A Real Conversation About Your Child and Athletics


I don't know who has lied to you, but Ivy league schools aren't what you make them out to be.

Who mentioned Ivy League schools? I wouldn't send my kids to the Ivy leagues unless they were get a political science degree honestly and on full scholarship at that.

but all schools are not created equal... You won't get into Spelman with a 2.5 and 16 ACT score. I would not send my kid to a school with a less than 25% on-time graduation rate.
 
I agree all schools are not created equal, but all have flaws and dummies who slip by. :tup:

Who mentioned Ivy League schools? I wouldn't send my kids to the Ivy leagues unless they were get a political science degree honestly and on full scholarship at that.

but all schools are not created equal... You won't get into Spelman with a 2.5 and 16 ACT score. I would not send my kid to a school with a less than 25% on-time graduation rate.
 



I thought Tuskegee had the only Vet school among HBCUs. When I was hauling my boy across the southern U.S. one summer to programs at Xavier and Tuskegee I met a guy from San Antonio and he said there were only two Vet schools in the nation and Tuskegee had one.



PV doesn't have a Vet school. The College of Agriculture used to have an Animal Science program but if you want to be a Vet you'll have to go to a school that offers Veterinary Medicine.
 
I know on the smack board we talk a lot stuff about crap to get a laugh, to joke, etc... So let's be serious for a moment.

If you had a son who was a blue chip QB, 6'5'', 225 pounds, runs a 4.4, 3.5 GPA, 25 on the ACT, very disciplined, and you are not trying to pimp your child out for money from a school. Would you still send him to your HBCU for sake of tradition and your love for that school; or would you encourage him to attend a top university?

Wherever my child wants to go.(preferrably Florida or Southern) lol.
 
Well a few years ago my son told me that PV was on his list of schools to go to for playing sports. Since that time he went to several camps and visits to different schools. He went to football combines by Nike, Under Armour and National Underclassman. He won awards in those combines and was invited to other selected camps by them also. He made it to the Top Prospects Combine, which is one of the top exclusive camps to go to. In the end, it really came down to 2 schools. He missed out on one because the coaches that was recruiting him left the school to go somewhere else and it then became a numbers game. DCG's son and my son went to a lot of the same camps over the few years too. My son had a NCSA Profile and only 1 other Swac school took a look at him besides PV.

I am proud to say that my son will be taking his talents to a HBCU next fall and the HBCU will be Prairie View A&M University.

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Congratulations, both you and your son.
 
Well a few years ago my son told me that PV was on his list of schools to go to for playing sports. Since that time he went to several camps and visits to different schools. He went to football combines by Nike, Under Armour and National Underclassman. He won awards in those combines and was invited to other selected camps by them also. He made it to the Top Prospects Combine, which is one of the top exclusive camps to go to. In the end, it really came down to 2 schools. He missed out on one because the coaches that was recruiting him left the school to go somewhere else and it then became a numbers game. DCG's son and my son went to a lot of the same camps over the few years too. My son had a NCSA Profile and only 1 other Swac school took a look at him besides PV.

I am proud to say that my son will be taking his talents to a HBCU next fall and the HBCU will be Prairie View A&M University.

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If my child gets a scholarship and we have talked about his future with and/or without atheltics, he can go anywhere he/she wants. I will tell him/her if his school happens to come up against my alma mater though .... His/her mom is cheering for him/her that day.

However, if I'm paying and everything else is the same as above, he has about 117 choices because like I did and so many others have before him, he/she can succeed greatly coming from an HBCU.

One thing though ... my children will know everything they need to know about Southern from experiencing it with their parents and grandparents. That is a MUST!


@ SU Jag 79.......:tup:

Founder, this is a good question, and the responses are very interesting......


