Donald Trump and the Birther Debate


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Dude that was a political move. GTF. You really think they care.

:lmao::lmao:

And the Democrats that had us enslaved did? I don't care why it was done, just that it was. I find it odd that you only pointed that out as opposed to the rest of what I said. But then again, based on your misinformed comments earlier, I can see why you didn't.
 
Agenda's have changed greatly in each party. The ignorance seems to have switched between parties. One learned to do better and one didn't. Plain & Simple but actually all parties have people that don't care, they just fake it. Many at the top are all for themselves and just say certain things for votes etc.
 
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And the Democrats that had us enslaved did? I don't care why it was done, just that it was. I find it odd that you only pointed that out as opposed to the rest of what I said. But then again, based on your misinformed comments earlier, I can see why you didn't.
Totally different agendas back then. You know that.
 
Look at the date of the campaign flyer I did. That event was Sept. 9th 2004, the DNC convention was in July. He was only a household name amongst those that tuned in to hear his speech, and the politically savvy. You as well as I know most Americans are not politically savvy and more interested in who was on american idol in lieu of either parties convention.

Are you serious? How does a campaign flyer created by YOU for some obscure local candidate help prove YOUR point about Obama not being a household name? I don't know what rock you were under in 2004, but after his DNC speech Obama blew up. His book, which had been out of print for a decade, became a best seller. He was on every talk show - people followed him around like a rock star. People immediately started talkng him up as a future President - even before he was elected Senator. For you to say he was obscure based on some flyer you created is insane.
 
Are you serious? How does a campaign flyer created by YOU for some obscure local candidate help prove YOUR point about Obama not being a household name? I don't know what rock you were under in 2004, but after his DNC speech Obama blew up. His book, which had been out of print for a decade, became a best seller. He was on every talk show - people followed him around like a rock star. People immediately started talkng him up as a future President - even before he was elected Senator. For you to say he was obscure based on some flyer you created is insane.

Dude, Don't get it twisted Obama was not a household name in 2004! He became household later when he ran against Hillary. As I stated before most Americans are more concerned with who is on american idol or some other bs than main stream politics until the time comes to presidential elections. Say what you want about some obscure candidate I helped out, but Obama was obscure at one time in his career and even lost to Bobby Rush in an election. I was using the flyer as a point of reference dude. How da fugg is that insane?
 
Yall trip me out arguing about whether he is right about asking where he was born or not. NOBODY on either side of the aisle wants to talk about anything that will cause the fall of this country. Since the country is so Christian why are we wasting trillions of dollars in the middle east when we will never change anything over there? They will talk about Obama this and that but nobody talks about all the no bid contracts in Iraq for Halliburton, Brown and Root that helped the Pres and his buddy Vice Cheney. Nobody wants to talk about these companies stealing people's retirement and the money just disappeared when folks thought they were going to cash out and the teabaggers want to do the the same thing with social security and medicare that everything pays into, once it is privitized and in the hands of the teabagger's buddies we will really see the fun begin. Nobody noticed how all of a sudden gas is headed toward $5 a gallon, wouldn't surprise me if it is $6 per gallon by the time election in 2012 comes, remember how low it was when Bush left officeand how high it is headed now for no reason, there are a lot of other things to look at other than where someone was born. People kept arguing about polititians when the country is being torn apart from the bottom up. My wife and I own a small business and I tell you our country in in real trouble looking at the pool of young talent we are developing in our country. As parents we need to find time to pay attention to our kids and what they are doing. My kids have no tv in their room and my kindergartener read 2 books last week and one of them was a 13 chapter book, starting in our own homes is the only way the country will get better, not from some bogus politicians. Whether you like or dislike President Obama, he wasn't the one that signed our country's soul away with the Chinese Sovereign fund and he can't fix all our problems.
 
Dude, Don't get it twisted Obama was not a household name in 2004! He became household later when he ran against Hillary. As I stated before most Americans are more concerned with who is on american idol or some other bs than main stream politics until the time comes to presidential elections. Say what you want about some obscure candidate I helped out, but Obama was obscure at one time in his career and even lost to Bobby Rush in an election. I was using the flyer as a point of reference dude. How da fugg is that insane?

Its insane because you tried to use it to prove Obama was obscure at the time it was printed. You used something from your imagination to try to prove your own point. Thing is, if he was so obscure, why was he on that flyer?

