That process began last summer:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/13858185-452/the-nation-steps-in.html
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7 dead, 6 wounded in Chicago weekend violence
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That process began last summer:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/13858185-452/the-nation-steps-in.html
JROCK
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Good to see. It looks like there is a lot of work to do because it appears to be still out of control
bernard
THEE Realist
The Black church is just a social event, its purpose is not to help the community, its sole purpose is to spread the fear of burning in hell. It seems the black female isn't looking for husbands or dads, they are looking for "sperm donors" so they can receive public assistance or child support, which are the breeding grounds for illegitimacy.
Black folks like to be out and about, which increases their chances of being a crime statistics, until this mentality changes in the black neighborhood, the violence will continue and we will keep talking and praying until life doesn't exist on this planet.
JayRob
TigaPaw
In my humble opinion, guns are like money. It's best to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
That 70 year old grandmother or grandfather living alone may need that gun but not have it when they hear a window break or someone trying to pick their lock at 2am in the morning.
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JayRob
TigaPaw
Nice quote. I wouldn't dare trust a criminal to abide by the law however some will.:emlaugh:
JayRob
TigaPaw
Exactly! That's what's been happening here in Jackson for the past 5-7 years, especially in south Jackson.
JayRob
TigaPaw
How long have Black folks been looking to the church for help in this area? How's that been working for us?
Strong Black honest fathers who take care of their children who keep their boys in check and teach them how to grow up to be a positive contribution to society.
Until this starts happening, not much will change regardless of what a church tries to do.
JayRob
TigaPaw
What did they have to do with kids being killed? No matter who the mayor or police chief is, until Black men become responsible and give these angry boys the attention they need in their critical developmental stages of life, this will continue to be the norm.
We have to start somewhere. Why not start with the fathers and the responsibility they have to teach their boys appropriate ways to conduct themselves, who to stay away from and who to hang with.
And to add to that, Black women need to tell these men that sex without a condom is not acceptable.
She also needs to be responsible as well in taking contraceptives if she doesn't want to get pregnant. Condoms and contraceptives will serve to help prevent thousands of unwanted pregnancies which lead to many children being born that parents aren't prepared or want to care for. It's not rocket science.
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jstate83
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police Cheif wanted to go in last year with some kind of gang "sweep" plan but before they could do anything, they were protesting against the police comming into their neighborhoods like that.
What is he gonna do? :noidea:
southsuburbs
What I Live By...
He did go in and it helped. Then they left like they always do. I think I posted an article about that on here (or at least I remember reading it) where they interviewed people in the community where the police were moved to. The older lady interviewed said it takes a couple of days for people to realize the police are there to stay so they wait to start coming out more (they stay inside because of the violence). When they see the police are staying on the block and not leaving they start coming out because the thugs leave. But then after a couple of weeks the police leave and the thugs return immediately.
The police chiefs usually want to remove police from other areas of the city and place them in the crime-ridden area and it happens for a short time. Maybe Rham will listen to this police chief...right now it appears he's more concerned with getting donations for his next election. :lol:
There was a report on the news last week where Chief McCarthy was looking at the possibility of hiring civilians to do the desk jobs so that will free up an additional 300 cops. True we don't want those cops to go into the bad neighborhoods if they have been behind a desk but they can go into the downtown area to "walk the beat" and free up those cops to go to other neighborhoods. Y'all get the point. :lol:
Chicago is huge as hell with a lot of crime-ridden areas to cover, I'm not saying it can't be done but it's not the size of Atlanta or Jackson. We only hear about the crime in our community associated with the south side (mainly englewood) and the west side. You got south shore and then the mexicans off the chain in their couple of communities. :lol:
You "clean-up" one community and those criminals will just move to the next.
southsuburbs
What I Live By...
This is true.
the 15 year old girl died. She just performed at the Inauguration with the King College Prep Band (her high school). Sad.
At the end of the day the "system" is set up for certain people to fail. Some will get out and some won't. When the projects were tore down the residents were moved to black neighborhoods. The city knew where the project residents were moving to but did they increase the police in those communities? Nope. They just let it happen and then BAM...crime increases and now you're playing catch-up.
It's a vicious cycle that's going to continue forever. Some will get out...some won't.
Just look at the area around University of Chicago (Cottage Grove from 51st-63rd). That area used to be hood zone (my aunt used to live over there)...all black folks. UofC always owned the property but didn't have a need for it. Now they need it, took the apartments to turn into student housing and there are probably two-three apartment buildings still left they haven't turned over yet. There were a couple of crimes that happened the past couple of years to UofC students involving locals (an African kid was mugged, I think he died. and a white kid was mugged) haven't heard anything lately b/c police presence was stepped up.
My point is...when "they" want to control a neighborhood they can. "They" don't want to control our neighborhoods...so they put a band-aid on a gun shot wound.