I think it's every parents' dream and desire for our children to follow in our footsteps and attend our college alma mater. And every parent wants the very best for their child and wants to see them succeed. However, I can honestly say that IF my children wanted to attend a pwc, I wouldn't be happy. That would be a hard pill for me to swallow, and I'd have to do a lot of praying and soul-searching to get to the place where I personally would be happy about their choice. While neither of my girls are athletes and I wasn't one either, we all know and have seen/heard how pwc's treat Black athletes. The majority of pwc's treat those who can score TDs or dunk well or run relays or swing a bat like kings/queens, and as long as the team is winning, the Black athletes are socially accepted and welcomed into the fold. But these Black athletes (most) are not receiving a good, quality education in the classroom from their professors because the school does not care about their success in the classroom. Most pwcs are not concerned whether athletes (Black and white...but particularly Black) can grasp the concept, theory, and principles of their studies, as most athletes are expected to perform well on the field and emphasis/priority is placed on that. When it comes to academics, most Black athletes fall through the cracks. But the other side is when these Black athletes have an off game or get in a slump, they are thrown to the dogs, and don't let some get into trouble.....most pwcs will kick them out without so much as a second chance.

I agree with pvdogteam.....academics come first, and too many athletes and their parents forget about the "student" aspect in "student athlete". I see and know A LOT of AAs who have the mentality that pwc's are the way to go for success. And other AAs are so intrigued by pwc's, the name, the location to the point where they believe an education from these colleges is top quality and that the degree is more sought by companies. But white aint always right. I tell my girls that an education is one of the most priceless, most cherished things you can gain while on this earth. Once you have it, no one can take it from you, and it is with you forever. Education is what will take you further in life, and if you are smart, you will be smart at ANY college. But I believe that HBCUs are more nurturing when it comes to academics, and from experience, I know that professors at HBCUs do care and want to see students learn and prosper and succeed. At HBCUs, students aren't just a number, but they fit in and are part of a family of like-minded people who share similar backgrounds, similiar struggles, yet also share the same ambitions, dreams, goals. I wanted my girls to be in an atmosphere where they can relate to people like them while on the same path to success as their classmates.

Since ages 3&4, my girls have been exposed to UAPB. In addition to football & basketball games, my girls have attended alumni assemblies, Founder's Day celebrations, and also attend my alumni meetings. When I volunteer/serve UAPB at various functions, my girls are there to see me work and give back to my alma mater. I want both to understand that in addition to receiving a quality education, it is important to give back and keep the legacy of the school flowing. Although one child goes to Southern and one child wants to go to an HBCU in Texas, their exposure to UAPB gave them a better appreciation of higher learning and the education they can receive from an HBCU; because they've seen and talked with so many prominent citizens who were former HBCU grads, they know that they too can be just as successful attending and graduating from an HBCU. And because of each child's major and future career choices and academic curriculum, both of my girls made the choice to attend HBCUs. And I am very, very proud of their choices.

Fiyah, congratulations to your son. I know you and your wife are very, very proud of him!
 
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I think it's every parents' dream and desire for our children to follow in our footsteps and attend our college alma mater. And every parent wants the very best for their child and wants to see them succeed. However, I can honestly say that IF my children wanted to attend a pwc, I wouldn't be happy. That would be a hard pill for me to swallow, and I'd have to do a lot of praying and soul-searching to get to the place where I personally would be happy about their choice. While neither of my girls are athletes and I wasn't one either, we all know and have seen/heard how pwc's treat Black athletes. The majority of pwc's treat those who can score TDs or dunk well or run relays or swing a bat like kings/queens, and as long as the team is winning, the Black athletes are socially accepted and welcomed into the fold. But these Black athletes (most) are not receiving a good, quality education in the classroom from their professors because the school does not care about their success in the classroom. Most pwcs are not concerned whether athletes (Black and white...but particularly Black) can grasp the concept, theory, and principles of their studies, as most athletes are expected to perform well on the field and emphasis/priority is placed on that. When it comes to academics, most Black athletes fall through the cracks. But the other side is when these Black athletes have an off game or get in a slump, they are thrown to the dogs, and don't let some get into trouble.....most pwcs will kick them out without so much as a second chance

