JR
Well-Known Member
tip toe? Man he used to run over your Niners when he was a Ram. He only tip toed later on when he was older. You must have not seen Bettis play early in his career.
Why the HELL is Charles Haley not in the NFL Hall of Fame?
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tip toe? Man he used to run over your Niners when he was a Ram. He only tip toed later on when he was older. You must have not seen Bettis play early in his career.
JR
Well-Known Member
LC and Shell should have been in.
LC had 73 sacks and made 6 Pro Bowls and was on the all decades team in the 70s with Pittsburgh to go along with those 4 rings. Got to roll with our homie from Canton Ms.
Donnie Shell had 51 INTS and made 5 straight Pro Bowls. He has better stats than some that are already in.
Jim Marshall of the Vikings is another one who should be in. Dude recovered 30 fumbles as a DL which is a NFL record at any position and started more consecutive games as a DL or any player until Favre broke the record as well. Not to mention was a pro bowl player.
Those are 3 old heads who should get in that have been left out. Hell LC and Shell should have been in before Swann and Stallworth.
JR
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Why you got to hate on the BUS. LOL.
JaguarNation99
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I know he'll probably get in on the overall number of yards, but he still has a career average of less than 4 yards a carry and he only topped 4 yards per carry in four of his seasons. In only 2 seasons did he top 10 TDs. He piled up a lot of yards, but it was mostly 3 yards at a time. I give him props for durability and longevity, I just don't see his career as HOF worthy compared to his contemporaries.
JR
Well-Known Member
His last few years hurt his yards per carry stat. As you can see in his glory years he did pretty well over 4 yards. Dude was really a FB that got moved to RB. If anything his last few years did him no good. His production was way down and he was barely holding on with Willie Parker taking his carries.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BettJe00.htm
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JR
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Not every rb in the HOF could catch. What is going to help him even more is that not many Rbs will have his yards because the league has become a passing league. Tomlinson will get in but after that the Bus has no other RBs waiting to get in to compete with that isn't in already. Thats why I think Terrell Davis is going to get in after a while (media sentiment). Right now there is only one bonafide HOF back that is playing and that is Adrian Peterson. There are others that might have a shot if they stay healthy. But unlike the WR position were the numbers keep getting greater because of all the passing,the Bus numbers will be safe for awhile and he will get in and deserving so. His yard per carry ain't no deal breaker to me. The man had 8 thousand yard seasons in his first nine years and that's being a bigger and slower back that everyone knew was getting the ball. He carried Pittsburgh into the playoffs until Big Ben got there.
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JSU/99
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Betttis was a throw-back, one o the best big backs in history. He was great in short yardage - something to remember next time your team can't convert on 3rd and 1. If there's room for John Riggins in the HoF there's room for bettis. He's also comparable to Curtis Martin, who got in with no problem.
jr, there's already about9 steelers from those 70s team in the HOF. I can't see the voters adding more. Maybe the veterans committee will give those guys a look.
jr, there's already about9 steelers from those 70s team in the HOF. I can't see the voters adding more. Maybe the veterans committee will give those guys a look.
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JaguarNation99
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If you get enough carries, you will eventually crack 1000 yards a season. It's only 63 yards a game. Bettis was hardly the first RB who played in a run-heavy system. It could actually be argued that his stats are inflated because of that. Like I said, he'll get in eventually on the totality of his stats, but that's more of a reflection of longevity than actual greatness.
JaguarNation99
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He's not comparable to Martin. Martin outpaces him in virtually every category despite playing two fewer seasons. There's a reason Martin was enshrined ahead of him, probably by several years.
To illustrate Bettis' effectiveness in games late in his career, think back to his 2nd to last season where he had 5 carries for 1 total yard in a game. He had 3 TD. If you needed someone to punch it in... he was your man. Another game he had 6 carries for 9 yards and 2 TD. He still had a number of 100 yard games that season.
JR
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JN99, I get the feeling you don't like the Bus? He played 12 years and finished 6th all time. Most of the RBs in didn't average a 100 yards a game. I think Barry Sanders, Jim Brown and maybe a couple of others stockpiled all those yards in a relatively short time. You got John Riggins in the HOF. The Bus deserves to go. Nobody is saying he is the greatest of all time or anything. I even admitted he wasn't a first ballot HOF RB. But he deserves to get in sooner than later. LT is the only other RB that has retired that deserves going in with him based on yards rushing. Obviously LT could catch the rock too. But outside them 2, that's it. The Bus is a HOF RB. Those 3 yards and a cloud of dust hurt a many defenses and like I said it carried Pittsburgh to multiple playoffs without a big time QB until Big Ben got going. But by then, the Bus was already needing new tires. LOL.
