Why Is Judas Isacriot Considered To Be Evil?


I used to ferverently until I thought one day, "what if I was born into another religion, and never heard of Jesus Christ or Christianity?" What if I died the year before Jesus was born, or was born hundreds of thousands of years ago? Would I be condemned to something I had no knowledge about? Being that I do have knowledge, who says it's right? Is it right because someone threatens me with 'hellfire,' knowing that them nor I have witnessed no one come back and tell us how the afterlife is? I can not prove that neither exist or not, but if it does, it goes beyond our comprehension. I cherish this life I have now, and I treat everybody the same. This is regardless of what they believe, or where they're from, or their orientation, or their race and gender. I live my life to the best of my ability, and do good just because it's the right thing to do, not for a reward I honestly have no idea that I would receive. This is what Jesus would have done and have done so.




JH, if it's not too personal to ask, what was it that made you initially believe in Heaven and Hell? And you raise a good point about the "what if" of not ever having heard of Jesus Christ. There are some in the world who have not, and it often makes me think of them. I just continue to pray that Jehovah God reveals Himself to those so that they can at least have a sense of His presence. But if not, it's not for me to judge. Lord knows I need to continue working on myself before I can help someone else.

As for JayRob, I don't believe in arguing the Word of God, but I must admit that JayRob does not back down from his belief. I don't agree with his interpretation of the Holy Bible, but I do respect that he (in a sense) does know what the Bible says. I know many Christians who can quote and offer an understanding of the Holy Bible; but unfortunately I know some who cannot.

JayRob, if you were on the other side (and I'm not criticizing or putting you down for not being), you'd be a damn good Believer and teacher of the Word.
 



JH, if it's not too personal to ask, what was it that made you initially believe in Heaven and Hell? And you raise a good point about the "what if" of not ever having heard of Jesus Christ. There are some in the world who have not, and it often makes me think of them. I just continue to pray that Jehovah God reveals Himself to those so that they can at least have a sense of His presence. But if not, it's not for me to judge. Lord knows I need to continue working on myself before I can help someone else.

As for JayRob, I don't believe in arguing the Word of God, but I must admit that JayRob does not back down from his belief. I don't agree with his interpretation of the Holy Bible, but I do respect that he (in a sense) does know what the Bible says. I know many Christians who can quote and offer an understanding of the Holy Bible; but unfortunately I know some who cannot.

JayRob, if you were on the other side (and I'm not criticizing or putting you down for not being), you'd be a damn good Believer and teacher of the Word.

Well, when I was young, I had to read the Bible at least an hour a day and tell what I had learned from reading it. The Rapture teachings that I was raised with had me a nervous wreck growing up, coupled along with being sheltered, actually had me socially retarded for a good while. I mean a good while, and I had a lot of catching up to do to make it daily in the real world. Once I saw that there is a world outside of the one I grew up in, I realized that there was so much more I needed to learn.
 
Well, when I was young, I had to read the Bible at least an hour a day and tell what I had learned from reading it. The Rapture teachings that I was raised with had me a nervous wreck growing up, coupled along with being sheltered, actually had me socially retarded for a good while. I mean a good while, and I had a lot of catching up to do to make it daily in the real world. Once I saw that there is a world outside of the one I grew up in, I realized that there was so much more I needed to learn.



Whoa......that's pretty deep. The Holy Bible can be very difficult to understand even at my age of 40, so I can imagine what it's like for a child to be forced to read it; and then to be given a descriptive interpretation at that age can scare anyone. I believe what the Word says, however, the Word can be taught on any age-level and it appears when you were young that you didn't receive an age-appropriate message (I could be wrong). This put you into such a frenzy that you could not see the true wonder and majesty and greatness of God, and possibly kept you from forming the kind of relationship with Him that He desired from you (again, I ccould be wrong). Teachers of the Word need to be more careful in interpretation of the Holy Bible; I don't think it was God's intention to scare us into belief and obedience, but to make us well aware of the consequences of disobedience and wrong-decision making.

Yes, there is a lot in life that we all need to learn; but as a Believer I tend to also think that we need to learn as much about God, His Word, His plan for us, and about His Son, Jesus Christ. I believe that once we learn this, all other knowledge will be acquired and that God will put us on the path to know of other things needed in our lives to become the success He designed us to have.

Thanks JH for sharing such a personal query.....I hope your life journey will be happy and peaceful, full of laughter and love.
 
