What can we do to loosen the private sector's grip on the govt?
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coldsweat
Drink & Be Merry!
It's prophecy son! You're correct, there is no way to stop it. It has to run its course and we inevitably, we will have to destroy ourselves from within! :nod:
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
I have another question, since the recent rulings by the Supreme Court have affirmed that we corporations can be treated as individuals when it comes to campaign contributions, can that logic apply to other arenas as well. Can corporations be charged with negligent homicide when they are responsible for preventable deaths.
coldsweat
Drink & Be Merry!
I seriously doubt it! :shame: There will definitely be some questionable loop hopes in Supreme Court rulings that will skirt this issue.
Voice of Reason
J-State86-90
Those who lead those corporations can be and should be held accountable if there action or in-actions lead to bodily harm or death. There is precendent for this course of action.
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
civil damages but not criminal charges.
bigmanofds
Well-Known Member
There are only a small percentage of individuals who controls this country’s resources. If “we†(also depending on which we you are referring to) can ban together, drop our individual concerns, and make sacrifices for the next man and future generations then change can happen. As long as Americans keep letting material possession be their masters, the ruling class will always have the advantage. After this last economic melt down, some so called experts use political spin that basically said in order for America to have a healthy economy their needs to be a large set of low wage people that is in debt up to their ears. These people need to always borrowing money at high double digit rates, be late with payments, not have a dime saved and always getting wage garnishments. Systems are design for these things to take place. It is designed so some billionaire can make money and not pay taxes, borrow at low interest rates, and keep his money so 3 or 4 generations of his family will never have to work again. Also keeps us at odd with each other with, politics, religion, racism, and other things that keeps us divided. It’s almost like a new form of slavery.
Voice of Reason
J-State86-90
Not true...look at Enron and Worldcom as proof to criminal prosecution...There has also been criminal prosecution in cases where corp execs and toxic waste were issues...
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
this is absolutely amazing. why do you people want a bunch of idiots in government that don't know their a55 from a hole in the ground other than staying in office and pushing their socio-political agendas, making policy REGULATING BUSINESS/PRIVATE SECTOR?! this is just incredible. this can't be serious. it's got to be a setup just to stir conversation.
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
So, I take that you are okay with what Toyota just did with their brake problems or what just happened at this coal mine in West Virginia. If you routinely ignored something that could be fatal around your house and someone died, you could be charged with negligent homicide.
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
Reasonable regulations with minimal government most logical people can agree on. So I take it that you are ok with the NEXT administration, which may be republican sooner or later(unless we are no longer a representative democracy), controlling business/companies/private sector. WHAT THEN?! I take it, if you own/run a business, YOU believe that somebody in Washington knows more about running your business than you do and knows what's best for you.
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
Reasonable Regulations is something we don't currently have. No, I don't want govt running the private sector but I don't want private sector running the govt, like we have now. Tell me, do you think it is okay for Private Companies to be able to have laws tweaked to benefit them, even though it hurts the general public. It is okay for companies to knowingly and willingly risk lives to increase their bottom line like Toyota just did or have the USDA scared to tell us the truth about Beef products that might be harmful.
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
How can you say reasonable regulations is something we don't have currently when you look at everything, every product around you that works just fine and is not a danger to all but a complete imbecile? Are you telling me that products are safer in India? China? Russia? Indonesia? Brazil? are you telling me that you can sew a company in china blind, AND WIN, for selling you something harmful like you can in the U.S. right now? The private sector is YOU and the people put the government in place for basic functions, not to micro-manage every aspect of life. If a private company is dumb enough to constantly make something that hurts the general public in this day and age of mass 24 hour youtube/twitter/TSPN etc media, they will be out of business unless they build a safe product. the USDA is a government agency. I thought you wanted the government to tell us what to do.
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
You are putting words in my mouth. We are not as bad as China but atleast they punish folks when they are caught risking public health. The lady who knowingly pushed out infant formula with problems that killed six children was executed. When bankers were caught with bribery, they were executed. Tell me, what will happen to the guy who ran the mine in WV with over 1000 violations? Will he be thrown in jail?
Back to the USDA, they are a govt agency that is supposed to serve the American People. Yet, they have been bending over (along with congress) to the Cattleman's association for past few decades. I suppose you think these megafarms are healthy?
You also stated that no company would continue to make possibly dangerous/tainted products in the American Public Spotlight for risk of Exposure. That sounds good until a group of companies get laws passed saying that you can't attack their products. You ever heard of Food Libel Laws? If not, I suggest you read up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_libel_laws
You see what they did to Oprah. What if I told you that there was credible evidence out there that factory farming was leading to significant rises in the rate of E Coli and Salmonella Poisoning in this country but told you that you better not say anything about it or I will force you to spend millions of dollars defending yourself in court? What would you do?
What if I told you that the same two food industries that are doing the most damage to American Health were getting subsidized by taxpayer money to the tune of $20 billion a year? Would you call me an imbecile?
What if I told you that Monsanto has placed lobbyist in top policy positions in the past three presidential administrations and has one former lobbyist on the Supreme court? Who is going to regulate Mosanto? Their former lobbyist?
JR
Well-Known Member
Pop, you know our government fugged over Toyota with that brake problem. It was a way to get the Big 3 back rolling after giving two of them bailout money. It was all a sham bruh. Toyota took one for the team. LOL.
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
Nothing.
As long as the private sector has to deal with getting government permits, approval--(environment, etc), money, gladhanding, and favors will always exist.
As long as politicians are competing to bring multi-million and billion dollar companies to their districts, thus spinning off sub-contractors, jobs, and giving tax breaks to those companies, they will always be in bed with the private sector.
The only way to stop it is to make it 100 percent illegal to give companies tax breaks, make it illegal for politicians to even be seen with employees or reps of those companies, and you would have to take the government out of issuing permits-(building, environment, etc.), totally. How you gonna do that ............ :noidea:
Funny part is, if you do all that, they would still have money and favors exchanging hands. :lol:
It will never stop.
As long as the private sector has to deal with getting government permits, approval--(environment, etc), money, gladhanding, and favors will always exist.
As long as politicians are competing to bring multi-million and billion dollar companies to their districts, thus spinning off sub-contractors, jobs, and giving tax breaks to those companies, they will always be in bed with the private sector.
The only way to stop it is to make it 100 percent illegal to give companies tax breaks, make it illegal for politicians to even be seen with employees or reps of those companies, and you would have to take the government out of issuing permits-(building, environment, etc.), totally. How you gonna do that ............ :noidea:
Funny part is, if you do all that, they would still have money and favors exchanging hands. :lol:
It will never stop.
I am sure that the law would apply to any one or individuals, but it is according to what you do, but most of the time they usually just fine the company and i see your point because it seems that they don't treat them as individuals but treat them as a special case.
I am thinking, the reason they may do this and there may be a legitimate reason for this, they may do this because during scientific research their may be anomalies may occur during these scientific break through's and they may not be noticeable until after put into action so they treat it more on a lesser charge because the intent was to cure a problem not create a problem.