I thought Obama said
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SUtrp96
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Well remain "stuck" my negga..
When the church was saying Bush had something to do with 911.. were you "stuck" then?
(before folk start posting like Im a republican... I thought he had something to do with it or had prior knowledge of it myself)
Well remain "stuck" my negga..
When the church was saying Bush had something to do with 911.. were you "stuck" then?
(before folk start posting like Im a republican... I thought he had something to do with it or had prior knowledge of it myself)
coldsweat
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So with everything you said, you believe the biggest burden is government with all of these "social programs" and the military...Correct?
And if this is the case, keep in mind that Obama's plan proposed 4 trillion to be cut....at least half of that was devoted toward these social programs that you don't link as well as SS, and Medicare! The rest would come in the form of eliminating the Bush tax cuts for anyone making over 250K/year. And don't forget that the Bush tax cuts really aren't tax cuts. They are "tax spending" because Bush didn't figure out a way to PAY for it. He just did it! :shame:
This seems like a fair deal down the center. Liberals cut entitlement, and Conservs cut their tax breaks and tax loopholes. But noooo, these modern day Repbus still don't get it. Democrats have insisted on raising new revenues in any deal that would include deep spending cuts. But Republicans are adamantly opposed to any tax increases, even if it is limited to closing tax loopholes for the wealthiest Americans. :shame:
You can enter this under the section of "treason!" :nod:
So with everything you said, you believe the biggest burden is government with all of these "social programs" and the military...Correct?
And if this is the case, keep in mind that Obama's plan proposed 4 trillion to be cut....at least half of that was devoted toward these social programs that you don't link as well as SS, and Medicare! The rest would come in the form of eliminating the Bush tax cuts for anyone making over 250K/year. And don't forget that the Bush tax cuts really aren't tax cuts. They are "tax spending" because Bush didn't figure out a way to PAY for it. He just did it! :shame: This seems like a fair deal down the center. Liberals cut entitlement, and Conservs cut their tax breaks and tax loopholes. But noooo, these modern day Repbus still don't get it. Democrats have insisted on raising new revenues in any deal that would include deep spending cuts. But Republicans are adamantly opposed to any tax increases, even if it is limited to closing tax loopholes for the wealthiest Americans. :shame:
You can enter this under the section of "treason!" :nod:
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
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I never agree that earning 250K was rich.. but some way they done made it seem as if that was "rich"...
Middle class is being taxed out the azz rich are paying taxes.. but yet we have over 40% not paying taxes..
It's a lot of logical things that can be done without raising taxes on those that are already paying their share... the "loop holes" I agree get rid of them.. that stuff was created for "political" reasons. Simple and plain "everyone" working pay income taxes.. Shyt if 20 of the 40% that ain't paying paid taxes... that would be a big help (imo).
Thing is both parties are flat wrong.. Everything they do is to ensure they are elected back in office. Term limits with fix a lot of this shyt.
So with everything you said, you believe the biggest burden is government with all of these "social programs" and the military...Correct?
This seems like a fair deal down the center. Liberals cut entitlement, and Conservs cut their tax breaks and tax loopholes. But noooo, these modern day Repbus still don't get it. Democrats have insisted on raising new revenues in any deal that would include deep spending cuts. But Republicans are adamantly opposed to any tax increases, even if it is limited to closing tax loopholes for the wealthiest Americans. :shame:
You can enter this under the section of "treason!" :nod:
I never agree that earning 250K was rich.. but some way they done made it seem as if that was "rich"...
Middle class is being taxed out the azz rich are paying taxes.. but yet we have over 40% not paying taxes..
It's a lot of logical things that can be done without raising taxes on those that are already paying their share... the "loop holes" I agree get rid of them.. that stuff was created for "political" reasons. Simple and plain "everyone" working pay income taxes.. Shyt if 20 of the 40% that ain't paying paid taxes... that would be a big help (imo).
Thing is both parties are flat wrong.. Everything they do is to ensure they are elected back in office. Term limits with fix a lot of this shyt.