Speaking as a parent and former student-athlete at a HBCU I can say you and some other the other are off a bit in your comparsion of HBCU's and PWC's athletics and the use of their athletes...both are after the same thing there bottom line of money and winning and how they can get more...Pop33 touch on it earlier...and I am going to say this just because someone is of your color does not necessary mean they are of your kind(thanks Tavis Smiley)...At both types of schools it is first the response of ability of the STUDENT-ATHLETE , their parents teachers and coaches before they pick a college to know what their limits are both academically and athletically...It's the university to job to assess that before and during recruitment of an athlete and then deciding whether or not they can help that child achieve their goal...the kids go to these schools knowing full well that they are not good students and they get their and continue be who they are they won't take advantage of what is there they want things given to them because they feel entitled...they go out and be hood and expect people to bail them out because they are entitled...when it is all over they are left with nothing they hollar they were used or robbed...no you did not do your part and face reality before hand and that is the bottom line...I did not have one college coach come wake me up in my dorm and tell me to go to class when I fail they helped at first when I continue to do so they taught me a lesson and I got my shit together...black parents stop blaming the white man for your child's failures look at your child and in the mirror...you get what you give and the best thing my son can get when he get to LSU is that diploma and it is my job to keep him grounded and to remember our first purpose...Get what they offered you first an education for FREEEEEEEEE!
 
Simple answer, you educate him on HBCU's and PWC's and let him make his own decision. If it were me, personally I would want mine to compete on the highest level. The highest level isnt HBCU or FCS period. And considering something like 1% of college athletes go pro, throw in a little info about choosing a school with at least decent academics. I wouldn't try to MAKE him go anywhere.
 
Speaking as a parent and former student-athlete at a HBCU I can say you and some other the other are off a bit in your comparsion of HBCU's and PWC's athletics and the use of their athletes...both are after the same thing there bottom line of money and winning and how they can get more...Pop33 touch on it earlier...and I am going to say this just because someone is of your color does not necessary mean they are of your kind(thanks Tavis Smiley)...At both types of schools it is first the response of ability of the STUDENT-ATHLETE , their parents teachers and coaches before they pick a college to know what their limits are both academically and athletically...It's the university to job to assess that before and during recruitment of an athlete and then deciding whether or not they can help that child achieve their goal...the kids go to these schools knowing full well that they are not good students and they get their and continue be who they are they won't take advantage of what is there they want things given to them because they feel entitled...they go out and be hood and expect people to bail them out because they are entitled...when it is all over they are left with nothing they hollar they were used or robbed...no you did not do your part and face reality before hand and that is the bottom line...I did not have one college coach come wake me up in my dorm and tell me to go to class when I fail they helped at first when I continue to do so they taught me a lesson and I got my shit together...black parents stop blaming the white man for your child's failures look at your child and in the mirror...you get what you give and the best thing my son can get when he get to LSU is that diploma and it is my job to keep him grounded and to remember our first purpose...Get what they offered you first an education for FREEEEEEEEE!

This. I don't know why folks try to act like HBCU's dont pimp student athletes just like PWC's do. The only difference is they get better talent to pimp.
 
Typical slave mentality. This is why 90% of all professional athletes end up broke and back in the hood.


Them going broke have nothing to do with college paying them. Money will play a huge factor in what college they pick.
 
Good job Fiyah. You are truly an example of not pushing your school on your child, but rather showing him the experience and instilling it in him threw a learning environment. Many HBCU grads will never admit it, but they feel as though their school held them back and if they attend a big name PWC they would be further ahead in their career. Honesty with yourself is the key.

Well my kids did become familier with PV by going to games with me since they were very young. They know part of the campus and have met several Alums over the years. Now I got to work on my daughter. She has said that PV is too close to home and wants to go somewhere else. She is a decent basketball player and know both Coach Cooper and Coach Wilson. She was in their basketball camp that they had years ago and she loves going to the games with me and speaks to the coaches after the game. Gonna try to get her into one of the summer programs next summer for sure to let her gt closer to what goes on in a education part of the school and see if that can get her there.
 