As for Obama being obscure at one point in his life, well isn't that the case with every politician lol? Bobby Rush, that loss happened in 2000. We're talking about post DNC 2004 and beyond. You're saying Obama was obscure until he faced Clinton - how did he have the credibility to even challenge Clinton if he wasn't already well known? Obama's been a household name(as much as a politician who isn't the President can be) since 2004. Dude was everywhere after that DNC speech. Time to let this one go man...
 
Dude, Don't get it twisted Obama was not a household name in 2004! He became household later when he ran against Hillary. As I stated before most Americans are more concerned with who is on american idol or some other bs than main stream politics until the time comes to presidential elections. Say what you want about some obscure candidate I helped out, but Obama was obscure at one time in his career and even lost to Bobby Rush in an election. I was using the flyer as a point of reference dude. How da fugg is that insane?

Yep, you were under some rock. :lol:
 
You are completely missing the point 99. He was a name in YOUR and the politically interested households. You are acting like he was never obscure at some point in his political career. Dude, everyone pretty much was till they got on the grand stage. Even Bush was. Mofos outside the state of Texas and followers of politics didn't even know who Bush was till they found out...."Oh yeah, his daddy was president before Clinton." The overwhelming majority of Americans didn't see him as a household name till "after" he ran against Hillary. You mean to tell me Billy Joe Gunrack and Rollo from da Hood were bumping their gums about Obama in 2004? When he went up against Hillary and got the nod from the DNC he was.
 
My thing is, and I don't care who says what about it, and take it how you want:

If the ticket was Biden-Obama, there would be:

No Sheet-Less Klan/Tea Party.......

No Birthers........

None of that crazy crap spewing from Fox News and other Conservative media outlets.......

None of this media attention-whoring by Trump and others.......

Nothing.....America could be on the same path it's on, but with the ticket edited, nothing much would be said....PERIOD.
 
Dude, I am simply pointing out the arguments the birthers are posing.

And for you Obamanites who claim that there is no difference between a Certification of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate, the birthers, as well as the State of Hawaii, would have to disagree with you.

Pay close attention to the following Hawaiian legal statute:

“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate
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(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”

Everybody get that?

As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued. The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, Kenya, or a back-alley in West Jackson.

How much more proof do you disciples of the Messiah need before you will admit that there are legitimate reasons to demand answers on this issue?

Again, he could shut all these birthers up just by showing a birth certificate, which he as not done. And as I have pointed out several times, which you and others seem to overlook, I have greater issue with his presidency than where he was born.

What I stated before is the fundamental purpose of the birthers argument. Perhaps Obama is waiting for a grander stage to shut them up? Who knows? Apparently he does.





I just wanted to know the difference between a Birth Certificate and a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.

And if the director can adopt rules deemed necessary to prevent a fraudulent application for a birth certificate, how did it come to pass that President Obama's parents received one?

How did it come to pass that President Obama's parents even received a birth certificate (whether it was a regular or CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH) in the first place if they did not provide proof of legal residency to the Hawaiian Director of Health? From what I understand, if his parents did not, the President technically should have no birth certificate at all.

I'm looking for clarification.......this is :confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
I just wanted to know the difference between a Birth Certificate and a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.

And if the director can adopt rules deemed necessary to prevent a fraudulent application for a birth certificate, how did it come to pass that President Obama's parents received one?

How did it come to pass that President Obama's parents even received a birth certificate (whether it was a regular or CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH) in the first place if they did not provide proof of legal residency to the Hawaiian Director of Health? From what I understand, if his parents did not, the President technically should have no birth certificate at all.

I'm looking for clarification.......this is :confused::confused::confused::confused:

96, apparently the law/rules are up to interpretation based on who's side of the argument you want to listen to. I have said this throughout the entire debate...the birthers are like Jason Vorhees, they just won't die. Trump has donned the "hockey mask" and is stalking the campers at crystal lake now. The whole plan being in my opinion is to force Obama's hands to show it. If he does....."Why did it take you so long to do it?" If he doesn't...."What you got to hide?".

It's not checkers, it's chess.
 
96, apparently the law/rules are up to interpretation based on who's side of the argument you want to listen to. I have said this throughout the entire debate...the birthers are like Jason Vorhees, they just won't die. Trump has donned the "hockey mask" and is stalking the campers at crystal lake now. The whole plan being in my opinion is to force Obama's hands to show it. If he does....."Why did it take you so long to do it?" If he doesn't...."What you got to hide?".