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
coldsweat
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But see, that's where you are wrong! The "rich" are NOT paying their fair share! This is the lowest taxes have been in OVER 50 years! There has been an all out assault on the middle class for the past 12years, but nothing on the supposed rich! :shame: And regardless of what you say, 250K/year is a lot of money. Doesn't matter if you have 2 or 3 kids and a nice home! If I'm supposed to live below my means with my salary, so are the people with over 250K/year. They NEED to pay their fare share.
But see, that's where you are wrong! The "rich" are NOT paying their fair share! This is the lowest taxes have been in OVER 50 years! There has been an all out assault on the middle class for the past 12years, but nothing on the supposed rich! :shame: And regardless of what you say, 250K/year is a lot of money. Doesn't matter if you have 2 or 3 kids and a nice home! If I'm supposed to live below my means with my salary, so are the people with over 250K/year. They NEED to pay their fare share.
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
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What's ever fair should be paid.. but how we keep ignoring the 40% that ain't paying "nathen"? I don't disagree.. I been a middle class citizen for over 10 years.. So I know I'm getting taxed too much.. which is why I'm pissed..
You see it more from a stand point.. make the rich pay more..
I see it fromt he stand point..make the folk who ain't paying pay and let's see where that get us
What's ever fair should be paid.. but how we keep ignoring the 40% that ain't paying "nathen"? I don't disagree.. I been a middle class citizen for over 10 years.. So I know I'm getting taxed too much.. which is why I'm pissed..
You see it more from a stand point.. make the rich pay more..
I see it fromt he stand point..make the folk who ain't paying pay and let's see where that get us
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What are the 40% that "ain't paying" going to pay with? How much money do you think the country can raise off people making under $20K?
What are the 40% that "ain't paying" going to pay with? How much money do you think the country can raise off people making under $20K?
southsuburbs
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Makaho 2.0
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Pretty much every round of tax hikes have failed. This concept goes beyond political parties. A sad fact of life is that the poor and middle class do not create jobs or industry.....the rich do. By simply punishing the very bastion that is keeping the country afloat is counter productive. Now throw in the percentage that make 250,000 a year and you are punishing even more people for being successful. We simply have a problem spending and managing the money we already have. The U.S. Govt. generates zero income, they get all of their money from US. The rich business owners however, do create jobs and income.
But what I see coming from the Dems with what they are doing is more sinister than the class warfare they are trying to envoke. The left knows they can't govern. They proved that when they had ALL control. They desperately need to share blame, if not totally deflecting it onto Republicans.
Pretty much every round of tax hikes have failed. This concept goes beyond political parties. A sad fact of life is that the poor and middle class do not create jobs or industry.....the rich do. By simply punishing the very bastion that is keeping the country afloat is counter productive. Now throw in the percentage that make 250,000 a year and you are punishing even more people for being successful. We simply have a problem spending and managing the money we already have. The U.S. Govt. generates zero income, they get all of their money from US. The rich business owners however, do create jobs and income.
But what I see coming from the Dems with what they are doing is more sinister than the class warfare they are trying to envoke. The left knows they can't govern. They proved that when they had ALL control. They desperately need to share blame, if not totally deflecting it onto Republicans.
GSU4LIFE
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How have they failed when Regan raised rates after 1st lowering them. When he lowered them the economy was starting to tank. He raised them and we saw growth. Bush 1 raised taxe and Clinton raised taxes. During Clinton's and Bush 1 time we had growth. Bush lowered taxes and increased the debt(with wars, unfunded Medicare part D etc., now look.
How have they failed when Regan raised rates after 1st lowering them. When he lowered them the economy was starting to tank. He raised them and we saw growth. Bush 1 raised taxe and Clinton raised taxes. During Clinton's and Bush 1 time we had growth. Bush lowered taxes and increased the debt(with wars, unfunded Medicare part D etc., now look.
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
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That's my biggest point..
When have a poor man created multiple jobs for other poor folk?
we have to face reality with some of the tax issue...