Speaking as a parent and former student-athlete at a HBCU I can say you and some other the other are off a bit in your comparsion of HBCU's and PWC's athletics and the use of their athletes...both are after the same thing there bottom line of money and winning and how they can get more...Pop33 touch on it earlier...and I am going to say this just because someone is of your color does not necessary mean they are of your kind(thanks Tavis Smiley)...At both types of schools it is first the response of ability of the STUDENT-ATHLETE , their parents teachers and coaches before they pick a college to know what their limits are both academically and athletically...It's the university to job to assess that before and during recruitment of an athlete and then deciding whether or not they can help that child achieve their goal...the kids go to these schools knowing full well that they are not good students and they get their and continue be who they are they won't take advantage of what is there they want things given to them because they feel entitled...they go out and be hood and expect people to bail them out because they are entitled...when it is all over they are left with nothing they hollar they were used or robbed...no you did not do your part and face reality before hand and that is the bottom line...I did not have one college coach come wake me up in my dorm and tell me to go to class when I fail they helped at first when I continue to do so they taught me a lesson and I got my shit together...black parents stop blaming the white man for your child's failures look at your child and in the mirror...you get what you give and the best thing my son can get when he get to LSU is that diploma and it is my job to keep him grounded and to remember our first purpose...Get what they offered you first an education for FREEEEEEEEE!


It’s your opinion and right to think I and others are off in my comparison, I respect that. But I don’t think I am (my opinion). I don’t disagree that some HBCUs as well as many pwc’s are about money when it comes to exposing Black athletes (athletes in general). Founder asked if we had a child, would we send him/her to an HBCU out of tradition/love for our school or encourage them to attend a “top” university; I answered and said I’d personally have a problem with sending my girls to a pwc. I also stated my reasons were because I wanted my girls to attend a more nurturing environment, where they’d would surrounded by like-minded individuals who share similar backgrounds, struggles; individuals who look like them and could relate to them; individuals who share the same ambition and zeal to learn and go on to advance academically. A nurturing environment doesn’t equate to professors/coaches/band directors calling and making sure you get up for classes, but more like those who show a genuine interest in you AND your learning capabilities. And since I have a degree from an HBCU and one from a pwc, I honestly know this to be true. Again, some of this is my opinion (doesn’t make it right or wrong). As for your quote from Tavis Smiley…..that certainly is true; he and I are both Black but he’s definitely not one I consider being the voice of Blacks and/or Black issues, and he’s definitely not of the same kind of many, many other Blacks.

At any school (HBCU or pwc), it is the first responsibility of the student, regardless of whether they are an athlete or not, to know their academic strengths and to pick a major field of study that will enhance those strengths for successful graduation and future career choices. If a child is not strong academically, upon admission, the university will then offer options/alternatives for the child to take advantage of to strengthen test scores/proficiencies and learning enhancement. Then, IF this is done, the university will admit the child.

But going to the part when you said “the kids go to these schools knowing full well that they are not good students”…… well, these first have to be admitted in by the university. Most colleges and universities require a minimum ACT and/or SAT for admission. Sure, some of these athletes have the minimum basic ACT score of 19 or 20, but what about their grades? An ACT or SAT score does not necessarily determine a student’s academic progress in the classroom, and as you posted, some of these kids know they aren’t good students, but yet they are still allowed admission into these universities. So really, according to you, these kids get in because the university lets them in, and not based on the pre-assessment you spoke of in your posts, but more so because of their athletic abilities.

