Third Down Thursday: NCAA is opening a Pandora’s Box that HBCUs can’t close


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Third Down Thursday: NCAA is opening a Pandora’s Box that HBCUs can’t close

By Kendrick Marshall on <abbr class="date time published" title="2011-11-03T11:41:25-0400">November 3, 2011</abbr>

Southern University is not LSU. Alabama State is not the University of Alabama. Tennessee State is not the University of Tennessee. The MEAC is not the ACC. They are separate and not equal. There are 2,000 reasons why.
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Spelling is fundamental..... Brian is not Brain... Must spell check in order to be taken seriously...
 
Anonymous said:
Spelling is fundamental..... Brian is not Brain... Must spell check in order to be taken seriously...
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This is still one of Kendrick's best columns.

However, it should be "talking" instead of "taking" in Spears' comment about the budget factor.
 
So now we gonna start crying because WE don't consistantly sell tickets to our games like the Michigans of the world? No way you can blame the PWC's for our situation in this because they have always had more money than us, (ALUMS GIVING BACK), and they have stayed CURRENT in the land of college sports.........UNLIKE US. Their fans and Alums have also been WAY more supportive of their teams than we are by season ticket and weekly ticket sales alone.

We can't even get all of the students on our campuses to walk across campus and attend games. :lol:
 
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jstate83 said:
So now we gonna start crying because WE don't consistantly sell tickets to our games like the Michigans of the world? No way you can blame the PWC's for our situation in this because they have always had more money than us. Their fans have also been WAY more supportive of their teams than we are by weekly ticket sales alone.

We can't even get all of the students on our campuses to walk across campus and attend games. :lol:
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I didn't detect any blame of the PWCs. I think the point is that giving schools the OK to give student athletes up to $2000 more a year makes it that much harder to recruit athletes to HBCUs because they can't afford to pay $2000.
 
jstate83 said:
So now we gonna start crying because WE don't consistantly sell tickets to our games like the Michigans of the world? No way you can blame the PWC's for our situation in this because they have always had more money than us, (ALUMS GIVING BACK), and they have stayed CURRENT in the land of college sports.........UNLIKE US. Their fans and Alums have also been WAY more supportive of their teams than we are by season ticket and weekly ticket sales alone.

We can't even get all of the students on our campuses to walk across campus and attend games. :lol:
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It really isn't a PWC/HBCU issue. It's a haves/haves-not issue. Although the issue will affect us, it will pretty much all non-BCS level schools. As Gene Smith said in his tweet that Kendrick misquoted, only 60-70 schools would be actually able to afford to pay that stipend.
 
SAME OLD G said:
I didn't detect any blame of the PWCs. I think the point is that giving schools the OK to give student athletes up to $2000 more a year makes it that much harder to recruit athletes to HBCUs because they can't afford to pay $2000.
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Ain't gonna be no picnic for the TROYS, USM, Memphis, and Lou Techs of the college sports world either. Gurantee you FBS schools like these don't have $2000 each for their athletes either. :tup:
 
We live in a capitalistic, free-market country. I think Universities who can afford to give their students the $2000 stipend should be allowed to do so. Universities are businesses. Just because Wells Fargo can't give out bonuses, doesn't mean that Goldman Sachs should banned from doing so.
 
jsupop33 said:
We live in a capitalistic, free-market country. I think Universities who can afford to give their students the $2000 stipend should be allowed to do so. Universities are businesses. Just because Wells Fargo can't give out bonuses, doesn't mean that Goldman Sachs should banned from doing so.
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Totally different than businesses in that sense.

If that's the case, why not officially allow schools to put athletes on payroll for signing? Contracts like professional teams? Agents? Give em car allowances, 401Ks, etc?

Makes no sense right?
 



jag4life said:
Totally different than businesses in that sense.

If that's the case, why not officially allow schools to put athletes on payroll for signing? Contracts like professional teams? Agents? Give em car allowances, 401Ks, etc?

Makes no sense right?
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To you, probably not cause you still believe that college athletics is an amateur sport.

I recognize that it is a business. Those same schools that can afford to give their players $2000 a piece can afford to buy $2000 more worth of merchandise or clothing and food stipends. You can not level the playing field. No matter how much we want to.
 
jsupop33 said:
To you, probably not cause you still believe that college athletics is an amateur sport.

I recognize that it is a business. Those same schools that can afford to give their players $2000 a piece can afford to buy $2000 more worth of merchandise or clothing and food stipends. You can not level the playing field. No matter how much we want to.
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But you can't just let it go to that extent. Maybe limit FCS to $500/athlete at most. $2000/athlete would cripple most FCS athletic budgets.