Even if the 40% percent of this total population SOMETHING towards the benefit of this country we all live in... Sounds only fair to me...
That's my biggest point..
When have a poor man created multiple jobs for other poor folk?
we have to face reality with some of the tax issue...
Even if the 40% percent of this total population SOMETHING towards the benefit of this country we all live in... Sounds only fair to me...
coldsweat
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So are you saying the Repubs KNOW how to govern? :lol: :lol:
Every economic achievement--from a governmental perspective--that this country has achieved has involved an increase in taxes! From Reagan to Clinton--during the years where this country has prospered the most, taxes have been increased! You cannot deny that!
To simply say that by punishing people who make over 250K/year will derail the recovery of this country is ridiculous because it is all theoretical. There is no proof to back that up at all. And given the last 10 years where the taxes have been the lowest EVER, you would think that those people over 250K and those millionaires would have put this country in a better position with continuous job growth! But it didn't! Mainly because every rich person I know is not worried about creating jobs. They are worried about how they can become even richer..so they invest in the stock market and send their money to Swiss Banks to hide it from America! That shat aint right, because the average Joe doesn't know how to do it, let alone gather enough funds to do it right! :shame:
And while I will agree that there is some frivolous spending going in the government, let's not make this a one party problem. Because realistically, both parties contributed to this mess, especially with 2 unfunded wars, the Bush TAX SPENDING, and TARP as well as the Stimulus. Those all contributed toward spending but the last president didn't pay for it. That's a fact!
You speak of class warfare that the Dems have initiated, but how?
Dems didn't go after collective bargaining for "average citizens" making less that 250K/year!
Dems didn't go after Planned Parent Hood!
Dems didn't go after Medicare and SS!
Dems didn't go after the Dodd/Frank Act and Consumer Protection Bureau!
Dems didn't go after trying to change the minimum wage in America and try to make people work overtime for LESS!
Dems didn't go after abortion clinics and change the laws on how they operate..essentially making them less effective and almost obsolete!
I could go on, but I think you see the point. Let's talk facts and not theoretical assumptions or ideas based on political base talking points! :nod:
So are you saying the Repubs KNOW how to govern?
:lol: :lol: Every economic achievement--from a governmental perspective--that this country has achieved has involved an increase in taxes! From Reagan to Clinton--during the years where this country has prospered the most, taxes have been increased! You cannot deny that!
To simply say that by punishing people who make over 250K/year will derail the recovery of this country is ridiculous because it is all theoretical. There is no proof to back that up at all. And given the last 10 years where the taxes have been the lowest EVER, you would think that those people over 250K and those millionaires would have put this country in a better position with continuous job growth! But it didn't! Mainly because every rich person I know is not worried about creating jobs. They are worried about how they can become even richer..so they invest in the stock market and send their money to Swiss Banks to hide it from America! That shat aint right, because the average Joe doesn't know how to do it, let alone gather enough funds to do it right! :shame:
And while I will agree that there is some frivolous spending going in the government, let's not make this a one party problem. Because realistically, both parties contributed to this mess, especially with 2 unfunded wars, the Bush TAX SPENDING, and TARP as well as the Stimulus. Those all contributed toward spending but the last president didn't pay for it. That's a fact!
You speak of class warfare that the Dems have initiated, but how?
Dems didn't go after collective bargaining for "average citizens" making less that 250K/year!
Dems didn't go after Planned Parent Hood!
Dems didn't go after Medicare and SS!
Dems didn't go after the Dodd/Frank Act and Consumer Protection Bureau!
Dems didn't go after trying to change the minimum wage in America and try to make people work overtime for LESS!
Dems didn't go after abortion clinics and change the laws on how they operate..essentially making them less effective and almost obsolete!
I could go on, but I think you see the point. Let's talk facts and not theoretical assumptions or ideas based on political base talking points! :nod:
PVSAX99
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So the big business make all the jobs...and therefore, we should depend on them to continue making jobs while everybody else has to scrap for every nickel and dime the big businesses throw on the side of the road. 99% of the folks in this nation MUST depend on the top 1% to keep things moving. So let the top 1% keep all of the money and make their billion dollar profits and hope that some of that money and success trickles down for us to make our ends meet.
