Texas Southern Begins National Search for New Football Coach


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Surely you cant be this slow....Coach Toe was a coach in name only. He was never an official member of the staff. He was a volunteer. And please explain the business sense issue you keep bringing up. Please present facts not your personal theories. How has it harmed the program, what additional would have been gained by Shannon being made head Coach. As I see it noone else has made him a head at the collegiate level yet. Why not? Your man crush on Shannon is showing....

Good business sense is all about hiring the best man/woman for the job regardless of culture. There will be a greater return on the investment. You compare resumes and pick the most productive candidate or one of equal value to the best. It's called common sense. Why didn't Big Daddy promote from within?
 
Good business sense is all about hiring the best man/woman for the job regardless of culture. There will be a greater return on the investment. You compare resumes and pick the most productive candidate or one of equal value to the best. It's called common sense. Why didn't Big Daddy promote from within? [/COLOR]


Big Daddy didn't have too many coaches left over from their hey day when he took over. Remember Markham and all his cronies were gone and others retired. Even Cardell Jones was at Alcorn. That was yall transition years with younger JSU coaches coming in under Big Daddy except for a few like Hughes who had been around for years and due to the attrition of yall losing coaches along the way, he had made it up the ladder, hence him getting the job when Big Daddy got sick. They were the last of the 80s crew under W.C. The formula of JSU promoting within worked when WC replaced Hill and Big Daddy replace WC. JSU still had continuity. It was when Big Daddy got sick and passed on and Hughes took control when things started slipping. Even Big Daddy had stayed healthy and lived, he probably would have had to hire some younger guys to groom and keep the JSU thing going. So the formula was not a bad one. Now once you run out of good assistants to promote to the Head job, then you have to look outside. That is probably what should have happened after 99. But I remember JSU handing the job to Hughes right before the SCG in 99 to not affect recruiting. Folks who wanted John Shannon at the time were ticked off but I don't remember it being an outrage or anything. JSU just rolled with what had worked for them for years. I am sure WC had some input and Hughes was friends with many in that Blue Bengal Association. Was he deserving on the HC job. Probably not. But he is a good dude and I can see why JSU gave him the opportunity. He just didn't have the same solid assistants that his predecessors had. That year was probably when yall should have hired Fred Jackson from Michigan. I know for a fact he wanted the job back then. He would have been a better hire than John Shannon or Hughes in my opinion.
 



WC was Assoc. Head under Hill, Carson moved to that position after Bishops illness and later death, Hughes held it under Carson....You see the pattern....BTW... I played under them all but Crazy Bob Hill!!!! and Coach Bishop was also the Special Teams Coach prior to Judge! The coaches understood the hiearchy.

I see your pattern but you didn't answer my question. Carson was the DC. What position did Bishop hold? I'm quite sure W.C. was a coordinator.

JR, I know we always promoted from within but why was the RB coach the Assoc HC. Where they do that at? Im just saying that Hughes was Assoc HC 'cause they didn't want Dwight Mann to be the Assoc HC...even tho Shannon was making MORE than Carson.
 
. Even Big Daddy had stayed healthy and lived, he probably would have had to hire some younger guys to groom and keep the JSU thing going. So the formula was not a bad one. Now once you run out of good assistants to promote to the Head job, then you have to look outside. That is probably what should have happened after 99. But I remember JSU handing the job to Hughes right before the SCG in 99 to not affect recruiting. Folks who wanted John Shannon at the time were ticked off but I don't remember it being an outrage or anything. JSU just rolled with what had worked for them for years..

I can practically guarantee you that IF Shannon was black, he would have been the Assoc HC. In fact, if you gonna pay Shannon all of that money, why not make him AHC to justify his salary?
 
He would come, because we got that doe. To date over 200 others are interested. Even the committee is surprised at some of names. President Rudley+ Dr. McClelland=$$$ for the right one.

Man, just because you got apps don't mean folks are willing to take that job. When they get there and find out what they have to deal with, they gonna leave a trail of dust... fa real!
 