BTW, I know college sports isn't totally amateur for all FBS schools.
 
jag4life said:
But you can't just let it go to that extent. Maybe limit FCS to $500/athlete at most. $2000/athlete would cripple most FCS athletic budgets.

BTW, I know college sports isn't totally amateur for all FBS schools.
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I can agree with that proposal.
 
If this is truly and issue of the Haves vs. the Have Nots, then wouldn't everybody but those 14 schools who made money be the Have Nots?

I mean ... if every athletic department is in the red or breaking even ... an additional expense of $2000 per athlete would put everybody deeper in the hole. No? If that's the case, maybe we should question whether this is a good idea for colleges in general.

I think the true Pandora's box is the amateurism issue. If the NCAA sanctions paying players $2000, how did they determine that was an appropriate amount to remain an amateur? Why not $8000? Or the proceeds from selling a jersey or a championship ring? To me this is a slippery slope and I think it will be hard for the NCAA to legitimately justify refusing any payments to players because of this rule. I sense a lawsuit coming.
 
SUJagFan said:
If this is truly and issue of the Haves vs. the Have Nots, then wouldn't everybody but those 14 schools who made money be the Have Nots?

I mean ... if every athletic department is in the red or breaking even ... an additional expense of $2000 per athlete would put everybody deeper in the hole. No? If that's the case, maybe we should question whether this is a good idea for colleges in general.

I think the true Pandora's box is the amateurism issue. If the NCAA sanctions paying players $2000, how did they determine that was an appropriate amount to remain an amateur? Why not $8000? Or the proceeds from selling a jersey or a championship ring? To me this is a slippery slope and I think it will be hard for the NCAA to legitimately justify refusing any payments to players because of this rule. I sense a lawsuit coming.
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Pretty much all big-time programs "make" money, through different accounting tricks, they generally tend to report breaking even. Just wait and see how all those programs that claimed to not turn a profit find a way to pay that extra $2000.
 
This will only turn into a recruiting tool, and make the gap between the majors and mid majors bigger. In thats where I have a problem, it shouldnt be a up to.. if the NCAA is going to do it, it should be required that all Schools in D1 participate in the Practice.
 
stroke said:
This will only turn into a recruiting tool, and make the gap between the majors and mid majors bigger. In thats where I have a problem, it shouldnt be a up to.. if the NCAA is going to do it, it should be required that all Schools in D1 participate in the Practice.
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Exactly! :tup: The only way to remedy this problem is to implement a playoff system and get rid of the BCS. Only then will coaches and athletic directors focus their efforts on the real issues. This would curtail those high coaching salaries, spread the talent across the board--because anyone can knock anyone out in a playoff (see NCAA b-ball tournament), and ultimately, create a system of continuity. No longer can boosters play as an important role as they do currently.

Put in a playoff system after the regular season with roughly 36 teams and I promise you would see the landscape of college football change instantaneously. :tup:
 
coldsweat said:
Exactly! :tup: The only way to remedy this problem is to implement a playoff system and get rid of the BCS. Only then will coaches and athletic directors focus their efforts on the real issues. This would curtail those high coaching salaries, spread the talent across the board--because anyone can knock anyone out in a playoff (see NCAA b-ball tournament), and ultimately, create a system of continuity. No longer can boosters play as an important role as they do currently.

Put in a playoff system after the regular season with roughly 36 teams and I promise you would see the landscape of college football change instantaneously. :tup:
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Even with a playoff, you still don't solve the financial disparity that takes place among conferences. Fine, have a playoff. But that multi-year $2 billion TV contract the SEC signed with ESPN is not going anywhere neither is the $300 million network contract Texas signed or the $25 million the Big Ten gets for each school as a result of its TV contract. There still will be inequity unless there is substantial revenue sharing.

Even with the NCAA basketball tournament, the best young athletes more often than not will go to BCS schools. And studies have shown that schools with large budgets and are able to generate millions in revenue, will more than likely end up flooding the field with teams and winning the national championship.

Plus, I don't like the idea of college athletes (especially football players being involved in a lengthy postseason, and not being financially compensated for it) Folks have to remember these young people are missing class and study time. Not to mention placing their bodies on the line. It is been revealed that college athletics is a basically a full-time jobs for student-athletes.

I don't care about playoffs or the BCS. I only care about what good for the student-athletes and the member institutions.
 
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