NCAA Announces Penn State Penalties!!!


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I pitty the next school that getscaught cheating or something like 100 plus violations that are directly tied to the team/athletic department. If you thought it was a dictatorship before, man oh man, wait until the shoe drop on some of these schools under investigation and or waiting on punishment now. :eek:
There are precedents already established for "cheating or something like that".
 
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They get into those situations knowing they are not getting PAID. The trade is a free education, the same thing that any other STUDENT gets. They can always opt out and do soemthing else and no one is forcing them to play collegiate sports. And how is this different than the USC case ... Bush and that coach were gone .... the players left and Lane Kiffin had to deal with the punishment because they represented USC at that time. This is nothing different.

Let's pay the coaches in education then and not seven figures a year or in private planes and golf club memberships. Since this is all about amateurism, right? The NCAA is in the business of keeping kids broke. That is their No. 1 job. Their No. 2 job is to punish them over for something they were not involved in.
Kendrick,

When a person argue against the sanctions the NCAA levied against Penn State, it makes people wonder if there's other reasons why that person would make such an argument.

I'm making the argument because the NCAA, according to their own rule book, had no jurisdiction to make such a ruling. Not to mention that entity is historically the most hypocritical one in America.

Those kids at Penn State didn't do anything wrong for them to be denied the opportunity to play for a national championship for the next four years just like those kids at USC didn't do anything wrong for them to be denied the same opportunity.
 



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There are precedents already established for "cheating or something like that".

Well............ :lol:
You got a new measuring stick now. Get as many violation as Bamma State did last time and they will make ya'll tear that brand new stadium down. The term "lack of institution control" under what just happened today by the NCAA is the new way of issuing the death penalty without shutting down a program and locking the doors. A $3 million fine would have any of us playinf D3 sports. :lol:
 
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not an NCAA violation.... a criminal matter but not a NCAA matter. For example if 10 football players rap a college student.... that is a criminal matter... the NCAA isnt going to punish the school.


DaHill, you are correct but that is a CLEAR CUT situation. In your simple example, the NCAA has no business getting involved.

BUT the NCAA should get involved IF, two or three girls got gang raped by 10 football players (ok, throw an asst coach in there) and the head coach and AD knew about it, had some high up alums to pay the girls off and went on with life as if it never happened. Now, you not only have a criminal case but you have violated MANY of those rules that MH posted that pertain to ethics. Ethics is not just applied in the NCAA to recruiting, sportsmanship, etc.. it also applied to citizenship. This was not a simple case. This was a cover up that involved THE most powerful people on that campus. So much so, that it even appears that the cops and others were too afraid of the backlash to handle this head on. I recall when this first broke that mother said the she reported Sandusky herself to the cops and nothing was done. I'm sure that no one around Penn State connected with the football program could get arrested.

When you hire people in your athletic program, you are responsible for their actions and they are subject to NCAA punishment.
 
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here you go

NCAA Constitution References

2.1 Scope of Responsibility.

The institution's responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.

2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.

For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to:

(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and

(b) Educate, on a continuing basis, all constituencies about the policies in this article.

6.01.1 Institutional Control.

The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

6.4 Responsibilities for Actions of Outside Entities.

6.4.1 Independent Agencies or Organizations.

An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of an independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration, or an athletics department staff member, has knowledge that such agency, corporate entity or other organization is promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program.

6.4.2 Representatives of Athletics Interests.

An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of individuals, a corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration or an athletics department staff member has knowledge or should have knowledge that such an individual, corporate entity or other organization:

(a) Has participated in or is a member of an agency or organization as described in Constitution 6.4.1;

(b) Has made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

(c) Has been requested by the athletics department staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes or is assisting in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;

(d) Has assisted or is assisting in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes; or

(e) Is otherwise involved in promoting the institution's athletics program.

6.4.2.1 Agreement to Provide Benefit or Privilege.

Any agreement between an institution (or any organization that promotes, assists or augments in any way the athletics interests of the member institution, including those identified per Constitution 6.4.1) and an individual who, for any consideration, is or may be entitled under the terms of the agreement to any benefit or privilege relating to the institution's athletics program, shall contain a specific clause providing that any such benefit or privilege may be withheld if the individual has engaged in conduct that is determined to be a violation of NCAA legislation. The clause shall provide for the withholding of the benefit or privilege from a party to the agreement and any other person who may be entitled to a benefit or privilege under the terms of the agreement.

6.4.2.2 Retention of Identity as "Representative."

Any individual participating in the activities set forth in Constitution 6.4.2 shall be considered a "representative of the institution's athletics interests," and once so identified as a representative, it is presumed the person retains that identity.
Division I Bylaw References

10.01.1 Honesty and sportsmanship.

Individuals employed by (or associated with) a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics and all participating student-athletes shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports.

10.1 Unethical Conduct.

Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work, may include, but is not limited to, the following:

(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual's institution;

(b) Knowing involvement in arranging for fraudulent academic credit or false transcripts for a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete;

(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement or extra benefit or improper financial aid;

(d) Knowingly furnishing or knowingly influencing others to furnish the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning an individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;

(e) Receipt of benefits by an institutional staff member for facilitating or arranging a meeting between a student-athlete and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent or advisor (e.g., "runner");

(f) Knowing involvement in providing a banned substance or impermissible supplement to student-athletes, or knowingly providing medications to student-athletes contrary to medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care in sports medicine practice, or state and federal law. This provision shall not apply to banned substances for which the student-athlete has received a medical exception per Bylaw 31.2.3.5; however, the substance must be provided in accordance with medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care and state or federal law;

(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or an institution's admissions office regarding an individual's academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of coursework, grades and test scores);

(h) Fraudulence or misconduct in connection with entrance or placement examinations;

(i) Engaging in any athletics competition under an assumed name or with intent to otherwise deceive; or

(j) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or the institution's athletics department regarding an individual's amateur status.

