Jackson State and Alabama State Marching Bands Publicly Reprimanded


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s phi s said:
But J, nobody is saying for them not to play at ALL. Just play within the RULES. I have watched SOOOO many bands miss SOOOO many opportunities to play it is ridiculous. Then when they play at a point they aren't supposed to, they pitch a fit and holler about "SWAC Band Rules"...Our problem is, we "have to finish the phrase" before we even think about changing volume, cutting off, or ANYTHING. That, and the fact that we are IMMUNE to playing a SHORT version of ANYTHING. I dunno what makes a band think they will be able to get PYT off in the middle of a drive.
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That's all we have been trying to tell y'all for the past day and a half...:lol:
 
s phi s said:
But J, nobody is saying for them not to play at ALL. Just play within the RULES. I have watched SOOOO many bands miss SOOOO many opportunities to play it is ridiculous. Then when they play at a point they aren't supposed to, they pitch a fit and holler about "SWAC Band Rules"...Our problem is, we "have to finish the phrase" before we even think about changing volume, cutting off, or ANYTHING. That, and the fact that we are IMMUNE to playing a SHORT version of ANYTHING. I dunno what makes a band think they will be able to get PYT off in the middle of a drive.
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You clarified the rules...

They saying.. don't play at all... A band playing soft where the QB can hear the play isn't breaking the rules..
The example I gave was SU playing "It Aint over" real soft until the ball snapped... or JSU playing "the show"...
It was all in the way we did it.... JSU never got in the way of the game with that... they would come down on their music when the QB was under center.. while the crowd was having a good arse time...

I agree with playing with in the rule... but what some of these folk on here are suggesting isn't what we used to do.... It's taking away from what we used to do. And when you take away from the HBCU experience.. you are taking fans away...
 



Dr. Phreeze said:
I'm not the one crying in every band topic on TSPN...
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neither am I... You have eyes ..used them.

And you ain't been saying ALL of what SphiS is saying.... You are saying ..don't play at all while the QB is under center....

Someone showed in the rule where it said...

6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any
noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).
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Now it you stop skimming and go back and read.... you would see where I said... We used to play "SOFT" until the ball was snapped..

And I never said the bands wanted to play ALL the time while the QB was under center.... It's times you want the crowd into it.... and the band would play a song where it lifts the spirit of the team...

Hence: "Spirit songs, It ain't over, the Show, Neck"


All these songs are for the FOOTBALL team.. they actually WANT to hear these songs being played...

It was done right at a time... I am no way saying bands should "BLAST" while their TEAM have the ball.... this was done before...and honestly I think that is what made the refs start making it more of an issue than what it really was...
 
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So basically, what is going on here is that we have a set of NCAA rules in regards to bands and the opportunity (or lack thereof) for players to hear the signals before the snap...then we have a set of amended SWAC rules in regards to bands not being able to play at all before the snap, or while the ball is in play.

Am I reading that right?

~goes back to re-read Da Rules~
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Okay...the solution to this is simple (or so I think).

According to NCAA rules, the players have to be able to hear the signals, right? So while the play clock is running (for 40 seconds I think), the bands gotta tone it way down...or turn it off.

So, as long as that clock isn't running, it should be free game for whatever...right?

That is perfectly reasonable. If a band can't adhere to THAT rule (Shut it up for ONE minute), then that band deserves to be reprimanded.


So, where did the SWAC come from with this amended rule that puts the proverbial muzzle on the bands during the entire game? Wait...before I can even ask that...

WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL SWAC RULE ANYWAY? Do we really know?
 
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Dr. Phreeze said:
Now that's comical...
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The threads are here son... ALL the threads on here don't interest me. But "you" sholl in this one hard ain't cha'?

We all can post these :lol: after our post.... believe it or not ..it's more funny to me watching some of ou who don't even have a clue go back n forth trying to everyone to agree with you..

s phi s said:
Hence the argument "We used to be able to bring it down". Very true. There was a lot of leeway given for bands to police themselves as long as they were not interfering with the game.
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But YOU been saying this for a day in a half huh?

son please...
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SUtrp96 said:
The threads are here son... ALL the threads on here don't interest me. But "you" sholl in this one hard ain't cha'?

We all can post these :lol: after our post.... believe it or not ..it's more funny to me watching some of ou who don't even have a clue go back n forth trying to everyone to agree with you..