I understand that during these economic times, the prospect of a free education is very, very, VERY appealing. But GR brought up a pretty good point on the Smack Board (I don’t know if he meant it or not); a lot of Blacks think that just because pwc’s offer our children (particularly those who are athletes) money to attend their schools, that it is AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEED they will receive a quality education and be better prepared for a future career after the game is over, and yes, most students and their parents DO NOT take in the consideration of what happens AFTER the game is over. Most parents aren’t concerned with APRs or graduation rates of students in a particular major/field of study, or successful job rate in a particular field of study because a lot of this IS NOT divulged to our Black athletes. A lot of our Black athletes and their parents aren't aware of success rate AFTER athletics, if in the event of injury/permanent injury, what then does the pwc offer for our Black athletes? And as a Black parent, we don't blame the white man for any failures, if any, that our children have, but we do blame the white man when he withholds or alters benefits/opportunities that will purposely hinder or delay any hopes for our childrens' success.

By all means, for any parent whose child is offered a free ride, please, do what you have to, and I’m happy for any child who makes the choice to go on to higher learning. But I also think that anything in life that is worth paying big money for is fine, too, and when it comes to both of my girls’ education, I certainly don’t mind paying for them to go somewhere where they will get the absolute very best in academics and for me, I know that to be at an HBCU.
 
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Curious question Lioness, what type of resources do you think HBCU's offer their athletes to help them graduate compared to PWC's? Have you ever sat down and talked with some of UAPB's student athletes to get their thoughts on the program and what made them choose UAPB? I think everyone should do that. It would give them a much better understanding of how those athletes actually view their school and athletic program.
 
I'll say this and be done with it. I graduated valedictorian of my high school, with a 3.96 GPA. I had scholarship offers from schools I had never even heard of, as well as those I had heard of. I am a 3rd generation Gramblinite and GSU was so ingrained in me as a child that it was a no-brainer for me to choose the "G". I accepted the academic scholarship from Grambling, majored in Computer Science, with a minor in math, and the rest is history. I was hired by IBM, been there 29 years this year. Baby, you don't stay at a Fortune 500 company for 29 years unless you can compete, and be successful at it.

The Bible says your gift will make room for you. I know that my God is able to make that "room" just as successful at a HBCU as at a PWC. My 2 children are Gramblinites and I pray that my grandchildren will be as well.
 



Speaking in terms of Student-Athletics and nothing else I think some of us are steering off focus......you can receive a good education pretty much any where I think the whole HBCU's being more caring and involved in the student athlete is a bunch of hog wash....some of you are stuck in the early 80's when it comes to that....unless you attend a small HBCU or Community College will u get that "nurturing feeling" nowadays...Going back to what the Founder said in his first post if I am bluechip talent I will want to play against other bluechip talent POINT BLANK...Of course my child will know about HBCU's but the decision will be his or her's alone....

And I dont know how many of you went to a mostly white High School and played sports but it is totally different going to white school that has certain perks and advantages and going to a HBCU where u are getting less than what u had in HS...just saying this is the world we live in and I know it has changed since I graduated high school 10 yrs ago! not saying it right or wrong..
 
I allowed my children to pick their schools when the time came. Both of my children finished in the top 10% in their classes so academics were not in the equation. My son had offers from pwc and HCBU's and the MLB draft was his best option at the time and he chose UAPB, . My daughter had offers from all pwc's and out of nowhere she was determined that she wanted to go to GSU so that is where she went. In my opinion as far as the academics you get out what you put in and both have done well academically. The only negative I have is the way the adminstration is handled at HCBU's. The professionalism is not there in some instances especially when dealing with financial aid, almost every student fills out the fasfa even if they are on scholarship so the information is there including tax information it can now be retrieved straight from the IRS so it is simple or should be. I have had them send me orphan forms and a lot of other follow up paperwork that was not applicable, and this is after being at the university for three years. The adminstration need to take a good look at their hiring practices and raise their expectations as far as what is acceptable performance. Money alone is not the only fix ,attitude and performance expectations will go a long way toward upgrading HBCU's.
 