It's not checkers, it's chess.





I'll say this and then I'll respectfully digress........

I'll listen to the people who can declare President Obama's birth document is valid/legitimate. From what you posted from the Hawaiian Legal Statutes, no birth certificate (whether live birth or otherwise) can be issued without: 1) Proof provided by the parents to the Director of Health of legal Hawaiian residency and 2) without the Director of Health deeming that proof legitimate. In other words, no legitimate proof provided = no birth document; no Director of Health approval of proof provided = no birth document.

So, in a nutshell, basically, it appears that the questionable party is the Hawaiian Department of Health. What could they possibly stand to gain by issuing a false/fake birth document to the President's parents?


p.s.
I did NOT give you permission to use my image/likeness for your signature!:swink::lol: (I'm kidding........I look like that only in my dreams!)
 
I'm about to make a baby tonite, so I think next weekend I'll fly over to hawaii to see if I can get a hook up now.

Two pineapples and a watermelon ought to do the trick..

Sent from my Samsung Captivate.
 



I'll say this and then I'll respectfully digress........

I'll listen to the people who can declare President Obama's birth document is valid/legitimate. From what you posted from the Hawaiian Legal Statutes, no birth certificate (whether live birth or otherwise) can be issued without: 1) Proof provided by the parents to the Director of Health of legal Hawaiian residency and 2) without the Director of Health deeming that proof legitimate. In other words, no legitimate proof provided = no birth document; no Director of Health approval of proof provided = no birth document.

So, in a nutshell, basically, it appears that the questionable party is the Hawaiian Department of Health. What could they possibly stand to gain by issuing a false/fake birth document to the President's parents?


p.s.
I did NOT give you permission to use my image/likeness for your signature!:swink::lol: (I'm kidding........I look like that only in my dreams!)

Privacy! Your birth certificate is protected by the 1974 Privacy Act. Mak got it right above.
 
Democrats are the one's that actual care about black people.


Im trough going back and forth with you guy.. I can't believe you actually believe this crap...

Democratic policies are why the POOR REMAIN POOR!!!

You name me 1 success story of a POOR BLACK man based off a democratic poilicy!!!

section 8, food stamps, welfare check... projects...(generational housing for the poor)

MAN you are lost dude!
 
But yet they dismiss out of hand the 2 newspaper announcements of live birth. you can't fake them. so if you put the short form together with the newspapers announcements this issue becomes mute.

Man I wish I had a bunch of negroes making excuses for me like this... I would rule the damn world! lmao
 
You really think Obama playing into their hands will shut them up? Not at all...if anything it'll embolden them even more. Obama could produce a birth cert right now - it still wouldnt matter. They'd rant about how long it took and say its fake. If Obama and all those involved are smart enough to pull off this grand conspiracy, don't you think they'd be smart enough to produce a fake birth certificate? That would've been the first thing they did. Heck the birthers have already produced a fake Kenyan one. SO enough of all this "show me the birth certificate" BS. And please stop with the "im just playing Devil's Advocate" stuff. You're the one who came on here claiming as fact that Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya and that you didn't care where he was born. You either believe he was born here or you're one of the birthers.

As for Trump, he can be dismissed easily. RIght now he's entertainment - no one and I mean NO ONE is taking this guy seriously from a political standpoint. There's no way he makes a true run at the presidency like Perot did. He's about as serious as Charlie Sheen right now. All this talk of sending investigators to Hawaii to find out the truth? Let's see what comes of that. It shouldn't take too long.

Wow.. Can you list the things you like about this presidency.. since it seems like you are satisfied with the job being done now...
Like I said.. I wish I had a bunch of negroes to make excuses for all my mistakes and fuggups....lmao
 
You missed the point but you enjoy carrying the Tea party's water.

No I am just pointing out the fact that we both BLACKS and WHITE have a different out looks on life due to our past.

The whites felt the republican establishment was mis-representing them.. so they DID something..


Us black are being misrepresented and exploited by the democratic party but we sit back and take it...

I just don't get it.
 
Agenda's have changed greatly in each party. The ignorance seems to have switched between parties. One learned to do better and one didn't. Plain & Simple but actually all parties have people that don't care, they just fake it. Many at the top are all for themselves and just say certain things for votes etc.

