Bobby Jindal


Jax said:
... And have the nerve to complain about things that arent even important.

Case and point, Torrance Hatch a/k/a boosie.

A voteless people is a hopeless people.
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Dude! You got that right. I hear folks are all over downtown BR protesting the trial with Free Boosie posters. :smh:
 



JagBR said:
Well, I'm a teacher. I'm sure you've heard what he is doing to US! No job security, tenure or automatic pay raises.
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My daughter's been keeping me posted on all the things he's doing/trying to do to the teachers of Louisiana. She said she attended a couple of protests downtown, and those teachers were in his a**!
 
96lioness said:
My daughter's been keeping me posted on all the things he's doing/trying to do to the teachers of Louisiana. She said she attended a couple of protests downtown, and those teachers were in his a**!
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96,

I'm a former HS teacher who needed a change. My wife to be is an elementary school teacher who has been in the local (EBR) system for five years. He basically wants to tie her employment to what the students do. If everything was fair with students across the board, I can't say I would have a big issue with it. However, I have seen this woman work her pretty ass off and still come home disappointed. She can't control what the kids do at home and what their parents aren't doing.

She is willing to take a reduction in pay to protect her tenure and retirement in another state. That's what Jindal has planned for K-12 ... you should know what he is doing to post-secondary schools with your daughter at SU. When people at LSU are trying to figure out how to get you out ... you have truly f-ed up in this state.

Exodus is the right word, unfortunately.
 
JAG89 said:
Jindal is pushing privatization of government services and institutions so that Louisiana's big business individuals can get richer, such as the State issuing school vouchers so that a large number of students can attend private schools. These big business folks that are pulling Jindal's strings are mostly Evangelical Christian Right Wing Conservative. It's strange that just in a few years a bunch private ran Christian schools have popped up all over Louisiana. Also, yesterday in Rapides Parish, LA, which is the area I'm from, the School Board decided not to renew its school superintendent contract. A parent that spoke out in favor of not renewing the superintendent contract found it "very concerning" that the superintendent testified in favor of Gov. Bobby Jindal's education reforms at the state Legislature, which goes to say there are people working in key government positions that are helping Jindal to destroy government ran institutions. If Jindal's plan goes into full effect, the only people that would benefit from Jindal's reform is those with enough capital to take over the jobs that used to be ran by State, which will eventually lead to the average citizen in Louisiana to pay three to four times as much to live in Louisiana without any increase in salary. Once that happens, there definitely would be a mass exodus in Louisiana.
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Ok, this is the same thing Georgia did. Same thing.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
96,

I'm a former HS teacher who needed a change. My wife to be is an elementary school teacher who has been in the local (EBR) system for five years. He basically wants to tie her employment to what the students do. If everything was fair with students across the board, I can't say I would have a big issue with it. However, I have seen this woman work her pretty ass off and still come home disappointed. She can't control what the kids do at home and what their parents aren't doing.

She is willing to take a reduction in pay to protect her tenure and retirement in another state. That's what Jindal has planned for K-12 ... you should know what he is doing to post-secondary schools with your daughter at SU. When people at LSU are trying to figure out how to get you out ... you have truly f-ed up in this state.

Exodus is the right word, unfortunately.
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79,

True! One of those protests Bri (my baby) went to was for the teachers; from her explanation, he (Jindal) wants the teachers of Louisiana to get their pay based on student performance in the classroom; so what you said sounds about right. And I can understand the frustration of your bride-to-be; if the students don't try to do well in the classroom, and if the parents continue to not monitor or be involved with their child's learning, the students AND teachers suffer. Many of these teachers do care; however, they have to earn a living, and when you try to base their living on another person's progress, that isn't wise.

And she and another SU alum have been keeping me posted on Jindal's "ideas" for SU, LSU, UNO, and SUNO. Bri attended several protests and town hall meetings on this and those kids were just about worse than the teachers! I don't know the relationship between SU and LSU (and UNO) but she said they were all one accord and deep in Jindal's a**. I'm hearing now that he (Jindal) is turning his sights on Grambling now....

Louisiana has to come together and get this man out of office, regardless of his years as governor. As Jax posted, a voteless people is a hopeless people.
 
