Cooper to USC?


Storm96 said:
one would think that we would've learned this from seeing that SWAC football is likely near the top in head coaching salaries in the FCS but at the bottom when it comes to actually competing.
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Storm 96, I think you're making an apples and oranges comparison, but the comment is still thought provoking. So, let me ask, if the coaching salaries were rounded off to somewhere around the average of FCS coaching salaries and then the difference between the actual salary and the rounded off salary were invested back into the football program how much of a difference you think it would make? Providing folks get off of their behind and do their job, and do it well.
 
I agree with you about women's basketball although it is growing on me....college women's basketball that is.....I still am not a WNBA fan. But the Comets were selling out until the team went to crap.


Storm96 said:
East Tex Tiger said:
There is a market for good women basketball in Houston. QUOTE]

I disagree. Houston couldn't even keep a WNBA franchise; and they were a dynasty. I never remember Rice,tsu or uh ever being popular when it comes to women's basketball;even during UH's chandi jones years. I've said it before and I'll say it again....Houston just isn't a sports town. Women's Basketball isn't even on the radar for most Houstonians.
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Why all this concern about what sTu pays its coaches?



Storm96 said:
JR said:
Personally, I don't want PV paying ANY coach (football included) that kind of money to compete in the SWAC. Its a waste. Coop is making more money than Sam Houston's football coach but atleast they've gone to the national championship. I'm not knocking her hustle though. We all gotta eat.
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Can't speak for the rest of the SWAC but Texas Southern is looking to advance (whether it be a 16th, 15th or a 10th seed) to advance deep into the NCAA tournament and in doing so you've got to attract the players and the coaches that can get you there.

Yes, Coop is making what she makes but take into account what she did in just one season with this basketball program that had never won a conference championship before as well as only winning 4-5 games from the year before (and your key players are freshmen).

If you all had the opportunity to take a tour of our men's and women's locker room you'd know we are on a strategic plan of thinking higher than being satisfied with a SWAC regular season/tournament title and just showing up to the NCAA tournament and being happy as the 16th seed. These locker rooms will put all SWAC locker rooms to shame as well as some of the big boy programs. Hell, Coach Davis will tell anyone that listens that the men and women offices and locker rooms here at Texas Southern would put Indiana University's Assembly Hall to shame.
 
LAW DAWG said:
Storm 96, I think you're making an apples and oranges comparison, but the comment is still thought provoking. So, let me ask, if the coaching salaries were rounded off to somewhere around the average of FCS coaching salaries and then the difference between the actual salary and the rounded off salary were invested back into the football program how much of a difference you think it would make? Providing folks get off of their behind and do their job, and do it well.
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Who knows? I'm at the point where I questioning the need for athletics period without proper planning and vision. If it works for you all, fine. As Walk stated, ROI is important.
 
C-LeB28 said:
Can't speak for the rest of the SWAC but Texas Southern is looking to advance (whether it be a 16th, 15th or a 10th seed) to advance deep into the NCAA tournament and in doing so you've got to attract the players and the coaches that can get you there.

Yes, Coop is making what she makes but take into account what she did in just one season with this basketball program that had never won a conference championship before as well as only winning 4-5 games from the year before (and your key players are freshmen).

If you all had the opportunity to take a tour of our men's and women's locker room you'd know we are on a strategic plan of thinking higher than being satisfied with a SWAC regular season/tournament title and just showing up to the NCAA tournament and being happy as the 16th seed. These locker rooms will put all SWAC locker rooms to shame as well as some of the big boy programs. Hell, Coach Davis will tell anyone that listens that the men and women offices and locker rooms here at Texas Southern would put Indiana University's Assembly Hall to shame.
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Good Stuff! I would love to see the day when two SWAC programs get to the NCAA. I know Southern U. basketball is headed in the right direction also. I think if TXSU and S.U. can pull off a few so called upsets before conference play and get a high RPI then it can happen. The hard part of this is when we begin conference play, the RPI will plummet. I am not sure what the remedy is for this though other than the entire conference getting better.
 
Basketball for us offers the greatest opportunity for a positive return on investment. The key is getting a couple of top programs to come to our arena. I think the current coaches have the connections to make that happen. Both of them also have the ability to bring in players that fans want to see. I remember the days we would have capacity crowds for PV & Southern. 4000 plus for Jackson. Started to see people attending the games that had been absent for a while.

I have not given up.