Something doesn't seem wrong with that picture? If you are wealthy (in the top 5%) and happen to own a big business, I could understand why you might follow this belief. Otherwise :shame:
It's all good though. After this game of chicken has been played, and both cars collide with each other, EVERYBODY is gonna feel it...even the big business that the Right Wing seems so adamant about protecting. More jobs will be lost. Less money will be made. Less taxes will be paid. You can try to tax somebody who doesn't have a money or a job if you want to. You ain't getting nothing out of them.
So the big business make all the jobs...and therefore, we should depend on them to continue making jobs while everybody else has to scrap for every nickel and dime the big businesses throw on the side of the road. 99% of the folks in this nation MUST depend on the top 1% to keep things moving. So let the top 1% keep all of the money and make their billion dollar profits and hope that some of that money and success trickles down for us to make our ends meet.
Something doesn't seem wrong with that picture? If you are wealthy (in the top 5%) and happen to own a big business, I could understand why you might follow this belief. Otherwise :shame:
It's all good though. After this game of chicken has been played, and both cars collide with each other, EVERYBODY is gonna feel it...even the big business that the Right Wing seems so adamant about protecting. More jobs will be lost. Less money will be made. Less taxes will be paid. You can try to tax somebody who doesn't have a money or a job if you want to. You ain't getting nothing out of them.
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See, you're talking as if ultra-rich INDIVIDUALS do most of the hiring. No, their businesses do the hiring. If you raise Bill Gates' top marginal income tax rate, he won't go lay off 10,000 people from Microsoft. Conversely, when they lowered the individual income tax rates at that level large companies didn't go out and hire people based on that either.
See, you're talking as if ultra-rich INDIVIDUALS do most of the hiring. No, their businesses do the hiring. If you raise Bill Gates' top marginal income tax rate, he won't go lay off 10,000 people from Microsoft. Conversely, when they lowered the individual income tax rates at that level large companies didn't go out and hire people based on that either.
coldsweat
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Nope, they gave the top 5% bigger and more bonuses! :shame: :lol: :lol:
Gotta love it! :shame:
Nope, they gave the top 5% bigger and more bonuses! :shame: :lol: :lol:
Gotta love it! :shame:
SUtrp96
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if that's the case...why is one party always fighting to hike taxes and the other fighting to lower?
The economy is based off of supply and demand...
It's a lot things going on with why the rich do what they do with their money .. like these loop holes the government gives them.. and why they hide their money in over seas accounts to why they move their manufactoring jobs to other countries.
The government plays a huge role in that.. and it's usually done so THEY can live as RICH people.. we are talking about "elected" folk who mostly been career politicians and hardly ever did much in the private sector... folk in DC for 30 40 50 years... Those people not there because they care about the people.. it may have started off like that. But it for sure damn well not the case now.
if that's the case...why is one party always fighting to hike taxes and the other fighting to lower?
The economy is based off of supply and demand...
It's a lot things going on with why the rich do what they do with their money .. like these loop holes the government gives them.. and why they hide their money in over seas accounts to why they move their manufactoring jobs to other countries.
The government plays a huge role in that.. and it's usually done so THEY can live as RICH people.. we are talking about "elected" folk who mostly been career politicians and hardly ever did much in the private sector... folk in DC for 30 40 50 years... Those people not there because they care about the people.. it may have started off like that. But it for sure damn well not the case now.
Makaho 2.0
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Democrats badgered President Bush 1 to raise taxes on luxury items such as yachts and watches. All this did was cause the rich to tighten their belts. Makers of yachts and watches were decimated. Middle class people saw their businesses collapse. In 1993, Bill Clinton had the luxury tax repealed.
Oh yeah you said....."now look", yeah we got a guy now that tripled a deficit in less than two years which took the previous admin 8 years to encumber.