JSU/99
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Similar ypc average(4.0-3.9) even though Martin was considered a more explosive back in his day. Also similar in yardage and TDs despite Martin having more carries. The real question: Who had a greater impact on the game during his career? They played during the same era but Bettis undoubtedly had the greater impact.
JR
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Yep. He may have been the best short yardage back of all time.
JaguarNation99
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I don't dislike him at all. In fact, I grew up a Notre Dame fan. I've said several times that he'll get in at some point on his overall numbers. He was consistent and durable, and by all accounts a genuinely good guy. He was good for a long time, and there's something to be said for that, but I never personally felt he was ever among the best at his position. Others may feel differently, and I can respect that, but I'll never be convinced he was comparable to Curtis Martin, there's just too much evidence to the contrary.
Riggins is his comparison, another guy who compiled a lot of stats over a long career and currently the only RB in the HOF who failed to average less than 4 YPC.
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BRAVEHEART123
The Clown Prince of Crime
Ok Damn Media...It is time to make it official for Charles Haley.
Journalist
Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
Warrick Dunn could get in a few years down the line
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
Don't forget this guy
Isiah Robertson
No. 58
Linebacker
Personal information
Date of birth: August 17, 1949 (age 65)
Place of birth: New Orleans, Louisiana
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg)
Career information
High school: Covington (LA) Pine View
College: Southern
NFL Draft: 1971 / Round: 1 / Pick: 10
Debuted in 1971 for the Los Angeles Rams
Last played in 1982 for the Buffalo Bills
Career history
Los Angeles Rams (1971–1978)
Buffalo Bills (1979–1982)
Career highlights and awards
6× Pro Bowl selection (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
4× First-team All-Pro selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976)
2× Second-team All-Pro selection (1971, 1977)
6× First-team All-Conference selection (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
1× Second-team All-Conference selection (1972)
1971 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year
Career NFL statistics
Interceptions 25
Touchdowns 3
Stats at NFL.com
Isiah "Butch" Robertson (born August 17, 1949 in New Orleans, Louisiana) is a former professional American football player who played linebacker for the Los Angeles Rams (1971–1978) and the Buffalo Bills (1979–1982). He was selected to six Pro Bowls during his years with the Rams. He picked off 25 passes in his career, returning three for touchdowns. He scored a fourth touchdown on a fumble recovery in 1978. According to Rams and Bills records, Robertson also sacked the quarterback 25½ times and recorded 16 fumbles in his career.
Isiah Robertson combined size, strength, quickness, speed, toughness, and a knack for making the game-breaking play. Isiah was one of the NFL's fastest linebackers. He was clocked at 4.6 in the 40-yard dash.
College careerEdit
In 1970, his senior year at Southern University, he made 112 tackles and had 45 assists. Isiah was chosen to The Sporting News and TIME 1970 All-American team in 1970 as well as being named AP and UPI small college All-American Teams. Isiah returned an interception 102 yards for a game-winning touchdown against Grambling with only a few seconds to play.
He still holds the longest interception record (102 yards) and had 11 interceptions in 3 years. He concluded his college career by receiving a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Marketing.
NFL careerEdit
He was a 1st round draft choice of the Los Angeles Rams in 1971, the 10th player chosen overall.
In 1971, Isiah's rookie year, he established himself as one of the NFL's new stars, replacing the departed Jack Pardee as the Rams' starting strongside linebacker. He was voted Defensive Rookie of the Year, selected Second-team All-NFL and also chosen to the Pro Bowl, played at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. The Rams posted an 8-5-1 record, but missed the playoffs by half a game. The game which cost the Rams the playoffs might very well have been Isiah's first, when the Rams lost 24-20 to the New Orleans Saints when fellow rookie Archie Manning scored a touchdown on the game's final play.
In 1973 Robertson was voted First-team All-Pro. It was one of the best seasons of his brilliant career. He intercepted 3 passes that season and returned one interception 49 yards for a touchdown against the New York Giants on Monday Night Football. It was the first touchdown of his career. Isiah Robertson was considered by many as the best linebacker in the NFL. The Rams finished with a great 12-2 record and won the Western division.