JAG89 said:
You must be an advocate for privatization and if so why?
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No, I'm a realist here to say that even though these things may happen, the world keeps spinning. La will not go belly up. Ga didnt. People are STILL flocking here on boats, planes, and trains. Hell, the governor has passed the immigration bill here and that is the only reason that certain people are leaving, outside of that folks are still moving here. The only thing I see Jindal is doing is what other states have already done.
 
96lioness said:
79,

True! One of those protests Bri (my baby) went to was for the teachers; from her explanation, he (Jindal) wants the teachers of Louisiana to get their pay based on student performance in the classroom; so what you said sounds about right. And I can understand the frustration of your bride-to-be; if the students don't try to do well in the classroom, and if the parents continue to not monitor or be involved with their child's learning, the students AND teachers suffer. Many of these teachers do care; however, they have to earn a living, and when you try to base their living on another person's progress, that isn't wise.

And she and another SU alum have been keeping me posted on Jindal's "ideas" for SU, LSU, UNO, and SUNO. Bri attended several protests and town hall meetings on this and those kids were just about worse than the teachers! I don't know the relationship between SU and LSU (and UNO) but she said they were all one accord and deep in Jindal's a**. I'm hearing now that he (Jindal) is turning his sights on Grambling now....

Louisiana has to come together and get this man out of office, regardless of his years as governor. As Jax posted, a voteless people is a hopeless people.
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Yep, the same thing Ga did here. Pay on performance. Schools being rated by performance of their students, teachers being held accountable for how well their students do, teachers giving kids answers so that their schools can be rated high and the teachers can get big bonuses, test scandals, etc......
 
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All I will add here is that people need to become more involved on governmental matters. You don't have to come to the capitol all of the time! Access to the legislative process is online for citizens to stay informed and also to voice their opinion.
 
Blacknbengal said:
No, I'm a realist here to say that even though these things may happen, the world keeps spinning. La will not go belly up. Ga didnt. People are STILL flocking here on boats, planes, and trains. Hell, the governor has passed the immigration bill here and that is the only reason that certain people are leaving, outside of that folks are still moving here. The only thing I see Jindal is doing is what other states have already done.
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Pretty much.

If the other states haven't already done it, they are in the process of making changes or fighting to make the changes. Not saying I'm for/against it...but running away isnt' going to guarantee you are running to a better situation. :noidea:

SU Jag 79 you said your fiance wants to move to GA to teach!? I heard the teachers are catching hell down there, dont' know if it's true or not. But my LS is a teacher and she is trying to leave the state of GA b/c (i think she said) they trying to get rid of tenure and a whole bunch of other stuff.
 
ALPHA3 said:
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All I will add here is that people need to become more involved on governmental matters. You don't have to come to the capitol all of the time! Access to the legislative process is online for citizens to stay informed and also to voice their opinion.
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True. Once that law gets signed, then folks want to complain and act out. Too late. People need to be more informed about what's happening right under their noses, but alot of times it's too late by the time they find out. I learned that also while living here. Watching the news, reading the papers, and being in touch with your Congressman or woman. Especially when it's time to vote. You see all types of bills on that ballot sheet. Educate yourselves people, educate.
 



southsuburbs said:
Pretty much.

If the other states haven't already done it, they are in the process of making changes or fighting to make the changes. Not saying I'm for/against it...but running away isnt' going to guarantee you are running to a better situation. :noidea:

SU Jag 79 you said your fiance wants to move to GA to teach!? I heard the teachers are catching hell down there, dont' know if it's true or not. But my LS is a teacher and she is trying to leave the state of GA b/c (i think she said) they trying to get rid of tenure and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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Damn girl, we think too much alike. That is exactly what I was thinking. If SUJag79 is running here for education purposes, he'll find out that the grass is not that greener here. Actually, it could be much worse depending on what school district he ends up in. My god-mother was a teacher and she retired, because she got tired of them changing her class, switching her from school to school, etc..... The APS are closing schools and sending the best teachers to the worst schools and giving the rest pink slips. It has gotten bad here for education in some areas. Good Luck SUJag79.
 
