College sports' bait and switch (APR)


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College sports' bait and switch
Gerald S. Gurney and Richard M. Southall [ARCHIVE]

Special to ESPN.com | August 9, 2012
Last month, the NCAA announced its latest team Academic Progress Rate (APR) scores, highlighting the institutions whose four-year averages fell below the 900 threshold score. Among the offending teams was notably the University of Connecticut, which will be ineligible for the 2013 NCAA Division I men's basketball championship and must limit its practice time each week by replacing four hours with academic activities.

However, less publicized was that the remaining penalized basketball teams are all low-budgeted, limited-resource institutions or historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs): Arkansas-Pine Bluff, UC Riverside, Cal State Bakersfield, Jacksonville State, Mississippi Valley State, University of North Carolina-

Wilmington, Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, Toledo and Towson. In addition, football teams from Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Texas Southern are banned from competing in postseason competition.

To some observers the lack of high-profile Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) teams among those penalized has raised fundamental questions about the APR's efficacy and fairness. Conversely, some APR supporters have suggested APR success simply indicates some teams have better students than others. These dichotomous perspectives were reflected at last January's NCAA Scholarly Colloquium, where Walter Harrison, president of the University of Hartford and a major architect of the APR, was questioned about the ease with which institutions with financial resources can manipulate APR scores through permissible NCAA adjustments and other strategies. In light of these issues, Harrison was asked if he regarded penalties to underfunded and historically black colleges or universities fair and appropriate. Harrison candidly replied these issues have haunted him for years and assured the audience the NCAA shared his concerns.

http://m.espn.go.com/extra/ncaa/story?storyId=8248046
 
Re: College sports' bait and switch(APR)

the joke majors is the easy way to do it

NCAA knows all these loopholes exist...but until they make a school actually enforce its admission standards on the front end you'll continue to have these loopholes

Joe Blow can't get into SMU without grades but John Doe who can dribble can if they get past the Clearinghouse
 



Re: College sports' bait and switch(APR)

the joke majors is the easy way to do it

NCAA knows all these loopholes exist...but until they make a school actually enforce its admission standards on the front end you'll continue to have these loopholes

Joe Blow can't get into SMU without grades but John Doe who can dribble can if they get past the Clearinghouse

Joe Blow can get into SMU if he got money or connections. LOL. Not all them non athletes are getting in on the up and up. You think any big time booster at SMUs kid can't get in there no matter what?
 
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Joe Blow can get into SMU if he got money or connections. LOL. Not all them non athletes are getting in on the up and up. You think any big time booster at SMUs kid can't get in there no matter what?

The NCAA and universities are trying to clamp down on this. Going through some training for my new job at a university dealing with athletics/compliance/certification and there is zero tolerance.
 
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The NCAA and universities are trying to clamp down on this. Going through some training for my new job at a university dealing with athletics/compliance/certification and there is zero tolerance.

If you believe that, I got some swamp land in the Sahara desert.
If a school want's a particular student-athlete to get in, they will find a way for him to get in.
 
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If you believe that, I got some swamp land in the Sahara desert.
If a school want's a particular student-athlete to get in, they will find a way for him to get in.

Ok...believe what you want. The issue is not getting in but staying in.... But on one end of the spectrum you are correct but for those who want to do the right thing....well let's just say these students better hit the books. Now there are conversations about how administrators, coaches, and faculty can assist student athletes who are falling behind.
 
This article is not a surprise. You think Notre Dame (when they were good) were pulling in cats who had outstanding grades and solid ACT/SAT scores? Heck no.
 
This article is not a surprise. You think Notre Dame (when they were good) were pulling in cats who had outstanding grades and solid ACT/SAT scores? Heck no.

No I don't think so...but the question remains how much are schools willing to risk now?
 
this is some slavery shit here. If you don't go pro....you can end up with a really fugged up life...easy assed courses on the road to no where, no degree, claims of mental problems...you break your leg....shit out of luck....and later, just wonderful for someone reviewing your transcript for a job.
 



this is some slavery shit here. If you don't go pro....you can end up with a really fugged up life...easy assed courses on the road to no where, no degree, claims of mental problems...you break your leg....shit out of luck....and later, just wonderful for someone reviewing your transcript for a job.


Grown men and women need to make grown decisions. Some of us do hit the books and graduate in 4.
 
Correct. Folks kill me acting like they made grown decisions in college. 99% are lucky they never ended up in jail or with a felony or better yet with kids. . Now they have jobs and memory lapses.
My opinion: Many 18 year olds are not grown men and women.
 
Correct. Folks kill me acting like they made grown decisions in college. 99% are lucky they never ended up in jail or with a felony or better yet with kids. . Now they have jobs and memory lapses.


Grown decisions like going to class, actually studying and knowing what classes one needs to graduate? I don't think those are too hard for an 18-22 year old. I had a few teammates that never went class and spent most of their free-time getting high. I have no sympathy for them. They were old enough to know what they were doing would not get them out in time. Every degree program has a curriculum sheet. Not that hard to follow.
 
Grown decisions like going to class, actually studying and knowing what classes one needs to graduate? I don't think those are too hard for an 18-22 year old. I had a few teammates that never went class and spent most of their free-time getting high. I have no sympathy for them. They were old enough to know what they were doing would not get them out in time. Every degree program has a curriculum sheet. Not that hard to follow.

...and they were also grown enough to know they asses weren't going pro. So if they choose to major in "basket weaving" then that's their own fault. :tup:
 
Okay. Aye, get some windex for that mirror bruh. you and ss need some.
Grown decisions like going to class, actually studying and knowing what classes one needs to graduate? I don't think those are too hard for an 18-22 year old. I had a few teammates that never went class and spent most of their free-time getting high. I have no sympathy for them. They were old enough to know what they were doing would not get them out in time. Every degree program has a curriculum sheet. Not that hard to follow.
 
Grown (i.e. old enough) and mature are two different animals. Maturity is the key.



Grown decisions like going to class, actually studying and knowing what classes one needs to graduate? I don't think those are too hard for an 18-22 year old. I had a few teammates that never went class and spent most of their free-time getting high. I have no sympathy for them. They were old enough to know what they were doing would not get them out in time. Every degree program has a curriculum sheet. Not that hard to follow.
 
Okay. Aye, get some windex for that mirror bruh. you and ss need some.


Umm Cee, only one person in my signing class didn't graduate. We might not have won many games but our azzez went to class :lol:. Even the cats who were in remedial classes got their degrees within 6 years (on-time).



Grown (i.e. old enough) and mature are two different animals. Maturity is the key.

At some point, we got to stop babying folks Herb. I dislike this NCAA plantation system as much as the next person. I cringe at what these bigger schools do to hide players in bullcrap programs just like you but at some point, you are responsible for your own destiny. We have 21 year olds serving as low level officers in warzones and responsible for the lives of their troops. It is not irrational to think that a 21 year old can go look up a curriculum sheet and follow it.
 
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Okay. Aye, get some windex for that mirror bruh. you and ss need some.

Huh?! My mirror is clean and I'm okay with what I see when I look at it :tup:

Shyt I knew that I wasn't going to be drafted to the Professional Piccolo Player's Association once I graduated from JState so I knew to study a REAL major and get a REAL degree!! :emlaugh:
 
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