SU APR Situation


southsuburbs said:
Sounds like an APR issue to me. :noidea: Maybe not a current APR issue but it's still sounds like APR to me.

So there was a vote on Monday on SU's situation, specifically...or the (stupid ass) SWAC ban overall?

Does anyone know who the President was that voted no?
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It was Grambling since they voted for us to play in Jackson for that 1 year, we voting against everybody....J/k it was prolly Bama State, they have the most to gain
 
Robber said:
I have a question. Do the winners of the SWAC Indoor championships advance to some NCAA sponsored post-season event??? Also, if the NCAA says you're ineligible, how can a conference override that decision???
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You have to run a qualifying time to make the NCAA National Championship. Just because you are the conference champion, you may not have met the required time/distance standards.

For example, you can run a qualifying time the very first track meet of the season and then get injured and not even run in the conference championship meet; rehab and still make the indoor championship meet.
 
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Ah....So That Is Why JSU Folks are so concerned about SU APR's Decision?

Ah....So That Is Why JSU Folks are so concerned about SU APR's Decision?


Planning to sue the SWAC itself on the grounds of unfair standards not consistently administered to all schools? Was I right?
 
Re: Ah....So That Is Why JSU Folks are so concerned about SU APR's Decision?

I'm just trying to understand the situation. To be honest...I was shocked the first thread was closed but then I noticed it had over 200 posts. Okay, cool. But the situation isn't over so why wasn't there another topic?!

Just like any other APR issue on this board, regardless of the school...there are always multiple threads (JSU, TxSO, Bama State, etc.).


Why are you starting a SU APR thread calling JSU folks out?! :noidea:
Surely you know this thread will not end well simply because it started out wrong.
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GramblingMan2009 said:
Maybe the SWAC COP looked at SU situation differently because it's happened 5 year ago under a different school administration athletic administration and coaches, the whole dynamic of the situation doesn't warrant a SWAC tourney ban, and the fact that SU has met the benchmarks of the NCAA investigation further says they are serious about clearing up the problem .
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Bingo
 
"NOISE TALKA" said:
Repeat post: The SWAC set an unsustainable precedent by banning JSU from the SCG that year... The APR bug was (intentionally or not) always a trap for our schools. Yes, Robber... it seems as though they are backtracking (or scrambling) now. The NCAA seems as poo as the SWAC in this situation, though. There shouldn't be a reason for stringing Southern along...
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They banned SU and JSU that year.
 
Re: Ah....So That Is Why JSU Folks are so concerned about SU APR's Decision?

ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS? Seriously?
 
JR said:
It's not about APR. It was paperwork not properly filed in the past. Current APR is fine. The thread got moved to the smack board. When the NCAA rules on the paperwork submitted, I am sure the SWAC commish, our AD and the news will announce it. I am certain the Queen has all the details since they are letting SU teams participate in conference championships. Indoor Track teams just competed this weekend. So our basketball teams will be in Houston as well. Any questions should be directed to Duer or the Council of Presidents.
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Their letting ya'll compete has nothing to do with them knowing your situation. I am sure the Queen can't win battles on her own. We know what it's like to have things 9 against 1.
 
Robber said:
How is it not APR??? The initial post of the last thread says:



Now, seems to me faulty APR paperwork was submitted years ago. While it doesn't speak today's APR numbers, seems like it does speak to the old APR numbers. So ain't that still APR???
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Ironically we were banned back then in basketball and football for those faulty APR numbers.
 
I don't see why a vote was necessary when the SWAC already has already set a precedent on how to handle such matters.
 
C-LeB28 said:
You have to run a qualifying time to make the NCAA National Championship. Just because you are the conference champion, you may not have met the required time/distance standards.

For example, you can run a qualifying time the very first track meet of the season and then get injured and not even run in the conference championship meet; rehab and still make the indoor championship meet.
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Thanks! I knew about the qualifying times, but I always thought the qualifying times came from the conference championships, not from anytime during the indoor season.
 
GramblingMan2009 said:
Maybe the SWAC COP looked at SU situation differently because it's happened 5 year ago under a different school administration athletic administration and coaches, the whole dynamic of the situation doesn't warrant a SWAC tourney ban, and the fact that SU has met the benchmarks of the NCAA investigation further says they are serious about clearing up the problem .
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"We're working as diligently as we can," Broussard said last week. "It's a lot of nights and a lot of weekends. We're going to continue to work until the NCAA says there's zero possibility (of lifting the bans). We're working under the assumption that if we continue to meet a progression of deadlines there will be minimal harm to the winter sports."