Now they are going into communities and tearing down vacant buildings where crimes are being committed (squatters, drug users/deals, etc.) The owners have boarded up the buildings over and over but criminals keeps breaking in. The police don't arrest the trespassers or keep them from breaking in...so what can the owners do? So the city said "we'll just tear them down and give the owner the value of the building". HA! The value of the building is nothing in today's market/economy, and they still owe the bank. So the owners are like they dont' want to lose their properties they want the police to do their job and police the neighborhood. Who is right or wrong?
When I lived in my condo there was a boarded up vacant building across the street (D. Wade's childhood home) and squatters ALWAYS found a way into the building. We constantly called the police and they would come...and ride by. WTF you riding by for if we tell the 911 dispatcher they are INSIDE the buildling?! Get yo dumb ass out the car and go in. So we would just keep calling back until they went in...usually about the 3rd time calling for them to come back. They never caught anyone (the squatters would go out the back) but they would re-secure the building until the owner called the wood company to fix the boards the next day. Would it have been fair for them to take that property and tear it down? nope.
Anytime the City starts tearing down buildings in my mind they just want to take over that community. Means they are getting it ready for the "other" folks. And please believe when "they" move in...the crime will be controlled.
southsuburbs
What I Live By...
THey didn't slow the gang problems in NYC and LA...they just moved them to other areas. I read the news for NY every day, they kill just as much but it's not just one city like Chicago.
Why does someone's head have to get smashed in for crime to be controlled?! That' why the City of Chicago is paying out so much money settling lawsuits from the Burge days of forcing confessions from innocent folks. That's why the Death penalty was removed because so many innocent people were on death row from the police "smashing heads" to gain confessions from innocent people. How about they just do their job? How about the government does its job and control the drugs and guns flowing freely into these communities? Or evenly distribute businesses (wealth) throughout the city. Black folks spend money...so why aren't there any real businesses in black communities helping with the tax income?!
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
These mofos are nothing more than KKK and Skinheads wrapped in black skin. That poverty shat don't fly with me. There are broke mofos everywhere that don't act like subhuman animals like these mofos do. :smh:
Chicago honor student Hadiya Pendleton, who participated in Obama inauguration festivities, shot dead just blocks from her school
A 15-year-old Chicago honor student who participated in inaugural events celebrating President Obama's re-election was fatally shot Tuesday just blocks from her school.
Hadiya Pendleton was among approximately a dozen teens taking cover from the rain in a local park at 2:30 p.m. when a gunman jumped a fence and opened fire, according to reports. Pendleton and other King College Prep students had been dismissed from school early due to exams
J C
Well-Known Member
How can you control guns flowing freely into these communities under the current political climate? My cousin who's a convicted felony recently bought a Bushmaster from a gun show. He didn't have to go through a background check and ordered all the ammo he desired over the Internet.
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
How is the government going to keep animal crimminals from being animal crimminals short of just rounding up every known crimminal and holding them indefinitely starting with known gang members. How about truth in sentencing. If a mofo is given 30 years for repeated violent crimes, then let it be 30 years and not 5 with the rest going towards probation. Thats 30 years that nobody will be bothered by that crimminal. Bad azz Byotch go in a 17-20years old and stay there locked up until they 60. Spare me the "rehab" speach for these clowns because it don't work for repeated violaters. That has been proven over and over.
We not even going to get into personal responsibility of the crimminals and the people that actually live in those neighborhoods that are taught that "snitching" is worse than killing. That is the main reason shat is like this in black neighborhoods and cities. White majority mofos see you doing shat in their neighborhoods or cities, they gonna sing like birds in the springtime. A black mofo in a chocolate city or neighborhood is going to turn his head and act like they ain't seen shat and then call people that do call the police "snitch uncle toms.". :smh:
As for businesses in these hoods...spreading the wealth?
Who in their right mind is going to invest millions into a business just to have their business robbed and employees terrorized by the same animals that terrorize the neighborhood. That is the same reason South Jackson is so fugged up. Ain't nobody gonna build shat over there with them fools running wild, kicking people doors in, shooting and killing on a daily basis and jacking mofos getting in and out of cars. People need to stop blamming the government and look in the mirror.
Example
JPD just arrested 3 black mofos Saturday for letting off 15 shoots out of a moving car for no reason in South Jackson off Cooper road. When they stopped them, they found guns and malitof coctails ready for use inside the car. That kind of crap is a everyday occurance over there. How is that the governments fault. :smh:
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Here is the thing. There are more than 59 active gangs in the city with more than 600 different factions. Like, SS said, you can remove gangs from one area, but they are going to move somewhere else.
And you can't overlook economics in this situation either. Poverty plays a huge role. You can go to almost any major city or even mid-sized city and usually the most violent areas have the most folks living at or below the poverty line.
When four women were murdered in a south Tulsa apartment a month ago, our newspaper did an analysis of the area and found that more than 40 percent of individuals and families living in this section of the city were near that poverty threshold.
If poverty didn't matter, why doesn't this level of violence exist on such a large scale in affluent or regular middle class neighborhoods? Why is the violence so rampant in the same places? It's not occurring by happenstance here.
And you can't overlook economics in this situation either. Poverty plays a huge role. You can go to almost any major city or even mid-sized city and usually the most violent areas have the most folks living at or below the poverty line.