Frazier and Cooper both made more than any coaches before them. So Robertson. The results showed on the field.
 
JROCK said:
Good Stuff! I would love to see the day when two SWAC programs get to the NCAA. I know Southern U. basketball is headed in the right direction also. I think if TXSU and S.U. can pull off a few so called upsets before conference play and get a high RPI then it can happen. The hard part of this is when we begin conference play, the RPI will plummet. I am not sure what the remedy is for this though other than the entire conference getting better.
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It is all in scheduling. With all of the money and road games that our teams play, we end up with 95% of the conference having a 3-9 or worse record. That alone pretty much destroys your RPI, and when your team loses 1 or 2 conference games they can hang it up in regards to getting an At-Large bid. Here is how I would schedule for a team:

at Texas

at Liberty

vs Tulane

vs UL-Lafayette

at LSU

vs Northwestern State

at Florida Gulf Coast

at Norfolk State

vs. Mercer

vs. Louisiana Tech

at Southeastern

vs. UL-Monroe

10-2 OOC record

16-2 SWAC record

26-4 overall record

The typical SWAC schedule looks like this:

at Duke

at Kentucky

at Indiana

at Michigan State

at Oregon

at UCLA

vs Talledega College

at Iowa State

at Alabama

vs Selma

at Florida State

at North Carolina

2-10 OOC record

16-2 SWAC record

18-12 overall record


Basically all of our teams are doing option 2 and are pretty much guaranteed a 16-seed or play-in game.
 
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The remedy is winning out of conference on a consistent basis. Running the conference will not be enough. Most concede that Gonzaga's conference is not a strong basketball conference so they had to win consistently and win out of conference....It killed the NCAA to rank Gonzaga #1 at the end of the season but out of conference wins along with running their conference forced them to give them a #1 seed in the tournament. We have to win out of conference since our conference has been historically weak.

We came close to getting several out of conference wins but close does not count.



JROCK said:
Good Stuff! I would love to see the day when two SWAC programs get to the NCAA. I know Southern U. basketball is headed in the right direction also. I think if TXSU and S.U. can pull off a few so called upsets before conference play and get a high RPI then it can happen. The hard part of this is when we begin conference play, the RPI will plummet. I am not sure what the remedy is for this though other than the entire conference getting better.
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Unless you go 25-1 with 7 Top 25 wins a 15 seed is what we're destined for as we're tied to the conference at the end of the day. Hampton women beat LSU, Boston College, etc. and the best they got was a #15 seed....look at this schedule http://www.hamptonpirates.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball&

As for PV, Coop, Robertson and Frazier were destined to get more than the person before them as the people before them were part-time coaches who taught classes :emlaugh: The funny part is the people who took the jobs after them get less as two of them have titles

I agree with both sides in some cases but at the end of the day you got to know where you're at and can everyone share in the wealth as coaches come and go...
 
number1 said:
It is all in scheduling. With all of the money and road games that our teams play, we end up with 95% of the conference having a 3-9 or worse record. That alone pretty much destroys your RPI, and when your team loses 1 or 2 conference games they can hang it up in regards to getting an At-Large bid. Here is how I would schedule for a team:

at Texas

at Liberty

vs Tulane

vs UL-Lafayette

at LSU

vs Northwestern State

at Florida Gulf Coast

at Norfolk State

vs. Mercer

vs. Louisiana Tech

at Southeastern

vs. UL-Monroe

10-2 OOC record

16-2 SWAC record

26-4 overall record

The typical SWAC schedule looks like this:

at Duke

at Kentucky

at Indiana

at Michigan State

at Oregon

at UCLA

vs Talledega College

at Iowa State

at Alabama

vs Selma

at Florida State

at North Carolina

2-10 OOC record

16-2 SWAC record

18-12 overall record


Basically all of our teams are doing option 2 and are pretty much guaranteed a 16-seed or play-in game.
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Very nice sched up top. But don't forget the $$$$ the bball programs are required to bring in (for some schools). :tup:

In that 2nd schedule, that's a lot of potential revenue for the beatdown games going to their place.
 