Whoa......that's pretty deep. The Holy Bible can be very difficult to understand even at my age of 40, so I can imagine what it's like for a child to be forced to read it; and then to be given a descriptive interpretation at that age can scare anyone. I believe what the Word says, however, the Word can be taught on any age-level and it appears when you were young that you didn't receive an age-appropriate message (I could be wrong). This put you into such a frenzy that you could not see the true wonder and majesty and greatness of God, and possibly kept you from forming the kind of relationship with Him that He desired from you (again, I ccould be wrong). Teachers of the Word need to be more careful in interpretation of the Holy Bible; I don't think it was God's intention to scare us into belief and obedience, but to make us well aware of the consequences of disobedience and wrong-decision making.

Yes, there is a lot in life that we all need to learn; but as a Believer I tend to also think that we need to learn as much about God, His Word, His plan for us, and about His Son, Jesus Christ. I believe that once we learn this, all other knowledge will be acquired and that God will put us on the path to know of other things needed in our lives to become the success He designed us to have.

Thanks JH for sharing such a personal query.....I hope your life journey will be happy and peaceful, full of laughter and love.

Thank you. This is a wonderful reply. I hope the same for you :).
 
That it could happen at any time.



My friend, any and everything could happen at any given time. If you live the life that corresponds with the way you post (you seem to be a really good person....you wouldn't have been able to find a woman who loves you & wants to spend the rest of her life with), you're well on your way to being what is Destined for you to be. You'll be ready to face what comes your way.....and if not, you'll be strong enough to withstand.
 
My friend, any and everything could happen at any given time. If you live the life that corresponds with the way you post (you seem to be a really good person....you wouldn't have been able to find a woman who loves you & wants to spend the rest of her life with), you're well on your way to being what is Destined for you to be. You'll be ready to face what comes your way.....and if not, you'll be strong enough to withstand.

Thank you. :)
 
JayRob, you posted earlier that those who wrote the Holy Bible (KJV) considered Judas Iscariot to be evil. Then you mentioned that the Holy Bible says it would have been better for Judas to not have been born. Dacon then quoted a scripture which mentioned that it would be better for he who betrayed Jesus to not have been born. How do you find this to be equivelent to being evil?

Benedict Arnold was considered a traitor as well; do you think him to be evil? I don't see the correlation in either case; but that's just me.
 
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Th problem with religion is who teaches the student. Just like math. I hear so many folks who say math scares them. The problem is not math, it is the person who teaches the student how to approach math. I also hear folks say "John is so good in math he could be a engineer.", that is also not true. Math is needed to learn engineering formulas, but to be a engineer one must be able to comprehend engineering concepts more than do high level math. Why did I tell you that theory? Basically to say in order to understand religion you have to able to comprehend the concept and the purpose of God's words, which in turn goes back to the person teaching the student about the word of God. If the student gets a teacher who can not teach the word in laments terms, the student will never be able to under stand the practical concept of God's words. Just because one can read, doesn't mean they can comprehend what they have read.
 
Th problem with religion is who teaches the student. Just like math. I hear so many folks who say math scares them. The problem is not math, it is the person who teaches the student how to approach math. I also hear folks say "John is so good in math he could be a engineer.", that is also not true. Math is needed to learn engineering formulas, but to be a engineer one must be able to comprehend engineering concepts more than do high level math. Why did I tell you that theory? Basically to say in order to understand religion you have to able to comprehend the concept and the purpose of God's words, which in turn goes back to the person teaching the student about the word of God. If the student gets a teacher who can not teach the word in laments terms, the student will never be able to under stand the practical concept of God's words. Just because one can read, doesn't mean they can comprehend what they have read.

This reminds me of a story the preacher at the church I attend told recently.

He said, "How can you be a member of a church and say, "He might not be able to read, but he sure can preach the word." The preacher then says, "How are folks going to learn under someone who can't read?
 
Th problem with religion is who teaches the student. Just like math. I hear so many folks who say math scares them. The problem is not math, it is the person who teaches the student how to approach math. I also hear folks say "John is so good in math he could be a engineer.", that is also not true. Math is needed to learn engineering formulas, but to be a engineer one must be able to comprehend engineering concepts more than do high level math. Why did I tell you that theory? Basically to say in order to understand religion you have to able to comprehend the concept and the purpose of God's words, which in turn goes back to the person teaching the student about the word of God. If the student gets a teacher who can not teach the word in laments terms, the student will never be able to under stand the practical concept of God's words. Just because one can read, doesn't mean they can comprehend what they have read.

WOW!!


OK! Who hacked your account???
Is this really Cee????
 