Oh really? How do you explain the fact of the Democratic Party’s strategy of using handouts to garner the black votes, while working to keep blacks mired in poverty, which was described as “plantation politics” by President Barack Obama on page 147 of his book Dreams From My Father. As a result of the politics of poverty practiced by Democrats, including Obama, the firm belief is now deeply rooted in the black community that the government must “do something” for blacks.

Democrats have been running black communities for the past 40+ years and turned those communities into economic and social wastelands with their failed socialist policies. Yet, Democrats have the gall to blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions caused by the Democrats. Democrats also accuse Republicans of doing nothing to help poor blacks — a charge that resonates with victim mongers.

However, since the beginning of the so-called War on Poverty, over $ 9 trillion has been spent on poverty programs. According to the Washington Post, in one year alone under President George W. Bush,over $500 billion was spent on over 80 poverty-related programs, with little movement in the poverty needle. The problem with black poverty is not money — and it is not the Republican Party .

I'll give you Jackson, MS. as an example, if you look at MS's prison population they determined that two zip codes make up almost 50% of the total prison population. These two zip codes are Democrat voting bastions. Every elected official from the municipal, to the county, to the state level vote 98% Democrat. Every mayor the city of Jackson has a Democrat, our city has major problems with it's infrastructure and we are battling crime, poverty and education issues. Just look less than 5 miles away at the cites of Madison, Clinton, Flowood and Ridgeland. All run by Republicans....they have major economic growth, no where near the levels of crime and good schools.

Blacks in Jackson and other cities like Jackson have been voting Democrat their whole life and nothing has changed. In fact, things have gotten worse. More black men are in prison now than ever were in slavery, and most of you want to sit here and still carry water for the Democrats.
 
Oh really? How do you explain the fact of the Democratic Party’s strategy of using handouts to garner the black votes, while working to keep blacks mired in poverty, which was described as “plantation politicsâ€￾ by President Barack Obama on page 147 of his book Dreams From My Father. As a result of the politics of poverty practiced by Democrats, including Obama, the firm belief is now deeply rooted in the black community that the government must “do somethingâ€￾ for blacks.

Democrats have been running black communities for the past 40+ years and turned those communities into economic and social wastelands with their failed socialist policies. Yet, Democrats have the gall to blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions caused by the Democrats. Democrats also accuse Republicans of doing nothing to help poor blacks — a charge that resonates with victim mongers.

However, since the beginning of the so-called War on Poverty, over $ 9 trillion has been spent on poverty programs. According to the Washington Post, in one year alone under President George W. Bush,over $500 billion was spent on over 80 poverty-related programs, with little movement in the poverty needle. The problem with black poverty is not money — and it is not the Republican Party .

I'll give you Jackson, MS. as an example, if you look at MS's prison population they determined that two zip codes make up almost 50% of the total prison population. These two zip codes are Democrat voting bastions. Every elected official from the municipal, to the county, to the state level vote 98% Democrat. Every mayor the city of Jackson has a Democrat, our city has major problems with it's infrastructure and we are battling crime, poverty and education issues. Just look less than 5 miles away at the cites of Madison, Clinton, Flowood and Ridgeland. All run by Republicans....they have major economic growth, no where near the levels of crime and good schools.

Blacks in Jackson and other cities like Jackson have been voting Democrat their whole life and nothing has changed. In fact, things have gotten worse. More black men are in prison now than ever were in slavery, and most of you want to sit here and still carry water for the Democrats.


Who's blog did this come from? http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/who-do-blacks-vote-democrat/
 
Im trough going back and forth with you guy.. I can't believe you actually believe this crap...

Democratic policies are why the POOR REMAIN POOR!!!

You name me 1 success story of a POOR BLACK man based off a democratic poilicy!!!

section 8, food stamps, welfare check... projects...(generational housing for the poor)

MAN you are lost dude!

SUtrp, I don't know what your political affiliation is, but at the very least I can assume you to be an "independent". What is really sad is that a lot of die hard black Democrats hate Black Independents worse than Black Republicans. lol

With Republicans their argument is Uncle Tom this, Sellout that, Rich v.s Poor yadayada. But with Black Independents they really can't use those outdated arguments. Most of these guys are still plugged into the "Borg". They will damn near fight you if you have a divergent philosophy. The sad thing is, they only feel this way towards other Blacks that disagree with them. Like Obama said in his own book, it's "Plantation Politics".

You'd have a better chance of teaching a Chimpanzee Quantum Physics than getting these guys to see a different point of view.
 
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