11.1.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.

Individuals employed by or associated with a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports. (See Bylaw 10 for more specific ethical-conduct standards.)

11.1.2.1 Responsibility of Head Coach.

It shall be the responsibility of an institution's head coach to promote an atmosphere for compliance within the program supervised by the coach and to monitor the activities regarding compliance of all assistant coaches and other administrators involved with the program who report directly or indirectly to the coach.

19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.

Did you read all this? Could you point out the specific part that relates to this?
 
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Did you read all this? Could you point out the specific part that relates to this?

I sure as hell wasn't about to read all of that, but the very fact that Mark Emmert had to get special permission from the NCAA board to put these penalties in place is proof that they didn't have rules in place to do this.
 
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Is hoarding a child molester unethical?

10.1 Unethical Conduct.

Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work, may include, but is not limited to, the following:

Dude, this is sports related ethics. LOL!!
 
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Crazy thing is this.... they held off punishing individuals until the criminal cases are finalized. Isn't the school being penalized NOW for the actions of those same individuals?
 
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All ya'll talking about unethical conduct fail to realize that the NCAA one of the most unethical organizations in this country.

It restricts student-athletes from earning one dime while in school with some B.S. idea of amateurism.Then it punishes 80-something football players for the next four years for crimes none of them committed.

Ok, but what does that have to do with the case at hand. Comments like this show that ya'll who LOST the argument are "running out".
 
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Speaking anonymously to ESPN, a former prominent NCAA official said, "This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried. It’s unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow (the NCAA president and executive board) have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct."
 
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2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.

For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.


What exactly about the part in bold is confusing to ya'll?

SOG: he had to get special permission becasue this is a special case and THEY ADMITTEDLY handled this case differently. Normally, the NCAA holds their own investigation but they acknowledged that with the number of witness and 3 MILLION e-mails, that this report was more thorough than any NCAA investigation.
 
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Eddie Robinson's son, Eddie Robinson Jr., however, is conflicted about the NCAA's decision to strip Paterno of wins.
"It is hard to be happy about something that occurred through someone else demise," Robinson Jr. said. "I don't know if I could be happy about it."

Being a former athlete himself, Robinson Jr. said he could understand the somber emotions current and former Penn State players might be experiencing in attempting to come to grips with their on-field achievements now stricken from the record books.

"If I were a (Penn State) player, I would be asking people what did that (child molestation) have to do with me? "My heart goes out to the victims and the Paterno family."

http://www.tspnsports.com/2012/07/2...s-eddie-robinson-now-all-time-wins-leader.htm
 
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Ok, but what does that have to do with the case at hand. Comments like this show that ya'll who LOST the argument are "running out".

If that makes you feel better fine. However, (and I want it to be clear that I don't feel sorry for Penn State) the argument can be made that Penn State did abide by the rules set by the NCAA. They didn't break any NCAA rules. Members of the school broke the LAW. Once you all understand the difference you will be on your well to living a better life. :lol:
 



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2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.

For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.

MH, that statement in bold is so broad and general, you can drive a Mack truck through it.
 
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MH posted this at the end of his thesis above. The NCAA people are not dumb. I am sure that many lawyers are tied in with them. Heck, they even knew to get Penn State to sign that consent that Penn State lawyers agreed with so that ya'll who don't agree can STFU.. 'cause it's over.

Now if you all want to keep arguing about this, don't read this part of what MH posted..

19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.

Case closed. :lol:

What else can ya'll say! Please speak now or forever hold your peace. What you got to say about that SOG? Thought so. Now, ya'll should know that anything MH, TP and JRock can agree on something, we are either right or the 2012 predicitions of the Mayans is correct. :lol:
 
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If that makes you feel better fine. However, (and I want it to be clear that I don't feel sorry for Penn State) the argument can be made that Penn State did abide by the rules set by the NCAA. They didn't break any NCAA rules. Members of the school broke the LAW.
2.1 Scope of Responsibility.

The institution's responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members
 
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MH, that statement in bold is so broad and general, you can drive a Mack truck through it.

LOL. it's so broad that it covers ALL the NCAA penalties levied. But wait til you read the last thing I just posted. :lol: The NCAA has the right to do what they want and it's in their by-laws and it's approved by the college presidents and they acted accordingly.
 
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If that makes you feel better fine. However, (and I want it to be clear that I don't feel sorry for Penn State) the argument can be made that Penn State did abide by the rules set by the NCAA. They didn't break any NCAA rules. Members of the school broke the LAW. Once you all understand the difference you will be on your well to living a better life. :lol:

You won't even READ the NCAA laws to see that you are WRONG! Yeah they broke the law AND they broke NCAA by-laws.
 
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2.1 Scope of Responsibility.

The institution's responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members

So was it unethical for ASu to take Joe Reed's name off that building? Should yall be penalized for that?

How about if that guy does something else to get in trouble?

How about Bobby Petrino's thing at Arkansas?

etc....
 
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So was it unethical for ASu to take Joe Reed's name off that building? ?

etc....
so, its an NCAA rule on what a school can name a campus bldg?
:retard:

you're way better than that jag,

but then again, like TP said, yall "running out" and just saying anything now
:lol:
 
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