Penn State's football problem deserves a football penalty - the death penalty


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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/07/penn_states_football_problem_d.html#incart_river_default

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - Now that Louis Freeh has spoken, it's Mark Emmert's turn.

Now that the former FBI director has shined a light into the dark heart of the Penn State football pro*gram, it's time for the NCAA president to line up the fir*ing squad.

Set a precedent worth set*ting.

Unleash the enforcement staff, armed with the Freeh report, to finish document*ing the worst lack of institu*tional control on record.

Empower the members of the infractions committee to judge the worst scandal in the history of college sports.

Give them the liberty to give Penn State death.

Pay the coaches what they're owed and allow the players to transfer without restriction, but this program has to be destroyed before it can be rebuilt. It has to be destroyed because, as the Freeh report details, pro*tecting and preserving it led the most powerful men on campus to cover for a monster, a child molester named Jerry Sandusky, who not coincidentally happened to be the long-time beloved defensive coordinator.

"Four of the most powerful people at the Pennsylvania State University failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade," the report said. "These men concealed Sandusky's activities from the board of trustees, the university community and the authorities."

Those four co-conspirators: university President Graham Spanier, Vice President Gary Schultz, Athletics Director Tim Curley and head football coach Joe Paterno.

What was their motivation? "To avoid the consequences of bad publicity."

Has a college football program ever used its power for a more sick and twisted reason?

Paterno, who's been disgraced since his death as much as he was celebrated during most of his life, wrote a letter before he passed. As he'd done for decades on matters big and small, dictating everything from uniform design to discipline, he tried to control the message of Sandusky's deviant and criminal behavior.

"This is not a football scandal and should not be treated as one," Paterno wrote, but for once, he didn't get the last word.

Freeh did. His report, all 267 pages of it, commissioned and financed by Penn State, outlined in painstaking and painful detail what can happen when a football program becomes "a closed community . . . an island where staff members live by their own rules."

This is very much a football scandal that, after the legal and financial pipers are paid, deserves a football remedy, too.


Read the words of Janitor B, one of the custodial workers in one of the football buildings. He witnessed Sandusky and a young boy leaving a shower holding hands the same night a co-worker saw Sandusky sexually assault the young boy in the shower.

Neither of the janitors that saw Sandusky during or after his crime reported it. Why not?

"I know Paterno has so much power, if he wanted to get rid of someone, I would have been gone," Janitor B said. "Football runs this university."
 
I disagree. This has nothing to do with play on the field or illegal recruiting. The proper folks are handling the situation which are the judicial system and law enforcement. NCAA needs to keep it's hands off.

Why punish hundreds of thousands of folks for something men did behind closed doors without knowledge from the public?
Punish the ones who are guilty and don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
 



I disagree. This has nothing to do with play on the field or illegal recruiting. The proper folks are handling the situation which are the judicial system and law enforcement. NCAA needs to keep it's hands off.

Why punish hundreds of thousands of folks for something men did behind closed doors without knowledge from the public?
Punish the ones who are guilty and don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Say it again! :tup:
 
The accreditation board needs to step in. SACs or who ever accredits that area. The school is responsible and it had no true leadership. If this had been a HBCU, SACs would have shut us down and took our accreditation for no control of the school!!! Wake up people, don't be blind all of your life!!! Is sports all you folks care about? No wonder we have generations of dumb kids on this earth in our community and the population of dummies is growing!!!!
 
The accreditation board needs to step in. SACs or who ever accredits that area. The school is responsible and it had no true leadership. If this had been a HBCU, SACs would have shut us down and took our accreditation for no control of the school!!! Wake up people, don't be blind all of your life!!! Is sports all you folks care about? No wonder we have generations of dumb kids on this earth in our community and the population of dummies is growing!!!!

What does the accreditation of the school have to do with Joe Pa and the board at that time covering up a child molester?
 
I find it funny that EVERYTHING is being discussed EXCEPT vacating Penn State's wins dating back to this incident. You want to discuss a death penalty but not vacating wins.

Interesting...."Jafus"
 
What does the accreditation of the school have to do with Joe Pa and the board at that time covering up a child molester?



:lol: yeah CEE went crazy with that. He wants the kids to have worthless degrees over what Sandusky did. We can't let Sandusky win. At first, I was on Joe Pa's side but now, I can't defend him anymore. He knew and there was a simple solution... send Sandusky to Alabama.
 
The Sandusky stuff is uber foul, BUT IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ON-THE-FIELD PERFORMANCE, WINS, LOSSES OR DISALLOWED ADVANTAGES UNDER THE SCOPE OF NCAA POLICY.

Also, the Sandusky stuff will come under the Jeanne Clery Act (Federal law), because of failure to report criminal acts by university officials. Clery Act violations have NOTHING to do with accreditation.

Now if it comes out that Sandusky was trading sexual favors for scholarships, playing time or performance ON THE FIELD, then that falls under the scope of NCAA policy, then they can slap the program for lack of institutional control.

Actually, FAMU came under SACS review because of the financial aid fiasco surrounding the band, not just because of the drum major's death.
 
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What does the accreditation of the school have to do with Joe Pa and the board at that time covering up a child molester?

Man you don't think do you? The same thing that SACs gave an ear to FAMU for the death of a drum major. Lack of institutional control. The school know what was happening and turned a blind ear.
 