Panther88 said:
Very nice sched up top. But don't forget the $$$$ the bball programs are required to bring in (for some schools). :tup:

In that 2nd schedule, that's a lot of potential revenue for the beatdown games going to their place.
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Yeap, and while it was an extreme example, it shows why our conference RPI is so low.
 



number1 said:
Yeap, and while it was an extreme example, it shows why our conference RPI is so low.
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Looked almost normal though n1. That were hella' examples of 2 differing extremes w/ the first one being on point. Major props on that. :tup:

Even showing the $$$ games that the SWAC and potential records in sched #2, hella' props. 2 differing extremes. Well done and I appreciated it. :tup:
 
Will gender equity play a role in this hiring? The new men's coach just got a million. His previous salary was 156,000.00.
 
number1 said:
Yeap, and while it was an extreme example, it shows why our conference RPI is so low.
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Actually the 2nd schedule RPI would be much higher. RPI is more based on yours and your opponents schedules. That's why even if you win in the SWAC your RPI goes down.
 
the band fan said:
Unless you go 25-1 with 7 Top 25 wins a 15 seed is what we're destined for as we're tied to the conference at the end of the day. Hampton women beat LSU, Boston College, etc. and the best they got was a #15 seed....look at this schedule http://www.hamptonpirates.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball&

As for PV, Coop, Robertson and Frazier were destined to get more than the person before them as the people before them were part-time coaches who taught classes :emlaugh: The funny part is the people who took the jobs after them get less as two of them have titles

I agree with both sides in some cases but at the end of the day you got to know where you're at and can everyone share in the wealth as coaches come and go...
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Have to take those baby steps. Hampton seems to be very close to moving up to the next level in Women's basketball. It is very hard to breakthrough in women's basketball for various reasons. I think Norfolk on the men's side would have at the worst been a 14 seed had they not got eliminated in their conference tournament.
 
C-LeB28 said:
Can't speak for the rest of the SWAC but Texas Southern is looking to advance (whether it be a 16th, 15th or a 10th seed) to advance deep into the NCAA tournament and in doing so you've got to attract the players and the coaches that can get you there.

Yes, Coop is making what she makes but take into account what she did in just one season with this basketball program that had never won a conference championship before as well as only winning 4-5 games from the year before (and your key players are freshmen).

If you all had the opportunity to take a tour of our men's and women's locker room you'd know we are on a strategic plan of thinking higher than being satisfied with a SWAC regular season/tournament title and just showing up to the NCAA tournament and being happy as the 16th seed. These locker rooms will put all SWAC locker rooms to shame as well as some of the big boy programs. Hell, Coach Davis will tell anyone that listens that the men and women offices and locker rooms here at Texas Southern would put Indiana University's Assembly Hall to shame.
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jag4life said:
Actually the 2nd schedule RPI would be much higher. RPI is more based on yours and your opponents schedules. That's why even if you win in the SWAC your RPI goes down.
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Yes, and the only way I think it can be remedied is if a few SWAC teams win out of conference before conference play start so a few conference teams can have a decent RPI. One thing that bothers me is how well TSU did in conference but how poorly they did out of conference. This is IMHO disastrous for RPI. Somehow we, have to find a balance between scheduling money game and winning out of conference. I think we need 5 teams to step up with the aforementioned. The other thing I thought about tonight when looking at Wichita State is college basketball has been diluted because the NBA is swooping up a lot of younger collegiate basketball players. This plays in favor of SWAC schools if we can become opportunistic and win some of these games. I will be looking closely at S.U., TSU, and UAPB during non conference play next year to see what type of upward mobility has taken place.
 
Our guys were learning a new coach and a new system. Several of those out of conference games were really close and we should have beaten Colorado, FIU and UH (if Danner just knocks the ball away instead of just watching it we beat UH). Remember we even lost the first conference game to SU. I think we will do much better out of conference this season.

I think the SWAC, over all, will be better. Another key is getting some of those winnable out of conference games on our home courts. Scheduling the money games is the easy way out of generating revenue. Our athletic departments need to get busy generating corporate money so we don't have to take the beat downs to get a check.



JROCK said:
Yes, and the only way I think it can be remedied is if a few SWAC teams win out of conference before conference play start so a few conference teams can have a decent RPI. One thing that bothers me is how well TSU did in conference but how poorly they did out of conference. This is IMHO disastrous for RPI. Somehow we, have to find a balance between scheduling money game and winning out of conference. I think we need 5 teams to step up with the aforementioned. The other thing I thought about tonight when looking at Wichita State is college basketball has been diluted because the NBA is swooping up a lot of younger collegiate basketball players. This plays in favor of SWAC schools if we can become opportunistic and win some of these games. I will be looking closely at S.U., TSU, and UAPB during non conference play next year to see what type of upward mobility has taken place.
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