I can respect that. Actually I have no problem with JayRob belief either, I just like poking fun at him. He always has a come back. :lol:
The convicted will almost alwasy do that.

This reminds me of a story the preacher at the church I attend told recently.

He said, "How can you be a member of a church and say, "He might not be able to read, but he sure can preach the word." The preacher then says, "How are folks going to learn under someone who can't read?

Well said no matter what you believe.
 
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dacontinent [QUOTE said:
[*]Babies and Seniors, animal life and property - God gave Israel orders on multiple occasions to destroy those that opposed Him and his people. Some of them who were destroyed were of Israel.

What did innocent newborn babies have to do with being an enemy of the biblical god? The excuses you're making on behalf of the OT god are weak and illogical at best.
You are so afraid to admit that a so-called god of love was responsible for the hacking to death of thousands of children.

[*]You are very selective in choosing what you read and understand.

You're selective in your honesty when it comes to simply admitting that the OT god murdered thousands and thousands of innocent children.

[*]You seem to fail to read what you write:
And then deny it.

What did I write, deny and fail to understand what I wrote? Be more specific.

[*]I give you the same logical explanation about man seeing God and not seeing God that I give to my elementary (ages 6-8) Sunday Schoolers. They understand and you don't.

Don't just tell me what you give to your elementary students, explain it to me. Lately, you've had the habit of claiming you know the answer, but you fail to post that answer when requested to do so.
Secondly, the biblical god claims in one breath that he was seen in the OT; this same god then claims that NO man (no exceptions) hath seen god at any time. The very person who made that statement was supposed to be god and was said to have walked the earth preaching for three and a half years, yet nobody saw him?! According to his own words, I guess he wasn't god after all.

[*]My education is certified on multiple levels by several august bodies that are recognized regionally, nationally, and internationally. Yes, I do believe the Biblical accounts of natural abnormalities.

Where's the evidence that a donkey talked? That the sun stopped? Of the exodus?

[*]I have posted sources for your research that are not found on the internet. Somehow you discredit them without even investigating them at all. That's not very scientific of you.

Dacon, cease with the nonsense. That jargon you posted about some unknown rabbi is rubbish. Either post evidence that we all can look up or admit that you have no evidence of this "Jeremiah" book you mentioned weeks ago, yet you've not posted anything credible substantiating such a book.

[*]Spend a little time reading James and you will logically understand that faith without works does not exist; it's just hot air.

Faith PLUS works doesn't equate to faith alone. That's like saying black plus white equals black. It's not black, it's gray. Faith alone means faith alone.

[*]When your world reknown archeologist tell you in what you posted that it is just his opinion and not evidence, how is it that you make it into evidence?

If this world renowned archaeologist had merely stated his opinion/belief, WITHOUT conducting excavations, digs, research and geological testings, THEN you could honestly and unequivocally state that he was merely giving an opinion.
He not only made a statement, he backed up that statement by his works of research, excavations and historical documentation. That's light years ahead of a mere opinion. If you're honest, you'll admit this.

The exact definition of an opinion is what you have given....which is a simple belief supported by zero archaeological findings, zero credible historical documentation and zero research findings. That's all you have.

[*]You clearly do not have the experiences in mortuary SCIENCE that I have. Otherwise you would not be suggesting that formaldehyde would be administred to a corpse in small quantities.

You can limit this case to just formaldehyde if that's what you choose to do. When one combines all the facts and the many flaws of the article, one would have to show himself to be more gullible than the average person if he were to continue to hold on to the story as being factual.
I won't even mention the small size of the so-called coffin sitting right next to the larger man who was supposed to have lived in the coffin for several days, nor will I mention the failed history of the very evangelist who made this story public on a worldwide scale. His history is shady at best.
 
I used to ferverently until I thought one day, "what if I was born into another religion, and never heard of Jesus Christ or Christianity?" What if I died the year before Jesus was born, or was born hundreds of thousands of years ago? Would I be condemned to something I had no knowledge about? Being that I do have knowledge, who says it's right? Is it right because someone threatens me with 'hellfire,' knowing that them nor I have witnessed no one come back and tell us how the afterlife is? I can not prove that neither exist or not, but if it does, it goes beyond our comprehension. I cherish this life I have now, and I treat everybody the same. This is regardless of what they believe, or where they're from, or their orientation, or their race and gender. I live my life to the best of my ability, and do good just because it's the right thing to do, not for a reward I honestly have no idea that I would receive. This is what Jesus would have done and have done so.

