SUjagTILLiDIE
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2 junior days, 7 on 7, and a coaches clinic. SU has been doing the 7 on 7 for years on years.
HBCUs: The Backup Plan for D1 Knuckleheads
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There are some things that we need to realize. Ability rises itself to the level of competition. Once we realize and understand this and support (e.g. donate) to our schools, then we will have a better chance of getting better players.
If we looked at the last 20-25 years alone, it is not an accident that players like Michael Strahan, Steve, McNair, Lindsey Hunter or Eddie Robinson made it to the pros.
As for the draft notice that it was once 12 rounds 20 years ago. It went to eight when free agency came to the NFL and is now seven rounds. Quite a few players sign as free agents right after the draft.
Sure, the bigger schools have bigger recruiting budgets. However, there is no law that a player must go to an FBS school to make it in the pros.
If we looked at the last 20-25 years alone, it is not an accident that players like Michael Strahan, Steve, McNair, Lindsey Hunter or Eddie Robinson made it to the pros.
As for the draft notice that it was once 12 rounds 20 years ago. It went to eight when free agency came to the NFL and is now seven rounds. Quite a few players sign as free agents right after the draft.
Sure, the bigger schools have bigger recruiting budgets. However, there is no law that a player must go to an FBS school to make it in the pros.
SUJagFan
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Hmmm.
Ability rises itself to the level of competition. If this is true, then it would be logical for talented players to want to compete with and against other talented players. With the most talented competing against the most talented and then trickling down to the various levels of schools based upon the quality of competition.
Quality of competition would seem to be the primary factor in attracting quality athletes in this environment. Recruiting budgets, though valuable, wouldn't be a major factor. Nor would where a player's parent attended college. Calling a kid a sellout for not wanting to compete with and against lesser talent is senseless. He would be selling out himself if he did that.
I agree with the premise that ability rises itself to the level of competition. While it's true that it is possible to make it to the pros in a less competitive environment, it is not likely that will happen.
If HBCUs seriously want to improve their football prospects, it is going to start with improving quality of play. Higher quality play will attract higher quality athletes. Which will allow you to compete and win against higher quality competition. And, thus, raise the quality of individual football programs and the quality of the SWAC as a whole.
Ability rises itself to the level of competition. If this is true, then it would be logical for talented players to want to compete with and against other talented players. With the most talented competing against the most talented and then trickling down to the various levels of schools based upon the quality of competition.
Quality of competition would seem to be the primary factor in attracting quality athletes in this environment. Recruiting budgets, though valuable, wouldn't be a major factor. Nor would where a player's parent attended college. Calling a kid a sellout for not wanting to compete with and against lesser talent is senseless. He would be selling out himself if he did that.
I agree with the premise that ability rises itself to the level of competition. While it's true that it is possible to make it to the pros in a less competitive environment, it is not likely that will happen.
If HBCUs seriously want to improve their football prospects, it is going to start with improving quality of play. Higher quality play will attract higher quality athletes. Which will allow you to compete and win against higher quality competition. And, thus, raise the quality of individual football programs and the quality of the SWAC as a whole.
It is either rises or raises. Anyway, it is not an accident that small college players still make it to the professional ranks. If the statement was false, then small college players would not make it to the pros. Or it would be purely an accident that they (e.g. Pierre Garçon) would. One problem is that many 18-year old kids and their parents do not understand that.
It cost money to recruit. Recruit visits to the athlete's home, visits to the school by the athlete, information that is sent to the athlete are some of the things that cost a school money. College coaches spend a lot of time recruiting, and it costs money.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/8041461/the-cost-recruiting
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One Look at College Recruiting Budgets
Written by Tom Dienhart, BTN.com Senior Writer posted on
1/24/12 @ 12:00pm
in Football, Tom Dienhart
Recruiting is the lifeblood of programs, which is why schools spend thousands of dollars in the pursuit of talent. The BusinessofCollegeSports.com recently listed total recruiting expenses for men’s and women’s sports from 2010-11.
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It cost money to recruit. Recruit visits to the athlete's home, visits to the school by the athlete, information that is sent to the athlete are some of the things that cost a school money. College coaches spend a lot of time recruiting, and it costs money.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/8041461/the-cost-recruiting
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One Look at College Recruiting Budgets
Written by Tom Dienhart, BTN.com Senior Writer posted on
1/24/12 @ 12:00pm
in Football, Tom Dienhart
Recruiting is the lifeblood of programs, which is why schools spend thousands of dollars in the pursuit of talent. The BusinessofCollegeSports.com recently listed total recruiting expenses for men’s and women’s sports from 2010-11.
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SUJagFan
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I'm not saying the premise is wrong. I actually agree with it. Ability does rise to the level of competition.
I'm just saying because it is true, it is unreasonable to expect the most talented players to go to HBCUs to play lower level of competition.
Recruiting is important, but you have to have something to recruit to. If high level competition is what draws the best players, then you can recruit a guy 24/7/365 and he's not going to go play with low-level competition. Yes, recruiting is important. But, HBCUs are going to have to raise the level of play in order to attract better players.
I'm just saying because it is true, it is unreasonable to expect the most talented players to go to HBCUs to play lower level of competition.