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Curious question Lioness, what type of resources do you think HBCU's offer their athletes to help them graduate compared to PWC's? Have you ever sat down and talked with some of UAPB's student athletes to get their thoughts on the program and what made them choose UAPB? I think everyone should do that. It would give them a much better understanding of how those athletes actually view their school and athletic program.

Pop, what is amazing is that most of the folks don't believe what you and DCG are saying but yet you two experienced what being a student athlete means at a HBCU. I have had relatives play at several HBCUs and they share the same comments that you and DCG have. I have seen it even when I was in school. The kid has to want it. The kid has to be mentored by more than a coach. The reason most folks on this board think the PWCs are not good for players is because they see these kids who come from backgrounds not equipped to succeed at a HBCU or a PWC. Has nothing to do with it being white or black. Kids can flunk out at any school. Hell look at our APRs as a prime example. We got some dummies just like the PWCs do. My old man was a hard core HBCU man. But he would get pissed at the brothers who went to those big schools and not take advantage of their situation. If they want it, they can get it. None of those schools are telling them you can't graduate or go to class. And let's be real, our athletes at our schools are not all in Engineering, Computer Science, Accounting etc... Some have a hard time to find a job as well. Folks need to be schooling their kids on what to major in before they even get to college.

The last thing I will say is that most of these blue chip kids come from parents not like us on this board. So they don't have a great perspective on what they should be thinking about when they can't play anymore. Most of them are going to these big schools to make it to the next level. Most of the kids who come to our schools pretty much know it is a long shot to make it to the next level. That's why it seems like the HBCU athlete is more rounded than the PWCs. Different mentalities for the most part. But the way the kid is raised and what priorities are instilled in him or her will dictate on whether they will do well at a HBCU or a PWC.
 
Speaking in terms of Student-Athletics and nothing else I think some of us are steering off focus......you can receive a good education pretty much any where I think the whole HBCU's being more caring and involved in the student athlete is a bunch of hog wash....some of you are stuck in the early 80's when it comes to that....unless you attend a small HBCU or Community College will u get that "nurturing feeling" nowadays...Going back to what the Founder said in his first post if I am bluechip talent I will want to play against other bluechip talent POINT BLANK...Of course my child will know about HBCU's but the decision will be his or her's alone....

And I dont know how many of you went to a mostly white High School and played sports but it is totally different going to white school that has certain perks and advantages and going to a HBCU where u are getting less than what u had in HS...just saying this is the world we live in and I know it has changed since I graduated high school 10 yrs ago! not saying it right or wrong..

It's that lil' closed world some reside in DM. :smh: Nice post man.
 
Curious question Lioness, what type of resources do you think HBCU's offer their athletes to help them graduate compared to PWC's? Have you ever sat down and talked with some of UAPB's student athletes to get their thoughts on the program and what made them choose UAPB? I think everyone should do that. It would give them a much better understanding of how those athletes actually view their school and athletic program.



Pops, to be honest, I've only talked with a fair few; football players who played for Hardman, Forte, and Coleman. Most were out of state, and most said they came to UAPB because their parents and/or grandparents went to AM&N, and that they wanted to play football while in college, since they did in high school. While Hardman was coach, I remember one kid from North Carolina who ended up getting hurt during his first playing season. The kid was pretty good, but when he got hurt, he thought about going back home, since all he really knew was football. He told me that Hardman wanted him to stay and finish school; he went back and pulled the kid's ACT scores and re-discovered the kid, while he had a lower composite, had a very nice math score. However, the kid was one of the typical criminal justice major. Hardman told the kid since his knees were pretty badly injured and since he'd taken a lot of shots to them, there was always a chance that he may not play again. But he also told him his education was a guarantee and convince the kid to take another aptitude test over in University College. Turns out the kid was damn good in math and pretty good in technology. He ended up staying at UAPB and went on to become a math AND chemistry major. He did go back home and worked for a while as a mechanic, but came back to Arkansas (Little Rock) and attended vocational school and earned his ASE while teaching college math. He is now a master mechanic and continues to teach college math.