JAG89 said:
Jindal is pushing privatization of government services and institutions so that Louisiana's big business individuals can get richer, such as the State issuing school vouchers so that a large number of students can attend private schools. These big business folks that are pulling Jindal's strings are mostly Evangelical Christian Right Wing Conservative. It's strange that just in a few years a bunch private ran Christian schools have popped up all over Louisiana. Also, yesterday in Rapides Parish, LA, which is the area I'm from, the School Board decided not to renew its school superintendent contract. A parent that spoke out in favor of not renewing the superintendent contract found it "very concerning" that the superintendent testified in favor of Gov. Bobby Jindal's education reforms at the state Legislature, which goes to say there are people working in key government positions that are helping Jindal to destroy government ran institutions. If Jindal's plan goes into full effect, the only people that would benefit from Jindal's reform is those with enough capital to take over the jobs that used to be ran by State, which will eventually lead to the average citizen in Louisiana to pay three to four times as much to live in Louisiana without any increase in salary. Once that happens, there definitely would be a mass exodus in Louisiana.
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Here Jag89, read this:

Ga. Senate could hear school voucher bill

ATLANTA (AP) -- GOP leaders have revived a bill that would expand Georgia's school voucher program to include military families and foster care children.

#Senate Bill 87 would use taxpayer money to give students the option of attending the school of their choice, including private schools.

#GOP leaders have tried for years to expand the voucher program with little success. Opponents say vouchers take funding away from cash-starved public school districts.

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/news/2012/mar/07/ga-senate-could-hear-school-voucher-bill/
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And here is when it first started:

Georgia Voucher Program

The Georgia Legislature enacted a special education voucher program in 2007. The program is modeled after Florida's McKay voucher program for special education students, despite virtually no objective evidence of how that program is working or what taxpayers are receiving for their investment. More than 100 private schools have been approved to participate in the Georgia program for its upcoming first school year.

http://www.nsba.org/Advocacy/Key-Issues/SchoolVouchers/VoucherStrategyCenter/GeorgiaVoucherProgram
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See, Jindal is doing nothing new. He's just following his Republican counterparts in other states.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
96,

I'm a former HS teacher who needed a change. My wife to be is an elementary school teacher who has been in the local (EBR) system for five years. He basically wants to tie her employment to what the students do. If everything was fair with students across the board, I can't say I would have a big issue with it. However, I have seen this woman work her pretty ass off and still come home disappointed. She can't control what the kids do at home and what their parents aren't doing.

She is willing to take a reduction in pay to protect her tenure and retirement in another state. That's what Jindal has planned for K-12 ... you should know what he is doing to post-secondary schools with your daughter at SU. When people at LSU are trying to figure out how to get you out ... you have truly f-ed up in this state.

Exodus is the right word, unfortunately.
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Here SUJag79:

Paying teachers by degrees: Georgia cuts back

The debate over the value of advanced degrees for teachers is not new. In 1933, Harvard president Abbott Lawrence Lowell contributed one of the most memorable critiques when he denigrated his own university’s graduate school of education as a “kitten that ought to be drowned.”

Last year, Georgia spent $880 million compensating teachers for advanced degrees, according to Kelly Henson, who heads the state’s Professional Standards Commission, which oversees teacher credentials.

Only 10.4 percent of those Georgia teachers earned degrees in core subjects, such as math or science. Fourteen percent earned them in early childhood, and 22 percent got them in related areas, including teaching and learning or curriculum and instruction.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2010/11/12/paying-teachers-by-degrees-georgia-cuts-back/
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Teachers to be graded on student test scores

Hoping to attract and keep top teachers in public schools, Georgia is changing the way educators are hired, paid and rated through a new evaluation system with far greater emphasis on student performance.

The changes are spurred by the $400 million Race to the Top grant, a program introduced by the Obama administration to jump-start school reform nationwide. Georgia won the grant in August; in return it pledged to rethink public school policy, including creating a new evaluation system for all teachers. For subjects where students take standardized tests, 50 percent of the teacher’s performance would be based on their test scores. School leaders will also be judged by test scores when the new model rolls out in 26 districts this fall.

“We strongly believe that the most important thing in a student’s education is the quality of the teacher in the classroom,” said Erin Hames, who will oversee the plan’s implementation as a deputy chief of staff for Gov.-elect Nathan Deal. “The heart of education improvement in Georgia has to be focused on the classroom and classroom teachers.”

http://www.ajc.com/news/teachers-to-be-graded-792562.html
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Pre-k teachers leave in droves. ‘Georgia’s reputation as an early childhood leader is tarnished.’