Big Daddy didn't have too many coaches left over from their hey day when he took over. Remember Markham and all his cronies were gone and others retired. Even Cardell Jones was at Alcorn. That was yall transition years with younger JSU coaches coming in under Big Daddy except for a few like Hughes who had been around for years and due to the attrition of yall losing coaches along the way, he had made it up the ladder, hence him getting the job when Big Daddy got sick. They were the last of the 80s crew under W.C. The formula of JSU promoting within worked when WC replaced Hill and Big Daddy replace WC. JSU still had continuity. It was when Big Daddy got sick and passed on and Hughes took control when things started slipping. Even Big Daddy had stayed healthy and lived, he probably would have had to hire some younger guys to groom and keep the JSU thing going. So the formula was not a bad one. Now once you run out of good assistants to promote to the Head job, then you have to look outside. That is probably what should have happened after 99. But I remember JSU handing the job to Hughes right before the SCG in 99 to not affect recruiting. Folks who wanted John Shannon at the time were ticked off but I don't remember it being an outrage or anything. JSU just rolled with what had worked for them for years. I am sure WC had some input and Hughes was friends with many in that Blue Bengal Association. Was he deserving on the HC job. Probably not. But he is a good dude and I can see why JSU gave him the opportunity. He just didn't have the same solid assistants that his predecessors had. That year was probably when yall should have hired Fred Jackson from Michigan. I know for a fact he wanted the job back then. He would have been a better hire than John Shannon or Hughes in my opinion.

My only point is that a good business minded individual will always hire the best candidate for the job because the return on investment is greater. If you're not going to hire the best candidate for the job, then why f%&K around wit a search committee and other hiring practices? Why play these silly childish games and waste folks time? And we wonder why some of our institutions are struggling financially. It makes no sense.
 
I see your pattern but you didn't answer my question. Carson was the DC. What position did Bishop hold? I'm quite sure W.C. was a coordinator.

JR, I know we always promoted from within but why was the RB coach the Assoc HC. Where they do that at? Im just saying that Hughes was Assoc HC 'cause they didn't want Dwight Mann to be the Assoc HC...even tho Shannon was making MORE than Carson.
He was the special teams coach....It's in my statement earlier!!!
 
I see your pattern but you didn't answer my question. Carson was the DC. What position did Bishop hold? I'm quite sure W.C. was a coordinator.

JR, I know we always promoted from within but why was the RB coach the Assoc HC. Where they do that at? Im just saying that Hughes was Assoc HC 'cause they didn't want Dwight Mann to be the Assoc HC...even tho Shannon was making MORE than Carson.

You see TP, they act like they can't understand why Carson, the AD, president and college board approved the above. That salary was justifiable and in a sense saying that Shannon was the best assistant on the coaching staff.
 
How does this coorelate with JSU's situation. We were never in a Head Coach search mode. We simply promoted from within. We never held a search for that job. Keep up please.
My only point is that a good business minded individual will always hire the best candidate for the job because the return on investment is greater. If you're not going to hire the best candidate for the job, then why f%&K around wit a search committee and other hiring practices? Why play these silly childish games and waste folks time? And we wonder why some of our institutions are struggling financially. It makes no sense.
 
I see your pattern but you didn't answer my question. Carson was the DC. What position did Bishop hold? I'm quite sure W.C. was a coordinator.

JR, I know we always promoted from within but why was the RB coach the Assoc HC. Where they do that at? Im just saying that Hughes was Assoc HC 'cause they didn't want Dwight Mann to be the Assoc HC...even tho Shannon was making MORE than Carson.
This was at the hands of Carson, he took less to get what he wanted. Nothing more nothing less. Carson hired Shannon!
 



It happens all the time in athletics....Almost every coach on campuses across the US make more than their boss, the AD.... Next question.
...but that salary had to be approved by those that I mentioned. In all my years, I've never seen an assistant earn more than the boss. Have you?
 
We were discussing our coaches from the 80's and 90's I thought. Stay with me. And for the record there was never a true search when we hired Bell. He was given the job by Culberson.

There was never a real search when we hired Comegy either. :lol: We have not had a coaching search in jackson since we hired the first one.
 
We were discussing our coaches from the 80's and 90's I thought. Stay with me. And for the record there was never a true search when we hired Bell. He was given the job by Culberson.


...that's what I'm saying. Why f#%k around with a search committee if you're not going to hire the best man/woman for the job? That's a waste of time, money and resources. As you can see, that BS cost the AD his job because he didn't apply common sense to his decision.
 
It happens all the time in athletics....Almost every coach on campuses across the US make more than their boss, the AD.... Next question.


Ok, I've never seen an assistant AD make more than the AD, or an assistant coach make more than the HC, or the VP make more than the president and etc.
 
Yes... It was how things worked then. All the coaches understood it. The only coach with tenture that probably would not have gotten the job with tenture was Coach Pete, and that's a whole tale of itself.McKenzie, Markham, Jones all left for HC gigs because they all knew they were a few rungs down the totem pole for the JSU head job.
So you think they would have given Bishop the HC job over Markham, Carson, and Jones?
 
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