Well said.
I wouldn't wish eternal hellfire (if there's such a thing), on my worst enemy, but people who claim to have love in their heart seem to have no problem with such an outrageous injustice.

Of all the religions I'm aware of, Christianity has the most unjust punishment of all.
A person lives only seventy years, yet he's destined to suffer in torching fire for eternity, which means billions upon billions of years for all eternity merely for seventy years of bad works?! If it wasn't so evil, it'd be funny.

That's not love, that's evil at it's core, by a man-made god who has no inkling of the meaning of the terms mercy and justice.
 
This reminds me of a story the preacher at the church I attend told recently.

He said, "How can you be a member of a church and say, "He might not be able to read, but he sure can preach the word." The preacher then says, "How are folks going to learn under someone who can't read?

According to unsubstantiated history, many of the disciples couldn't read.
 
Well said.
I wouldn't wish eternal hellfire (if there's such a thing), on my worst enemy, but people who claim to have love in their heart seem to have no problem with such an outrageous injustice.

Of all the religions I'm aware of, Christianity has the most unjust punishment of all.
A person lives only seventy years, yet he's destined to suffer in torching fire for eternity, which means billions upon billions of years for all eternity merely for seventy years of bad works?! If it wasn't so evil, it'd be funny.

That's not love, that's evil at it's core, by a man-made god who has no inkling of the meaning of the terms mercy and justice.


Hey JayRob..........:wavey:

You post that with such conviction; almost as if you have positive proof that God has no inkling of the meaning of the terms mercy and justice.

I don't know if you remember posting, but you once told me that you did believe in God and that you were a Believer; you said some circumstances happened in your life to otherwise change your belief. If you think back to that time before you chose not to believe, acknowledge, love, and trust God, I'm sure you can recall moments of bliss, peace, and tranquility. They may be few, but I'm sure you'll recall that God truly is a merciful God and He does bring justice to those who rightfully deserve it.

I really hope you can go back to that time......you may not believe in God, but He believes in you.:)
 
What did innocent newborn babies have to do with being an enemy of the biblical god? The excuses you're making on behalf of the OT god are weak and illogical at best.
You are so afraid to admit that a so-called god of love was responsible for the hacking to death of thousands of children.
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You can limit this case to just formaldehyde if that's what you choose to do. When one combines all the facts and the many flaws of the article, one would have to show himself to be more gullible than the average person if he were to continue to hold on to the story as beinng factual.
I won't even mention the small size of the so-called coffin sitting right next to the larger man who was supposed to have liveud in the coffin for several days, nor will I mention the failed history of the very evangelist who made this story public on a worldwide scale. His history is shady at best.
  • You started this thread. None of the posts have been removed. Read what you wrote. I think of you as being reasonably intelligent.
  • I give you the same explanation that I give 6 year olds, verbatim. You don't get it and they get it without me having to repeat it.
  • Any orthodox Jewish rabbi will give you the information that you seek. Just pick one and quit whining.fff
  • You read all around the scripture and do not bother to try to understand them.
  • You posted links to articles about a man dying, being embalmed, and laid to rest in a coffin. Plus you claim that the coffin was too small. Yet the man lives but you have no explanation for that. E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E.
  • Your world-reknowned archeologist completed his findings without gathering any evidence and tells us that he offers his opinion. You are contending with your own expert.
  • Faith grows by continually hearing the Word of God. You refuse to hear so you get nothing.
 
Hey JayRob..........:wavey:

You post that with such conviction; almost as if you have positive proof that God has no inkling of the meaning of the terms mercy and justice.

I don't know if you remember posting, but you once told me that you did believe in God and that you were a Believer; you said some circumstances happened in your life to otherwise change your belief. If you think back to that time before you chose not to believe, acknowledge, love, and trust God, I'm sure you can recall moments of bliss, peace, and tranquility. They may be few, but I'm sure you'll recall that God truly is a merciful God and He does bring justice to those who rightfully deserve it.

I really hope you can go back to that time......you may not believe in God, but He believes in you.:)

If I'm not mistaken, I posted that I merely believed in the biblical god because that's what I was taught from birth.

Unbeknownst to me like millions of others, I never thought to investigate on my own the origins of Christianity.
Once I did, it opened up an entire can of worms that stunk with plagiarism of other religions; it stunk with untrue and unreliable prophecies; it stunk with inaccurate history; it stunk with unscientific statements; it stunk with unprovable fairytale-like fables (such as the sun stopping and a donkey talking) and it stunk with the fact that the religion blames evil spirits for the primary cause of diseases.
How could this possibly be true, when every educated person knows that microscopic viruses, bacteria and fungi are the cause of diseases?
It's ironic as to why the biblical writers never mention such microscopic creatures.
It's because the bible is man-made and it's writers couldn't know about them until the coming of the microscope.