Some of that data was due by the end of Wednesday, but an NCAA spokesperson said until a final determination can be made, a postseason ban is in play.

"All Southern athletics teams are currently ineligible for NCAA postseason opportunities," NCAA associate director Michelle Brutlag Hosick said in a statement. "A significant amount of work must be completed before NCAA postseason eligibility can be restored."

The SWAC Indoor Track Championships begin Saturday in Birmingham, Ala. The SWAC Basketball Tournaments begin March 11.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ity-scrambles-to-meet-ncaa-deadlines/5642843/



some reason sounds like the scheduled SWAC events are apart of NCAA recognized postseason opportunities.
 
Tigerpride said:
Their letting ya'll compete has nothing to do with them knowing your situation. I am sure the Queen can't win battles on her own. We know what it's like to have things 9 against 1.
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I bet she voted for it. She ain't a SU hater like yall are. LOL. I hear she real friendly with some SU folks. She ain't a JSU grad so she wasn't raised to hate SU or dislike them like some of your posters. For her it ain't that serious. Plus she remembers the APR stuff when the SWAC banned both JSU and SU. Yeah we know it hurt yall more than us since we had hired Stump. But the simple fact remained that the other Presidents at the time voted against SU and JSU. Not just JSU.

I am sure the vote then was 8-2. Actually I think somebody abstained from voting that time.

All this means is SU will compete in the tourney and if we win, you got to hope the NCAA picks another SWAC rep. I guess the runner up will go the dance if we are not cleared. Seems like you JSU cats are more worried about it and your team has no great shot either way to win even if SU ain't in the SWAC tourney. I would expect Bama State, PB, even TxSU to be more inclined to be pissed off about SU being in there than you guys. These Presidents want the tourney to make money and that's why they probably told Duer to let everybody go to Houston and they will deal with any banned NCAA tourney stuff later.
 
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Tigerpride said:
I don't see why a vote was necessary when the SWAC already has already set a precedent on how to handle such matters.
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It's a new council of Presidents TP. LOL. They can change the rules as they go. You should already know better. How many times have we said the issues in this conference rest at the feet of our Presidents and Chancellor who pull Duer strings. He makes no major decisions without their okay or input.
 
JR said:
I bet she voted for it. She ain't a SU hater like yall are. LOL. I hear she real friendly with some SU folks. She ain't a JSU grad so she was raised to hate SU or dislike them like some of your posters. For her it ain't that serious. Plus she remembers the APR stuff when the SWAC banned both JSU and SU. Yeah we know it hurt yall more than us since we had hired Stump. But the simple fact remained that the other Presidents at the time voted against SU and JSU. Not just JSU.

I am sure the vote then was 8-2. Actually I think somebody abstained from voting that time.

All this means is SU will compete in the tourney and if we win, you got to hope the NCAA picks another SWAC rep. I guess the runner up will go the dance if we are not cleared. Seems like you JSU cats are more worried about it and your team has no great shot either way to win even if SU ain't in the SWAC tourney. I would expect Bama State, PB, even TxSU to be more inclined to be pissed off about SU being in there than you guys. These Presidents want the tourney to make money and that's why they probably told Duer to let everybody go to Houston and they will deal with any banned NCAA tourney stuff later.
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JR, I can't say how she voted but unlike a LOT of Presidents, Athletics is important to her. She is not crazy about the SWAC or SWAC politics and I have got this directly from her. But the SWAC is our home so we must deal with it but trust me, she and SWAC don't see eye to eye.

And she was not happy at all at what they did to JSU.

As for the JSU posters here, we just want what's right. Since 2010, we have been saying that the SCG is NOT a post-season event. But nooooo MH and Fiyah wouldn't let it go. Where are they now? It is very clear that the APR ban is for NCAA sponsored post-season events not for conference-sponsored post-season events.

Say what you want JR, but if this was JSU, there would not have been any vote to see if we could still compete. We would have been banned. The double standards around the SWAC is real, obvious, and intentional.
 