But YOU been saying this for a day in a half huh?

son please...
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The difference is that I don't sit up in here and bitch and throw hissy fits and twist shit around about anything I don't agree with like you do with any other band head in here. All I said was one simple thing and you got your panties GOT DAMN bunch. If you are mature enough to hold a round table discussion about these rules, please enlighten us what you actually believe what should happen since you claim you are more knowledgable than anyone in here PLEASE. If not, no one wants to hear your childish complaints. Man up or move on.
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
The difference is that I don't sit up in here and bitch and throw hissy fits and twist shit around about anything I don't agree with like you do with any other band head in here. All I said was one simple thing and you got your panties GOT DAMN bunch. If you are mature enough to hold a round table discussion about these rules, please enlighten us what you actually believe what should happen since you claim you are more knowledgable than anyone in here PLEASE. If not, no one wants to hear your childish complaints. Man up or move on.
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Now who's sounding like a lil batch and crying?
It's obvious you getting your panties too much in a bunch that your slow arse ain't even reading son.

The RULE says "6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any
noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).


What I been saying all along lines up with that... A band playing soft does not prohibit a team from hearing the signal!

You said.. play in between! ruling out playing before.... If your "I wanna prove a point arse" would read what I am saying.. EVEN though what you are suggesting DON'T line up with the rule.. it is close to the rule and what I am saying.

Honestly from the way these so-called "experts" on here were interpretting the rule (without me reading it... and only going off of my experience from being in the band) .. Hell no I didn't agree with the bands not being able to play at all....

Now read this:

If bands are BLASTING on purpose to where the team can't hear.. then I see why the SWAC made some what of an amendment to the rule....

The rule can't be what you are saying if the SWAC had to "amend" it!


Even with all of that....

MY personal belief is "the crowd is louder than any band when ever either one wants to prohibit the opossing team from hearing".

~now what how you take the SENSABLE post and make a byth fit out of it~

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SUtrp96 said:
Now who's sounding like a lil batch and crying?
It's obvious you getting your panties too much in a bunch that your slow arse ain't even reading son.

The RULE says "6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any
noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).


What I been saying all along lines up with that... A band playing soft does not prohibit a team from hearing the signal!

You said.. play in between! ruling out playing before.... If your "I wanna prove a point arse" would read what I am saying.. EVEN though what you are suggesting DON'T line up with the rule.. it is close to the rule and what I am saying.

Honestly from the way these so-called "experts" on here were interpretting the rule (without me reading it... and only going off of my experience from being in the band) .. Hell no I didn't agree with the bands not being able to play at all....

Now read this:

If bands are BLASTING on purpose to where the team can't hear.. then I see why the SWAC made some what of an amendment to the rule....

The rule can't be what you are saying if the SWAC had to "amend" it!


Even with all of that....

MY personal belief is "the crowd is louder than any band when ever either one wants to prohibit the opossing team from hearing".

~now what how you take the SENSABLE post and make a byth fit out of it~

:lol:
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It's obvious that you are the slow one. It's evident. I'm not alone when it comes to that conclusion...:lol:
 
O'Bladerunner said:
Hol'up...I had to laugh at this...:lol:
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lol.. I could be wrong Ian.. but I believe Doc may have pulled that one off..

It was PYT or another song of the sort.... It was times after a touchdown we wouldn't get a song off until right before the kick-off.... So say it was "PYT"... introduction is loud as hell....but the song has lenght to it... It was times we either cut-off...or dropped down in volume...
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
It's obvious that you are the slow one. It's evident. I'm not alone when it comes to that conclusion...:lol:
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Yeah you are.. and you have to be slow.. if that's the only thing you read in that post...
Go back to sucking your dumb dude.. I'm finished with you... you clearly have a problem with admitting you are wrong... But carry on kid... don't say nothing you wouldn't say off of here....

:tup:

~now go ahead and post something back since you ain't on here crying...~
 
Simple solutions for what is really a simple problem. First and foremost, no matter what/how we "used to" do things in the SWAC...much like almost everything in society, now days, we have to adjust to the times. As much as I hate the small changes here and there...it is what it is.

With that....the game of football can stand on it's own. As much as I love HBCU bands and the competition/pagentry of it all...a good football game can and will break out whether a band is there or not.

Play during timeouts and stoppages....period. Unless, you're ready to play your between-play snippets when it's a gain of 20 or more, if the 25/40 play clock is rolling...don't play....period.
 
I can only speak from my direct experience.
When I was in the Boom, either Taylor or Adams always watched the game. I'm sure the same rules applied then. We'd have songs queued up already (meaning Ira had already called the next tune). As soon as there was a long-enough break, we played.