In 1974, Isiah had an excellent season making All-Pro once again and named to his third Pro Bowl. The Rams posted a 10-4 record and won the Western division title again. In the playoffs, the Rams played the Washington Redskins. In the 4th quarter, with the Rams leading the Redskins only 13-10, Isiah intercepted quarterback Sonny Jurgensen's pass and ran 59 yards for a touchdown that sealed a 19-10 victory for the Rams.
In 1975 was voted All-Pro and made the Pro Bowl for the fourth time. He intercepted 4 passes for 118 yards and 1 touchdown. On Monday Night Football, against the Philadelphia Eagles, Isiah intercepted a pass and ran 76 yards for a touchdown showcasing his great speed. The Rams beat the Eagles 42-3. In 1975 the Rams finished with a 12-2 record and won their division. In the playoffs, the Rams defeated the explosive St. Louis Cardinals 35-23. The Los Angeles Rams would face the Dallas Cowboys in the 1975 NFC Championship game.
Isiah Robertson was a First-team All-Pro in 1976 and a Second-team choice in 1977 while making the Pro Bowl both seasons.
In 1978, his last year with the Rams, he was credited with 25 tackles, 4 sacks, and 2 fumble recoveries. Isiah returned a fumble 16 yards for a touchdown against the Minnesota Vikings in a Rams 34- 17 victory. He only started 6 of the 13 games he played in, losing his starting job to Bob Brudzinski. Robertson may be best known for a play in the 1978 season, when, while attempting to tackle then-rookie Houston Oilers running back (and NFL Hall Of Famer) Earl Campbell, Robertson was head-butted in the sternum and run over by Campbell on his way down the field against the Rams. The play is often shown as a part of NFL Films highlights; especially those concerning Campbell. What is not commonly known is that Campbell was knocked out of that game by a hard hit to his thigh.
After the season, the Rams traded Isiah to the Buffalo Bills. After he was traded Robertson signed a 4-year $1 million contract making him among the highest paid NFL linebackers, averaging $250,000 a season. In 1979, in his first year as a member of the Bills, Isiah brought his 8 years experience and football savvy to the young Bills linebacking corps, which included standout rookie Jim Haslett. He had another outstanding year. Isiah registered 96 tackles, a quarterback sack, recovered 2 fumbles, and had 2 interceptions. In a game against the Cincinnati Bengals, he intercepted a pass and ran 23 yards for a touchdown. It was the last touchdown of his career.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isiah_Robertson
Isiah Robertson
No. 58
Linebacker
Personal information
Date of birth: August 17, 1949 (age 65)
Place of birth: New Orleans, Louisiana
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg)
Career information
High school: Covington (LA) Pine View
College: Southern
NFL Draft: 1971 / Round: 1 / Pick: 10
Debuted in 1971 for the Los Angeles Rams
Last played in 1982 for the Buffalo Bills
Career history
Los Angeles Rams (1971–1978)
Buffalo Bills (1979–1982)
Career highlights and awards
6× Pro Bowl selection (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
4× First-team All-Pro selection (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976)
2× Second-team All-Pro selection (1971, 1977)
6× First-team All-Conference selection (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
1× Second-team All-Conference selection (1972)
1971 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year
Career NFL statistics
Interceptions 25
Touchdowns 3
Stats at NFL.com
Isiah "Butch" Robertson (born August 17, 1949 in New Orleans, Louisiana) is a former professional American football player who played linebacker for the Los Angeles Rams (1971–1978) and the Buffalo Bills (1979–1982). He was selected to six Pro Bowls during his years with the Rams. He picked off 25 passes in his career, returning three for touchdowns. He scored a fourth touchdown on a fumble recovery in 1978. According to Rams and Bills records, Robertson also sacked the quarterback 25½ times and recorded 16 fumbles in his career.
Isiah Robertson combined size, strength, quickness, speed, toughness, and a knack for making the game-breaking play. Isiah was one of the NFL's fastest linebackers. He was clocked at 4.6 in the 40-yard dash.
College careerEdit
In 1970, his senior year at Southern University, he made 112 tackles and had 45 assists. Isiah was chosen to The Sporting News and TIME 1970 All-American team in 1970 as well as being named AP and UPI small college All-American Teams. Isiah returned an interception 102 yards for a game-winning touchdown against Grambling with only a few seconds to play.