In 1982 Ronald Reagan's tax hikes did not help the economy. The economy remained mired in a slump inherited from Carter. The economy began to recover a year later. 1983 was when the massive tax cuts of Jack Kemp and William Roth, and embraced by President Reagan, lifted the American economy. "Supply side economics" unleashed the American economy.
Democrats badgered President Bush 1 to raise taxes on luxury items such as yachts and watches. All this did was cause the rich to tighten their belts. Makers of yachts and watches were decimated. Middle class people saw their businesses collapse. In 1993, Bill Clinton had the luxury tax repealed.
Oh yeah you said....."now look", yeah we got a guy now that tripled a deficit in less than two years which took the previous admin 8 years to encumber.
Makaho 2.0
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Did you even think about that statement dude. Yeah, it's a bunch of poor and middle class businesses starting all these companies that hire people. Dude, "the rich" are in fact the most likely to start or fund a new business or to expand a small enterprise. Households with incomes above $200,000 received 47 percent of the taxable interest income, 60 percent of the dividends, and a staggering 84 percent of the net capital gains reported on tax returns. These are the people hiring and investing my friend. Small businesses and start up companies account for the bulk of all new jobs, 80 percent by some estimates. Hence, letting taxes rise on higher earners is a bad idea for all.
I really don't see how some of you simply don't get is that we do not have a taxation problem, we have a freaking SPENDING problem. We simply SPEND MORE than we TAKE IN!!! If a business, or any of you operated your household like the fed does, you would be bankrupt or in jail. And now you guys are badgering the Reps. because they don't want to raise our current debt. I want to see somebody call up Visa when they are 6 months behind and ask for a raise on their credit limit....makes about as much damn sense.
Did you even think about that statement dude. Yeah, it's a bunch of poor and middle class businesses starting all these companies that hire people. Dude, "the rich" are in fact the most likely to start or fund a new business or to expand a small enterprise. Households with incomes above $200,000 received 47 percent of the taxable interest income, 60 percent of the dividends, and a staggering 84 percent of the net capital gains reported on tax returns. These are the people hiring and investing my friend. Small businesses and start up companies account for the bulk of all new jobs, 80 percent by some estimates. Hence, letting taxes rise on higher earners is a bad idea for all.
I really don't see how some of you simply don't get is that we do not have a taxation problem, we have a freaking SPENDING problem. We simply SPEND MORE than we TAKE IN!!! If a business, or any of you operated your household like the fed does, you would be bankrupt or in jail. And now you guys are badgering the Reps. because they don't want to raise our current debt. I want to see somebody call up Visa when they are 6 months behind and ask for a raise on their credit limit....makes about as much damn sense.
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
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:tup:
You would think this would be common sense..
J4L, how do you figure the RICH don't do the hiring?
Who do you think give the "OK" to hire? I hope you don't think your "general manager" :lol:
:tup:
You would think this would be common sense..
J4L, how do you figure the RICH don't do the hiring?
Who do you think give the "OK" to hire? I hope you don't think your "general manager" :lol:
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Dude they very seldom fund the businesses with their own money. They use OPM. You can't tell me these folks who are already rich are using their own cash to fund the companies that hire most workers. They DON'T DO THAT. It would not be smart and they definitely wouldn't end up on top. Even the largest companies out there use at minimum lines of credit to fund operations.
Now, the small business owners who usually aren't making $250K taxable PERSONAL income may be using some of their own money to start up. But then again, those are the businesses that get the bulk of the SBA loans.
Dude they very seldom fund the businesses with their own money. They use OPM. You can't tell me these folks who are already rich are using their own cash to fund the companies that hire most workers. They DON'T DO THAT. It would not be smart and they definitely wouldn't end up on top. Even the largest companies out there use at minimum lines of credit to fund operations.
Now, the small business owners who usually aren't making $250K taxable PERSONAL income may be using some of their own money to start up. But then again, those are the businesses that get the bulk of the SBA loans.