But we weren't so focused on blowing that we didn't watch whoever was in front of the band. They were quick to cut us off, and we were usually watching the game while playing anyway, so we anticipated we'd get cutoff at the end of the current (or next) phrase.

So it wasn't a factor.

But bands now-a-days clearly have a different mentality. They don't watch the game. It irritates me when I watch the Boom, with a Director and at least three DMs, and NOBODY's watching the dayum game....


But as usual, what's wrong with our bands is totally correctable. We just keep choosing NOT to correct it....

:tdown::tdown:
 
O'Bladerunner said:
Simple solutions for what is really a simple problem. First and foremost, no matter what/how we "used to" do things in the SWAC...much like almost everything in society, now days, we have to adjust to the times. As much as I hate the small changes here and there...it is what it is.

With that....the game of football can stand on it's own. As much as I love HBCU bands and the competition/pagentry of it all...a good football game can and will break out whether a band is there or not.

Play during timeouts and stoppages....period. Unless, you're ready to play your between-play snippets when it's a gain of 20 or more, if the 25/40 play clock is rolling...don't play....period.
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If the refs. want to make the change.. which "clearly" they are.. hence this thread being started...

By all means the bands should adhere... don't make sense to penalized your team....

You are right the game will be played... I just don't want to see no.."cry baby ass" post in no forum wondering why the fans are slowly dropping off.. :lol:

But you are right people must change when change comes.... But just like society as you said.. Change ain't always good.

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s phi s said:
...So I asked him about the rule. Once a team breaks the huddle, there is to be NO artificial noise either over the PA system, or through any type of air horn or noisemaker.
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I think that's what the issue with this rule is. Though it is technically in compliance with the NCAA rule, why does the band HAVE TO shut up (not even come down)? It should not matter what the band does, as long as the signals can be heard...right?

s phi s said:
You guys compare it to the NFL, yet I don't care HOW MANY games you watch, you will never hear anything other than crowd noise after a team breaks the huddle. Watch any of these big time college games this weekend. As the team approaches the line, you will hear nothing but FANS.
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I don't know what the NFL rules are. But in college, even though the fans are not subject to the rule, if the fans are loud (louder than most bands usually are)...to the point where the players can't hear the signals, how much more damage can a band do? Why levy such rules against the bands?

s phi s said:
This past weekend at the JSU game, there was one play in particular that stuck out to me. JSU was on offense (this was after the warning, I believe). JSU snapped the ball...
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Note...at this point, whatever the band decides to do is fair game, and should NOT warrant any type of warning or reprimand...


s phi s said:
...and Therriault dropped back and threw a pass. As the ball was in flight, the JSU tenor drums started playing out of nowhere. I watched a catchable ball hit the turf cuz the drums scared the shat out of EVERYBODY, the JSU receiver included. He already was thinking about the defender bearing down on him that was not in his field of vision. It's that type of disregard for the game that brought about this heavy-handed enforcement.
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Yeah...way to blame the band for his lack of focus...

Besides...this is SWAC football we are talking about for crying out loud!!!! How many catchable balls hit the turf when we watch our teams play?
 
SUtrp96 said:
Yeah you are.. and you have to be slow.. if that's the only thing you read in that post...
Go back to sucking your dumb dude.. I'm finished with you... you clearly have a problem with admitting you are wrong... But carry on kid... don't say nothing you wouldn't say off of here....

:tup:

~now go ahead and post something back since you ain't on here crying...~
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:bawling:

Does that make you feel better? :lol:
 
Taylor-Made'90 said:
I can only speak from my direct experience.
When I was in the Boom, either Taylor or Adams always watched the game. I'm sure the same rules applied then. We'd have songs queued up already (meaning Ira had already called the next tune). As soon as there was a long-enough break, we played.

But we weren't so focused on blowing that we didn't watch whoever was in front of the band. They were quick to cut us off, and we were usually watching the game while playing anyway, so we anticipated we'd get cutoff at the end of the current (or next) phrase.

So it wasn't a factor.

But bands now-a-days clearly have a different mentality. They don't watch the game. It irritates me when I watch the Boom, with a Director and at least three DMs, and NOBODY's watching the dayum game....


But as usual, what's wrong with our bands is totally correctable. We just keep choosing NOT to correct it....

:tdown::tdown:
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Since you were in the BOOM... Let me ask you... was it ever a problem with JSU playing the show the entire 3rd quarter? especially since you all used to watch the director and DMs as they were watching the game? Yall "played".. but didn't you all dropped yall volume for the plays to be called?