He still holds the longest interception record (102 yards) and had 11 interceptions in 3 years. He concluded his college career by receiving a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Marketing.
NFL careerEdit
He was a 1st round draft choice of the Los Angeles Rams in 1971, the 10th player chosen overall.
In 1971, Isiah's rookie year, he established himself as one of the NFL's new stars, replacing the departed Jack Pardee as the Rams' starting strongside linebacker. He was voted Defensive Rookie of the Year, selected Second-team All-NFL and also chosen to the Pro Bowl, played at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. The Rams posted an 8-5-1 record, but missed the playoffs by half a game. The game which cost the Rams the playoffs might very well have been Isiah's first, when the Rams lost 24-20 to the New Orleans Saints when fellow rookie Archie Manning scored a touchdown on the game's final play.
In 1973 Robertson was voted First-team All-Pro. It was one of the best seasons of his brilliant career. He intercepted 3 passes that season and returned one interception 49 yards for a touchdown against the New York Giants on Monday Night Football. It was the first touchdown of his career. Isiah Robertson was considered by many as the best linebacker in the NFL. The Rams finished with a great 12-2 record and won the Western division.
In 1974, Isiah had an excellent season making All-Pro once again and named to his third Pro Bowl. The Rams posted a 10-4 record and won the Western division title again. In the playoffs, the Rams played the Washington Redskins. In the 4th quarter, with the Rams leading the Redskins only 13-10, Isiah intercepted quarterback Sonny Jurgensen's pass and ran 59 yards for a touchdown that sealed a 19-10 victory for the Rams.
In 1975 was voted All-Pro and made the Pro Bowl for the fourth time. He intercepted 4 passes for 118 yards and 1 touchdown. On Monday Night Football, against the Philadelphia Eagles, Isiah intercepted a pass and ran 76 yards for a touchdown showcasing his great speed. The Rams beat the Eagles 42-3. In 1975 the Rams finished with a 12-2 record and won their division. In the playoffs, the Rams defeated the explosive St. Louis Cardinals 35-23. The Los Angeles Rams would face the Dallas Cowboys in the 1975 NFC Championship game.
Isiah Robertson was a First-team All-Pro in 1976 and a Second-team choice in 1977 while making the Pro Bowl both seasons.
In 1978, his last year with the Rams, he was credited with 25 tackles, 4 sacks, and 2 fumble recoveries. Isiah returned a fumble 16 yards for a touchdown against the Minnesota Vikings in a Rams 34- 17 victory. He only started 6 of the 13 games he played in, losing his starting job to Bob Brudzinski. Robertson may be best known for a play in the 1978 season, when, while attempting to tackle then-rookie Houston Oilers running back (and NFL Hall Of Famer) Earl Campbell, Robertson was head-butted in the sternum and run over by Campbell on his way down the field against the Rams. The play is often shown as a part of NFL Films highlights; especially those concerning Campbell. What is not commonly known is that Campbell was knocked out of that game by a hard hit to his thigh.
After the season, the Rams traded Isiah to the Buffalo Bills. After he was traded Robertson signed a 4-year $1 million contract making him among the highest paid NFL linebackers, averaging $250,000 a season. In 1979, in his first year as a member of the Bills, Isiah brought his 8 years experience and football savvy to the young Bills linebacking corps, which included standout rookie Jim Haslett. He had another outstanding year. Isiah registered 96 tackles, a quarterback sack, recovered 2 fumbles, and had 2 interceptions. In a game against the Cincinnati Bengals, he intercepted a pass and ran 23 yards for a touchdown. It was the last touchdown of his career.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isiah_Robertson
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Dr H..
Active Member
It called the HOF, there are several AA players that should be in the HOF. Most of those voting don’t know their butt from a hole in the ground or they don’t know the contributions made to the game and the sad part is white media know, but refuse to support the players.
I was told that the reason “Too Tall” Jones is not in the HOF, is because he left the NFL to pursue a short lived boxing career and that made some folks upset.
The HOF, is like the Heisman, you can’t have too many AA.
I was told that the reason “Too Tall” Jones is not in the HOF, is because he left the NFL to pursue a short lived boxing career and that made some folks upset.
The HOF, is like the Heisman, you can’t have too many AA.