If the biblical authors had access to the mind of an all-knowing god, this god would never have allowed them to write that evil spirits were the cause of diseases.

These are the many reasons why I had to honestly and logically question such a religion founded on such a shaky and unstable foundation.
I'm thankful and fortunate to have done so.
 
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dacontinent; [QUOTE said:
[*]You started this thread. None of the posts have been removed. Read what you wrote. I think of you as being reasonably intelligent.

As usual and on cue, you evade directly answering the question because you know it would make the biblical god look evil, unjust and like a tyrannical dictator with no mercy for the innocent. If you did believe such, you'd be right.
The killing of thousands upon thousands of innocent women, babies and children can never be justified by an honest and sane person.

[*]I give you the same explanation that I give 6 year olds, verbatim. You don't get it and they get it without me having to repeat it.

Again you run away and evade directly answering simple questions. You can't logically explain why the biblical god killed off thousands of innocent, yet labels himself as a god of love, neither can you explain how your god can claim to be seen, yet claims that no man hath seen him. Instead, you evade and filibuster instead of directly answering for fear of incriminating the biblical god and your beliefs.

[*]Any orthodox Jewish rabbi will give you the information that you seek. Just pick one and quit whining.fff

More evading. I didn't ask for a response from a rabbi in answer to the so-called Jeremiah book you claim exists. I asked you.
So far, you've come up short and empty of evidence proving that such a book exists.
Instead of admitting your failure, you'd rather go on making excuses. It's quite obvious that no such book exists but your vanity and pride will not allow you to admit such at this point and time.

[*]You read all around the scripture and do not bother to try to understand them.

What scripture are you referring to? For a person who claims to not have a holy spirit, I can hold my own against most biblical believers, including yourself.
Now please tell me which scripture I don't try to understand.

[*]You posted links to articles about a man dying, being embalmed, and laid to rest in a coffin. Plus you claim that the coffin was too small. Yet the man lives but you have no explanation for that. E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E.

No, I posted an article that gave major doubts to claims that a man actually died; that a man was embalmed; and that this same man was put in a small coffin for several days.
Nevermind the fact that none of this was recorded by independent eyewitnesses and/or medical professionals.
When it's all said and done, you're merely taking the word of a known religious sheister.

[*]Your world-reknowned archeologist completed his findings without gathering any evidence and tells us that he offers his opinion. You are contending with your own expert.

This world renowned archaelogists offered far more than an opinion. He offered the absence of evidence of an exodus as described in the bible. Why you refuse to admit this is beyond me.

What the biblical author of the exodus offers is a mere opinion and a story that can't be corroborated by any book outside the bible.

Isn't it ironic that no surrounding nations recorded info related to this exdous? Isn't it even more ironic that there's no extra-biblical evidence proving that 2-3 million people left Egypt in one night?
Of ALL the historians who were alive at that time, it's suspicious that not ONE of them decided to write about such a magnifcent event, an event that would've been the story of the century in that part of the world.

Egypt's enemies would loved to have humiliated them by recording the history of slaves overpowering one of the greatest nations in the world at that time, but not one word came from Egypt's enemies....not one. Why? Because it never happened.

To go even further, there's no evidence that a kingdom of Israel, as described in the bible, ever existed.
How could this be? If this "great" kingdom traded, fought and had ties with surrounding nations, there would SURELY be some type of recording by those nations mentioning such a kingdom, but there's nothing. There's zilch....nada....not one shred of evidence of such a kingdom. Only in the bible does such a kingdom exist.

It's ashamed that folks just choose to believe such fables only because it's in the bible, a book known and shown to be full of untrue statements and inaccurate historical documentation. That's your prerogative.

[*]Faith grows by continually hearing the Word of God. You refuse to hear so you get nothing.

You're mistaken. I don't need faith to grow, I need evidence. The bible doesn't provide much of that at all.
 
As usual and on cue, you evade directly answering the question because you know it would make the biblical god look evil, unjust and like a tyrannical dictator with no mercy for the innocent. If you did believe such, you'd be right.
The killing of thousands upon thousands of innocent women, babies and children can never be justified by an honest and sane person.
... [all that stuff] ...
You're mistaken. I don't need faith to grow, I need evidence. The bible doesn't provide much of that at all.
Thanks for the validation.
 
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