When four women were murdered in a south Tulsa apartment a month ago, our newspaper did an analysis of the area and found that more than 40 percent of individuals and families living in this section of the city were near that poverty threshold.
If poverty didn't matter, why doesn't this level of violence exist on such a large scale in affluent or regular middle class neighborhoods? Why is the violence so rampant in the same places? It's not occurring by happenstance here.
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jstate83
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The ingrained mentailty.
Mofos drop out of school or don't do shat in school because they don't want to be considered nerds. Years of cranking out babies with sperm donors and can't even take care of themselves. family members raising their kids to be gang members because they are gangmembers. Young girls dating gangstas in the neighborhood and again, cranking out future gang members before they 16.
I know broke mofos and I'm not that far from it.
I get sick of this "its the system" shat.
When are people going to start looking in the mirror. Stay yo azz in school, sit yo azz down in class and actually learn something instead of going to class acting a fool. When a teacher call a parent, how bout that parent actually show up and actually take a interest in what they kids do instead of showing up 2 days before the end of school, raising all kinds of hell because PEANUT didn't do his schoolwork all year or has cut class 150 days out of 170 and flunked. How bout these same parents not allowing their 12 to 16 year old kids to run the streets at 2,3, 4 in the morning.
Clowns go out and have 5 kids before they 26 and it's the systems fault. Or even worse, 10 mofos they spread their legs for a clown azz c**n like SHORTY LOW and each kid have 9 brothers and sisters with 10 different mothers counting their own mother. We our own worst enemy but when it comes time to lay blame, all people can do is point the finger at "the system" or outsiderss that don't set foot in our neighborhoods to kill, rob, or terrorize one person in our neighborhoods on a daily basis.
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Well, while those examples are very much real, one can't overlook the role government plays in all as well. When you don't invest economically in certain areas of certain cities, where there are no jobs and no money flowing through those communities, then it makes it tough. I mean, you look at some of these areas, there are no grocery stores within miles of folks houses, little access to health care and poor education system. Again, this plight is usually synonymous with low income areas.
Then you examine the school system, where black children, especially black boys, are treated worse and disciplined more harshly and frequently than black girls or kids of other races. And once a black male becomes part of the penal system, his opportunity to make a decent living are greatly reduced.
I had an activist tell me that one felony conviction results in an estimated loss of dozens of job and career opportunities. Few want to hire an ex-con. And we know it is easier for whites to garner second chances than blacks. So what do cats do? Slang and bang. Get that quick dough. As to why cats are having so many kids out of wedlock, it's a number of things. When you don't have a job or career, what else is there for you to do? These people are only following the example set for them by their relatives. This just didn't happen overnight. This is decades of failure on all fronts.
With all that being said, the responsibility falls on the individuals, families, communities and local leaders and governments. But it seems like nobody is willing to seriously rectify the issues. By no means am I overlooking those who don't give a crap about school, getting a job or being responsible. These people get little sympathy.
However, these other points I'm bringing up are very real issues, and factor in what we see today. It's not all these folks fault just like its not all the fault of the system either.
Yeah, we talk about it, march and plea to governments, but at the end of the day the people who can really make a difference won't.
pvdogteam
Who ya rootin' for? PVU
Sky you forgot to add that the schools in certain part of town add to it too. I have seen it first hand my boy's son is being trashed by his psycho arse momma, she has had a mental breakdown or something because she has an MBA used to be a top project manager, now she has dropped out of society, won't work and the system keeps rewarding her with more free stuff like getting her lights paid for and mortgage paid. He pays her $1000 in child support and she all kinds of assistance. Her son was in private school, playing piano making straight A's now she is mad at his dad for not marrying her and she has dragged this kid to 7 different schools in the last year and a half, his latest school he has already missed 30 days of class and the damn teachers gave the kid a 70 on his grades on dates he wasn't even present. She put the boy in a psychiatric hospital to keep him away from seeing his dad and she still keeps the kid? :smh: The way things are set up, he has a dad that cares, but because she has a free lawyer from some women's advocacy group he is about to go broke trying to get custody of his son. His son will end up one of these people if he can't somehow get around all these road blocks to get his son away from his deranged momma :smh:
JROCK
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These mofos are nothing more than KKK and Skinheads wrapped in black skin. That poverty shat don't fly with me. There are broke mofos everywhere that don't act like subhuman animals like these mofos do. :smh:
Chicago honor student Hadiya Pendleton, who participated in Obama inauguration festivities, shot dead just blocks from her school
A 15-year-old Chicago honor student who participated in inaugural events celebrating President Obama's re-election was fatally shot Tuesday just blocks from her school.
Hadiya Pendleton was among approximately a dozen teens taking cover from the rain in a local park at 2:30 p.m. when a gunman jumped a fence and opened fire, according to reports. Pendleton and other King College Prep students had been dismissed from school early due to exams
Look at this beautiful baby gone way too soon behind foolishness.
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JROCK
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Wow
J C
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Preach brother! Ditto!