As we discussed here last week, pre-k took a major hit this year due to the reduction in the length of program by the governor, which resulted in lower pay for certified teachers.

As a result, many of those teachers sought and accepted jobs in k-8, which did not suffer the same cut.

Here is an AJC story that cites how those reductions to Georgia’s pre-k, once considered a national model, caused teachers to flee.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2011/10/11/pre-k-teachers-leave-in-droves-georgia%E2%80%99s-reputation-as-an-early-childhood-leader-is-tarnished/
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You all better do your research.
 
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southsuburbs said:
Pretty much.

If the other states haven't already done it, they are in the process of making changes or fighting to make the changes. Not saying I'm for/against it...but running away isnt' going to guarantee you are running to a better situation. :noidea:

SU Jag 79 you said your fiance wants to move to GA to teach!? I heard the teachers are catching hell down there, dont' know if it's true or not. But my LS is a teacher and she is trying to leave the state of GA b/c (i think she said) they trying to get rid of tenure and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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SS, is this what you're talking about? This is a Ga. teacher's message board that I found this on:

Change to teacher tenure in GA?

Hi, I was wondering if anyone had an update on the bill
that Gov. Deal is supposed to sign regarding teacher tenure?

My husband used to teach in GA and while we were there, 150
teachers were laid off in our old district. It was very
unclear what the process was in GA regarding RIF. Everyone
who was cut was non-tenured in our district at that
time, . My husband also did not have tenure, but he
somehow escaped being downsized in 2010.

I understand the new law will ban the use of tenure as the
sole factor. Is this correct? When would the new law take
effect?

http://teachers.net/states/ga/topic4610/3.12.12.06.29.34.html
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southsuburbs said:
Pretty much.

If the other states haven't already done it, they are in the process of making changes or fighting to make the changes. Not saying I'm for/against it...but running away isnt' going to guarantee you are running to a better situation. :noidea:

SU Jag 79 you said your fiance wants to move to GA to teach!? I heard the teachers are catching hell down there, dont' know if it's true or not. But my LS is a teacher and she is trying to leave the state of GA b/c (i think she said) they trying to get rid of tenure and a whole bunch of other stuff.
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Believe me ... after reading some of this stuff, I'm looking in to it for her.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Damn girl, we think too much alike. That is exactly what I was thinking. If SUJag79 is running here for education purposes, he'll find out that the grass is not that greener here. Actually, it could be much worse depending on what school district he ends up in. My god-mother was a teacher and she retired, because she got tired of them changing her class, switching her from school to school, etc..... The APS are closing schools and sending the best teachers to the worst schools and giving the rest pink slips. It has gotten bad here for education in some areas. Good Luck SUJag79.
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My teaching days ended in 2003. I taught HS, social studies. My baby is teaching ES and because my position with my company is moving to the Marietta-Kennesaw area, she was looking at this as an opportunity to get out of the EBRP school system, which is falling around us right now. I'm a product of that system and it is disheartening to see it. Her top choice is Cobb County .... she doesn't want anything to do with APS.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
My teaching days ended in 2003. I taught HS, social studies. My baby is teaching ES and because my position with my company is moving to the Marietta-Kennesaw area, she was looking at this as an opportunity to get out of the EBRP school system, which is falling around us right now. I'm a product of that system and it is disheartening to see it. Her top choice is Cobb County .... she doesn't want anything to do with APS.
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Cobb is good. And Douglas, Fayette, Henry, parts of Gwinnett. Stay away from Clayton, APS, & Dekalb.
 
Blacknbengal said:
SS, is this what you're talking about? This is a Ga. teacher's message board that I found this on:
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Do you honestly believe Louisiana will start growing once Jindal's privatization plan goes into effect. Growth is not based on government switching from public to private. Growth is based on the type of industries that the state can attract and there's a big difference between Georgia industries and Louisiana industries. And don't give me this mess that privatization is the reason why industries came to Georgia, because Jimmy Carter was Georgia's governor when growth started in Georgia. Before then, Georgia was different than any other southern state.
 
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