If yall didn't do this in 90'.. they sholl were doing it under Lidell...
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
:bawling:

Does that make you feel better? :lol:
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:lol:
You probably over there wetting yourself... you can dismiss yourself from this thread.. you have no experience to offer... you stated your opinion already.. unless you have "experiences" move on to the next thread...

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SUtrp96 said:
Now who's sounding like a lil batch and crying?
It's obvious you getting your panties too much in a bunch that your slow arse ain't even reading son.

The RULE says "6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any
noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).


What I been saying all along lines up with that... A band playing soft does not prohibit a team from hearing the signal!

You said.. play in between! ruling out playing before.... If your "I wanna prove a point arse" would read what I am saying.. EVEN though what you are suggesting DON'T line up with the rule.. it is close to the rule and what I am saying.

Honestly from the way these so-called "experts" on here were interpretting the rule (without me reading it... and only going off of my experience from being in the band) .. Hell no I didn't agree with the bands not being able to play at all....

Now read this:

If bands are BLASTING on purpose to where the team can't hear.. then I see why the SWAC made some what of an amendment to the rule....

The rule can't be what you are saying if the SWAC had to "amend" it!


Even with all of that....

MY personal belief is "the crowd is louder than any band when ever either one wants to prohibit the opossing team from hearing".

~now what how you take the SENSABLE post and make a byth fit out of it~

:lol:
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And that's why we dubbed it "The SWAC Rule".

It takes a special kind of Conference to say that the NCAA rules are just not good enough, and make amendments to the rules...

:shame:
 
SUtrp96 said:
:lol:
You probably over there wetting yourself... you can dismiss yourself from this thread.. you have no experience to offer... you stated your opinion already.. unless you have "experiences" move on to the next thread...

:lol:
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What does experience have to do with this? :lol:
 
PVSAX99 said:
I think that's what the issue with this rule is. Though it is technically in compliance with the NCAA rule, why does the band HAVE TO shut up (not even come down)? It should not matter what the band does, as long as the signals can be heard...right?



I don't know what the NFL rules are. But in college, even though the fans are not subject to the rule, if the fans are loud (louder than most bands usually are)...to the point where the players can't hear the signals, how much more damage can a band do? Why levy such rules against the bands?



Note...at this point, whatever the band decides to do is fair game, and should NOT warrant any type of warning or reprimand...




Yeah...way to blame the band for his lack of focus...

Besides...this is SWAC football we are talking about for crying out loud!!!! How many catchable balls hit the turf when we watch our teams play?
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:lol:

My question to all these "SWAC constitutionalist" :lol: is why are you all overlooking where we are saying the bands don't have to STFU but play at a soft volume where the plays can be "heard".. which is in compliance with the rule? (Rule 1-1-6). to be exact.

This isn't even a thread about what is more important "band" or "football"...lol It's about adhering to the rule!

Stick to the topic and we all can pretend that fans only come to the game for the football game and if the bands weren't there every last fan would still be in the stadium....

Note: I said pretend :lol:
 
PVSAX99 said:
And that's why we dubbed it "The SWAC Rule".

It takes a special kind of Conference to say that the NCAA rules are just not good enough, and make amendments to the rules...

:shame:
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Man make up your mind.. it's clear you want to stick around and cry your eyes out...smh

But first you said it was NCAA rule ... now you saying it is SWAC rule?!?! Do you even know what side of the fence you on? It's evident you are one of those mofos that GOTTA be right no matter what..even if you have on 2 left shoes....:shame:


And it's not a SWAC rule...yet anyway... only 2 bands have been repremanded... Maybe because the REFs felt these 2 bands were ABUSING the rule... did you ever stop to think about that? Or are you just in this.."Fug that Im right ... oh the people that was agreeing with me changed it up a lil... aww hell naw..im still right" mode?!?! :lol:
 
SUtrp96 said:
Man make up your mind.. it's clear you want to stick around and cry your eyes out...smh

But first you said it was NCAA rule ... now you saying it is SWAC rule?!?! Do you even know what side of the fence you on? It's evident you are one of those mofos that GOTTA be right no matter what..even if you have on 2 left shoes....:shame:


And it's not a SWAC rule...yet anyway... only 2 bands have been repremanded... Maybe because the REFs felt these 2 bands were ABUSING the rule... did you ever stop to think about that? Or are you just in this.."Fug that Im right ... oh the people that was agreeing with me changed it up a lil... aww hell naw..im still right" mode?!?! :lol:
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case and point :lol:
 
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