I find it funny that EVERYTHING is being discussed EXCEPT vacating Penn State's wins dating back to this incident. You want to discuss a death penalty but not vacating wins.

Interesting...."Jafus"

POW!!!! And from the tone of many posters...they don't seem to REALLY want a severe penalty. I mean, Sandusky goes to jail for years...those others will go to jail...but "its really not a football issue"...just happened that the pervert was a "football issue", the man controlling what was done to the pervert was a "football issue" and it was because it was a football issue that directives were given to the higher ups on how the "football controllers" planned to handle it. But...its not a "football issue" really... :smh: STRIP HIS ASS.
 
:lol: yeah CEE went crazy with that. He wants the kids to have worthless degrees over what Sandusky did. We can't let Sandusky win. At first, I was on Joe Pa's side but now, I can't defend him anymore. He knew and there was a simple solution... send Sandusky to Alabama.

Well they want it done to our schools. Tooth for a tooth, eye for an eye.
 
Man you don't think do you? The same thing that SACs gave an ear to FAMU for the death of a drum major. Lack of institutional control. The school know what was happening and turned a blind ear.

And the band can't perform for a year or so, right? Might get disbanded if they find enough corruption...school board officials announced this independently of FAMU's staff, right? So...what makes Penn St. so different besides....:idea: CASH??
 
POW!!!! And from the tone of many posters...they don't seem to REALLY want a severe penalty. I mean, Sandusky goes to jail for years...those others will go to jail...but "its really not a football issue"...just happened that the pervert was a "football issue", the man controlling what was done to the pervert was a "football issue" and it was because it was a football issue that directives were given to the higher ups on how the "football controllers" planned to handle it. But...its not a "football issue" really... :smh: STRIP HIS ASS.

Please tell me how this is a football issue. Expound please. Joe Pa help to cover up for a sick bastard molesting children had nothing to do with football.
 
FAMU situation/Penn State situation

Apples/Oranges

Two coverups and cultures coddling to a part of the school the fans and administrators and students allowed to become "bigger than the school."

However, two totally different scenarios with different legal ramifications.
 



And the band can't perform for a year or so, right? Might get disbanded if they find enough corruption...school board officials announced this independently of FAMU's staff, right? So...what makes Penn St. so different besides....:idea: CASH??

Apples to Oranges. If the players were involved in any misconduct or inappropriate behavior, then yes. The NCAA should be conducting a full investigation.
 
And the band can't perform for a year or so, right? Might get disbanded if they find enough corruption...school board officials announced this independently of FAMU's staff, right? So...what makes Penn St. so different besides....:idea: CASH??

My point!! Either the football program be disbanded for a year or the school gets hit with lack of institutional control. These same folks wanted FAMU in deep trouble, now they wanna protect PSU.
 
Apples to Oranges. If the players were involved in any misconduct or inappropriate behavior, then yes. The NCAA should be conducting a full investigation.

What? So okay penalize some band geeks and the director, but let the football program slide by?
 
NCAA needs to keep it's hands off.
No it shouldn't. This cover up was in place so Penn State football could keep being the cash cow that it was. I'm sure the NCAA has some policies/standards on ethics for its member schools. And I'm sure this large scale, long time cover up by top officials violated it. If this aint a case of lack of institutional control.....
 
Please tell me how this is a football issue. Expound please. Joe Pa help to cover up for a sick bastard molesting children had nothing to do with football.

He was the coach. The AD, the board and the Pres hide it. Okay, if you and I are out and I commit a crime, you don't do naything about it and cover it up, you are guilty. Association is part of the deal.
 
Please explain how?
FAMU situation/Penn State situation

Apples/Oranges

Two coverups and cultures coddling to a part of the school the fans and administrators and students allowed to become "bigger than the school."

However, two totally different scenarios with different legal ramifications.
 
No it shouldn't. This cover up was in place so Penn State football could keep being the cash cow that it was. I'm sure the NCAA has some policies/standards on ethics for its member schools. And I'm sure this large scale, long time cover up by top officials violated it. If this aint a case of lack of institutional control.....

man these folks can't be this naive. Football was the reason. Joe Pa was football. They covered up so the football team could be protected.
 
FAMU situation/Penn State situation

Apples/Oranges

Two coverups and cultures coddling to a part of the school the fans and administrators and students allowed to become "bigger than the school."

However, two totally different scenarios with different legal ramifications.

Nope...crimes were committed both places--on campus and off-- and people will go to jail. Sandusky had the ability, the venues, the fox watching the hen house....they can connect the dots and make you understand these are really all apples and all oranges if you reverse the scenarios. Coach at FAMU f*cking minors in the shower while they scream...FAMU would be dismantled. WOULD have been finalized by now no matter what an alum said.
 
Apples to Oranges. If the players were involved in any misconduct or inappropriate behavior, then yes. The NCAA should be conducting a full investigation.

Man Phreeze, thank you for agreeing with me.


If FAMU's band (or Southern's band) were NCAA-sanctioned unit, then under the multiple offender rules, they would've been subjected to the "death penalty." No schollies, no TV.

However, since the band is NOT an NCAA-sanctioned unit, NCAA rules do not apply.

However, FAMU and Penn State could be on the hook for Clery Act violations if the US Department of Education determines they withheld information regarding crimes.
 
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