I talked to another kid who was from STL; he played for Forte and Coleman. The kid was an awesome WR and had NFL talent. Unfortunately he got into some trouble and had to go back home to STL. Well, the kid, who wasn't a bad kid or student, really wanted to play football; so he appealed to UAPB and now head football coach Coleman. While he was invited back to UAPB, upon arrival, he was asked by Student Support Services why did he come back....to play football or have a future? He responded, "Both". Coleman then had the kid go back to University College and take an aptitude.....turns out the kid had an aptitude for business. Not only did he play well for us, but went on to pledge Gamma Delta (Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc), and earned his BS in Business-Marketing.

When I go to homecoming, I see the one from North Carolina; he now contracts with Blue Cross/Blue Shield employees and they have him to do maintenance and service on their vehicles and he still teaches math. When he first came to UAPB, he didn't like it because it was such a culture shock to him.....but now, he's happy with the decision he made to come. Someone took a personal interest in him and made him realize and live up to his potential. That, to me, is a valuable resource you offer any student, and if you can help just one person, that's worth the effort.

That's my 0.02 cents! To each his/her own....
 
Pop, what is amazing is that most of the folks don't believe what you and DCG are saying but yet you two experienced what being a student athlete means at a HBCU. I have had relatives play at several HBCUs and they share the same comments that you and DCG have. I have seen it even when I was in school. The kid has to want it. The kid has to be mentored by more than a coach. The reason most folks on this board think the PWCs are not good for players is because they see these kids who come from backgrounds not equipped to succeed at a HBCU or a PWC. Has nothing to do with it being white or black. Kids can flunk out at any school. Hell look at our APRs as a prime example. We got some dummies just like the PWCs do. My old man was a hard core HBCU man. But he would get pissed at the brothers who went to those big schools and not take advantage of their situation. If they want it, they can get it. None of those schools are telling them you can't graduate or go to class. And let's be real, our athletes at our schools are not all in Engineering, Computer Science, Accounting etc... Some have a hard time to find a job as well. Folks need to be schooling their kids on what to major in before they even get to college.

The last thing I will say is that most of these blue chip kids come from parents not like us on this board. So they don't have a great perspective on what they should be thinking about when they can't play anymore. Most of them are going to these big schools to make it to the next level. Most of the kids who come to our schools pretty much know it is a long shot to make it to the next level. That's why it seems like the HBCU athlete is more rounded than the PWCs. Different mentalities for the most part. But the way the kid is raised and what priorities are instilled in him or her will dictate on whether they will do well at a HBCU or a PWC.

Heck, I was an college athlete at an HBCU. So was JSUMJ2004. We all knew what the deal was. But, I'm not concerned about what school Kendrick Jr. goes to more so than what sport he plays. It has been established for a minute what the meal ticket collegiate sport is. And I don't know if I want my kid participating in it.
 
Speaking in terms of Student-Athletics and nothing else I think some of us are steering off focus......you can receive a good education pretty much any where I think the whole HBCU's being more caring and involved in the student athlete is a bunch of hog wash....some of you are stuck in the early 80's when it comes to that....unless you attend a small HBCU or Community College will u get that "nurturing feeling" nowadays...Going back to what the Founder said in his first post if I am bluechip talent I will want to play against other bluechip talent POINT BLANK...Of course my child will know about HBCU's but the decision will be his or her's alone....

And I dont know how many of you went to a mostly white High School and played sports but it is totally different going to white school that has certain perks and advantages and going to a HBCU where u are getting less than what u had in HS...just saying this is the world we live in and I know it has changed since I graduated high school 10 yrs ago! not saying it right or wrong..

I'm glad you saw where I was coming from originally. I decided on starting this thread because of the lack of HBCUs being drafted in football as well as other sports. If your child is a blue chip athlete, they are not going to consider an HBCU because they envision of going to the pro ranks. So what types of schools will get them there.

