of kids face every single day. And these factors impact how they approach and/or value school and education.

To "fix" inner city schools, there must be an investment in them at the state and local level. We don't understand that property taxes help fund these schools.

And the kids we're talking about live in areas where property taxes are low to contribute to that funding.

Lack of resources hinder students from receiving a quality education.

Not to mention how the public school system more racially segregated than ever, which leads to pre-conditioning.

The issues are multi-faceted and there is no magic bullet to solve the problems that plague these schools.

 

[JAG89]

The problem is I live in reality. I have been tutoring and working with kids in Huntsville school system for 20 years. All the kids I see in Huntsville who kill and are crime stoppers were in special education classes mostly. Those kids had children and some are teenagers now and guess what they are in those same special education classes. I can go back to me growing up in Bank head Courts, my friends from the Bluff, Herndon Home, JohnHope Homes, Eagon Homes , Perry Homes, Mechanics Ville. All those folks who couldn't read, write, that's 18-40 living in a world where they wouldn't recognize their own names on paper. They all Rob, kill, steal and sell dope. Their kids do or did the same thing. Every thing is not written in a text book. It's reality. I don't expect a person that never lived a certain life to understand. In I don't even try to get them to understand. They understand though when that young person sticks that steel plated pistol in their backs though.

Although I agree with you on most of what you just said, it's still a LEARNED BEHAVIOR handed down from the previous generations. The solution is to get the next generation to think different, which as we see is not an easy task.

 

[JAG89]

Authentic realities of the people you're talking about involve poverty, government neglect, marginalization, violence, PTSD and economic depression.

That's the reality lots of kids face every single day. And these factors impact how they approach and/or value school and education.

To "fix" inner city schools, there must be an investment in them at the state and local level. We don't understand that property taxes help fund these schools.

And the kids we're talking about live in areas where property taxes are low to contribute to that funding.

Lack of resources hinder students from receiving a quality education.

Not to mention how the public school system more racially segregated than ever, which leads to pre-conditioning.

The issues are multi-faceted and there is no magic bullet to solve the problems that plague these schools.

Now we are getting somewhere. So we can agree that kids in 'inner city' schools live in precarious environments (inner cities) that attributes to most of their failures in school. I guess it is our mission to go above and beyond the call of duty to try to get them to think different in order for them to achieve higher in academics. Like you said, the issues are multi-faceted and there's really not one simple or easy solution. IMO, 'inner city' teachers would also have to be clinical psychiatrists to successfully reach a vast number of 'inner city' kids. But as you stated, 'inner city' schools do not receive enough funding for that to happen.