Recruiting is important, but you have to have something to recruit to. If high level competition is what draws the best players, then you can recruit a guy 24/7/365 and he's not going to go play with low-level competition. Yes, recruiting is important. But, HBCUs are going to have to raise the level of play in order to attract better players.
In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
Au contrairie mes amie. We are a product of our GREAT independent school district. THAT is where the foundation was laid. I know you know absolutely nothing of what I speak because more than naught, you matriculated through a segregated predominantly black and prolly subpar academically inferior educational system. :swink: I know I'm right. You sound the part. lol The word "competitivity" sends a shrill down your spine, eh?Man... open enrollment... tsk, tsk, tsk... just... damned dumb. :retard:
OK Mr. So Called "Superior" Intellect :retard: .
Some of the same people who are HBCU products will degrade, belittle, besmirch HBCUs with a quickness, even their own alma mater.
Mr. Super Brain. That quote applies to you. Going back and forth with you would be pointless so I won't waste my font. Like I told you before, when you can work on not belittling your own school then come holler at me but your silly pride and hurt feelings won't allow that.
Your type (along with a lot of the JSU posters on here) make me sick to my stomach.
DallasCowboyGirl
The Olympian
Bingo...you get it did you play sports!
SUJagFan
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No, I didn't play college sports. But, I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express ... uh ... a while back. :lol:
DallasCowboyGirl
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Those athletes you have name were of exceptional talent and I can guarantee you that they didn't ended up at our HBCU's because they turned down offers to the SEC's Big 12's Pac 10/12 ect or because their parents went to one...it was grades (Strahan had only played one year of highschool ball coming from Germany...so who was going to take a risk with him)....Our kids are getting to the Pro's one or three every decade and not as 1-6 round draft picks because the nfl do not respect our level of play but we happen to get a few diamonds from time to time!
Robber
Consigliere
Lindsey wasn't a top prospect. He developed into a stud. McNair, on the other hand, turned down a ton of offers from SEC, ACC, Independents because they all wanted him to play DB (he broke the state record for most INTs in a career). McNair wanted to play QB, and Alcorn was cool with that. Since his bother Fred played QB at Alcorn, it was that much easier. Far as I can remember, grades were never an issue.
DallasCowboyGirl
The Olympian
Okay Rob go with that myth!
Robber
Consigliere
Myth??? McNair played as a true freshman dear. That means he qualified to play immediately. He didn't have to sit a year. He wanted to play QB, and they wanted him to play DB.
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
This is a fact McNair was one of the best DBs in Mississippi....Bobby Bowden tried to get him at Florida State!
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Robber
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Miami, all Mississippi FBS schools, Florida, LSU, Ohio State, etc... Everybody wanted him. As a DB.
I still say, if McNair had played RB, he'd have been the greatest of all time.
JR
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That's actually true DCG. I went to HS with one of Mac's cousins. Steve was all world at QB and DB. Bobby Bowden wanted Steve badly, but as Robber said to play DB. Steve set the Ms all time INT record as a DB in HS. Bobby already had Charlie Ward at the time so he didn't recruit Steve as a DB. All the state schools wanted him too. Steve had his offers. He didn't have to go to Alcorn. Now maybe to play QB he did because those dummies thought he was raw at that position. But he could have played somewhere at the FBS level as a DB.
We had a WR a few years ago who's little brother will be your son's team mate at LSU to have an offer from Colorado. But there were all kinds of trouble and allegations up there with that coaching staff, so his parents decided he would be better off going to SU. Gerard Landry is his name. I am sure he toasted TxSU a few times in his career at SU.
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Panther88
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My "type" is something you should feel privileged would even grace to be in your presence. We have to dumb ourselves down in order to communicate w/ you people.
It's okay son. I know you were one of those "open-enrollment" :retard: people. Did you even test w/ SAT/ACT? :emlaugh: Bigger question... did you even graduate from your precious lil' "hbcu" smaller than my old high school? lol :smh: :shame: Also, you cannot even <b>begin</b> to THINK you're anywhere close to summa cum level to even THINK you could go "back and forth." Little boy, I've been mentally trouncing dumb ass people like you for a loooooooooooooong time, regardless of ethnicity. :swink: :bowdown: :clap: :tup: I gives ZERO respect and you certainly won't get a pass from moi just because you're "black." :retard: I feel like a college grad speaking w/ an elementary-level 3rd grader right about now. :smh: Go hold hands w/ one of these other ne.groes and sing kum-bah-yah. I'm not that type of black person who holds hands w/ anyone, ever. :|
JR
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Yep. I remember all that. Steve had offers to play DB by many schools. Bobby Bowden wanted Steve in the worse way. LOL.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
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I understand that it is a slim chance to expect blue chip athletes to come to our schools with the way things are now. One problem is that our schools did not do much (raising money, facilities, and public relations) in competition against other schools, big and small, the last few decades. For too long they stood pat in my opinion.
I know that schools should have a reason for an athlete to come. In order to raise the level of play, it helps to have facilities. Look at the “arms race” when it comes to facilities with big schools. It also helps to have a recruiting budget to be able to get the players.
In an interview Mack Brown has with former college coach Jackie Sherrill, he said, “If you can’t win on signing day, you can’t win on game day.” It was not the first time I have heard that statement.
Recruiting is a selling process (in academics too). With what has happened the last few decades in athletics, the selling process has gotten a lot tougher for our schools.
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