I believe HBCUs are holding themselves back. They do this by applying historical properties in the manner in which they schedule games, promote their athletic department, and maintain a belief such as Coach Williams that, "they didn't play us when I was playing and I don't want to play them now."
 
I'm glad you saw where I was coming from originally. I decided on starting this thread because of the lack of HBCUs being drafted in football as well as other sports. If your child is a blue chip athlete, they are not going to consider an HBCU because they envision of going to the pro ranks. So what types of schools will get them there.

I believe HBCUs are holding themselves back. They do this by applying historical properties in the manner in which they schedule games, promote their athletic department, and maintain a belief such as Coach Williams that, "they didn't play us when I was playing and I don't want to play them now."

As long as HBCU's continue to base everything off the past then we will never catch up...Watch a HBCU football game on ESPN and see how many times you hear Steve McNair, Lem Barney, Jerry Rice, and Walter Payton...O and the announcer will say " I can't wait for the Halftime Show"....:smh: I think the HBCU Bands in the last 20 years deserve more funding than some of these sub par teams in HBCU athletics :smh:

HBCU Administration thinking will cause any parent and student to stay away as well...
 
Pop, what is amazing is that most of the folks don't believe what you and DCG are saying but yet you two experienced what being a student athlete means at a HBCU. I have had relatives play at several HBCUs and they share the same comments that you and DCG have. I have seen it even when I was in school. The kid has to want it. The kid has to be mentored by more than a coach. The reason most folks on this board think the PWCs are not good for players is because they see these kids who come from backgrounds not equipped to succeed at a HBCU or a PWC. Has nothing to do with it being white or black. Kids can flunk out at any school. Hell look at our APRs as a prime example. We got some dummies just like the PWCs do. My old man was a hard core HBCU man. But he would get pissed at the brothers who went to those big schools and not take advantage of their situation. If they want it, they can get it. None of those schools are telling them you can't graduate or go to class. And let's be real, our athletes at our schools are not all in Engineering, Computer Science, Accounting etc... Some have a hard time to find a job as well. Folks need to be schooling their kids on what to major in before they even get to college.

The last thing I will say is that most of these blue chip kids come from parents not like us on this board. So they don't have a great perspective on what they should be thinking about when they can't play anymore. Most of them are going to these big schools to make it to the next level. Most of the kids who come to our schools pretty much know it is a long shot to make it to the next level. That's why it seems like the HBCU athlete is more rounded than the PWCs. Different mentalities for the most part. But the way the kid is raised and what priorities are instilled in him or her will dictate on whether they will do well at a HBCU or a PWC.

That was my dad's point when Texas A&M offered me. I had Louisiana offers in the bag with TOPS as well. He said, if you're gonna go over there, you better get everything they got. Once I told I chose Southern, he said, "I'm proud of you for wanting to be a part of "our family (hugging my mom at the time), but ain't nothing changed. You better get what they got too!"
 
I'm glad you saw where I was coming from originally. I decided on starting this thread because of the lack of HBCUs being drafted in football as well as other sports. If your child is a blue chip athlete, they are not going to consider an HBCU because they envision of going to the pro ranks. So what types of schools will get them there.
I believe HBCUs are holding themselves back. They do this by applying historical properties in the manner in which they schedule games, promote their athletic department, and maintain a belief such as Coach Williams that, "they didn't play us when I was playing and I don't want to play them now."

BULL! If you're kid has the talent, he just needs to get on the field, period. What good does it do to sit behind XYZ for three years at Big State U when the kid could have playing at Directional State U for three years and growing as a player? Just like I told this young man last night at BWW who is at Southern but wants to transfer to LSU for "more exposure" .... if you seriously got IT, they will find YOU wherever you are.

That kid going to an HBCU, if he is a blue-chip athlete, could bring exposure to that school which would bring exposure to himself. Having been in HS when McNair was on the scene at Alcorn, I know that is true. I had white kids at my high school asking me about him and his school.
 
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