JR said:
I bet she voted for it. She ain't a SU hater like yall are. LOL. I hear she real friendly with some SU folks. She ain't a JSU grad so she wasn't raised to hate SU or dislike them like some of your posters. For her it ain't that serious. Plus she remembers the APR stuff when the SWAC banned both JSU and SU. Yeah we know it hurt yall more than us since we had hired Stump. But the simple fact remained that the other Presidents at the time voted against SU and JSU. Not just JSU.

I am sure the vote then was 8-2. Actually I think somebody abstained from voting that time.

All this means is SU will compete in the tourney and if we win, you got to hope the NCAA picks another SWAC rep. I guess the runner up will go the dance if we are not cleared. Seems like you JSU cats are more worried about it and your team has no great shot either way to win even if SU ain't in the SWAC tourney. I would expect Bama State, PB, even TxSU to be more inclined to be pissed off about SU being in there than you guys. These Presidents want the tourney to make money and that's why they probably told Duer to let everybody go to Houston and they will deal with any banned NCAA tourney stuff later.
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I can't speak for any other UAPB alum on the Boards, but for me personally, I can't be mad at SU for being there. I honestly believe that if my boys were eligible to compete in the tournament last season, we would have done very, very well; not saying we would have won, but I know we would have been very competitive.

Now, it will be interesting (very interesting) to see how this works out for SU. It was announced less than a month ago that the NCAA screwed up our APR scores, not us, but they still did not overturn the ban on us. Our scores were higher; they miscalculated and our paperwork was apparently correct. I understand the SWAC office has stated we can play in the tournament, but I think the NCAA should lift our ban for this season and nex year since they're the ones who messed up. If Southern can compete, so be it; if not, okay. I just hope my folks on the court (and the football field) have learned the importance of APR and I hope my UAPB can and will get some well-staffed and competent folks in the Compliance Office.
 
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Tigerpride said:
JR, I can't say how she voted but unlike a LOT of Presidents, Athletics is important to her. She is not crazy about the SWAC or SWAC politics and I have got this directly from her. But the SWAC is our home so we must deal with it but trust me, she and SWAC don't see eye to eye.

And she was not happy at all at what they did to JSU.

As for the JSU posters here, we just want what's right. Since 2010, we have been saying that the SCG is NOT a post-season event. But nooooo MH and Fiyah wouldn't let it go. Where are they now? It is very clear that the APR ban is for NCAA sponsored post-season events not for conference-sponsored post-season events.

Say what you want JR, but if this was JSU, there would not have been any vote to see if we could still compete. We would have been banned. The double standards around the SWAC is real, obvious, and intentional.
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So since the Presidents and Chancellor have changed for pretty much everyone. Why in the hell would they all be against JSU? We know SU didn't vote against yall in 2010 because we got hammered for not only football. But for basketball too thanks to Spivery and company. You guys make it all about JSU. SU was there with the ban. PB and Valley have been banned. TxSU got banned by both the NCAA and the SWAC. Wasn't Grambling basketball on some kind of ban back then too?

If the Queen is so convincing and hates the SWAC direction then why don't she raise hell with the SWAC other Presidents. You never hear her PUBLICLY going off even in a professional manner. You see other school Presidents, ADs and even Coaches complain. Hell look at Spurrier calling the new slow down rule to curtail fast paced offenses the Saban rule. Why is the Queen so quiet about it. I think she sells yall a bag of goods privately and be drinking and yucking up with the other members of the Council of Presidents. Yall at JSU trust her entirely too much behind closed doors that you ain't privy too. Until we see her publicly denounce the going ons with the conference since yall feel the SWAC wrongs JSU so much. Then she should be leading a revolt. Hell, like I said most of the Presidents are gone. Valley, Alcorn, SU, AAMU, Bama State all have changed leaders in the last few years. How hard is it for her to get her way. Surely the other leaders have heard their alums criticize Duer and the job he does. He has already said he does what the Council tells him.

She may care about athletics. But she ain't raising no hell with the other Presidents like she should. She got yall believing she hates the SWAC and can't wait to take JSU out of it. Surely there are other Presidents in the conference who feel the same way. Not all of them have been in charge for a long time. I think TxSU's Prez may be the longest serving President in the SWAC right now. Nope TP. You can't sell me on these ACADEMIC Leaders as being so forthright when it comes to what they are doing behind closed doors and who they are cool with. For all you know she might like some of her fellow SWAC Presidents. Maybe that's why she never says much about it. She don't strike me as someone who is scared to speak her mind in the public about something she perceives as not right for JSU.
 
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