Show me where in the Old Testament is there a clear-cut description and teaching of an immortal soul. That's all I ask. No excuses, just show me...
You have chosen to ignore the linguistics of what does not appear to be your native tongue. Consequently, you will remain lodged in your current position.
..The inner self simply means the emotions of a person, which has to do with the human spirit. No soul is needed for that. Where is the term immortal soul mentioned in the Bible?...
- In Matt 26:38, emotions are associated with psuche.
- In John 13:21, emotions are associated with pneuma.
- In Psalm 42:11, emotions are associated with nephesh.
- In 1 Kings 21:5, emotions are associated with ruwach.
As for the soul's immortality, the inference is in 1 Kings 17:21.
19 And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
20 And he cried unto the Lord, and said, O Lord my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the Lord, and said, O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul [nephesh] come into him again.
Elijah carries the kid's body and stretches out on top of it. He does not pray for the kid's body to come into his body again. His nephesh had left and Elijah asks for its return. You can handle the rest.
...The above verse clearly refers to something physical by virtue of the content of the verses before and after as well as the verse itself. You simply looked at that one verse and ran with it. It seems that you didn't bother to read the verses before and after, which would've cleared up the matter. Those verses are as follows:
"9And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.
10And Saul sought to smite David even to the wall with the javelin: but he slipped away out of Saul's presence, and he smote the javelin into the wall: and David fled, and escaped that night.
11Saul also sent messengers unto David's house, to watch him, and to slay him in the morning: and Michal David's wife told him, saying, If thou save not thy life to night, to morrow thou shalt be slain.
12So Michal let David down through a window: and he went, and fled, and escaped.
The above verses clearly show that this entire scenario was referring to David's physical life. It said and hinted at nothing of the kind about anything spiritual.
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Wrong. What your conclusion shows is that you have not studied Hebrew. If you had you would understand the distinction of the use of nephesh and chayaw in the same sentence.
...How can a sea destroy a soul? I thought you said that was reserved strictly for hell fire? Which is it? A sea of water and hell fire can both destroy souls?
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First, let me correct you. I never said how souls would be destroyed. YOU contended that they could not be destroyed by fire. I simply said that we don't know what the composition of that fire is and could not determine its limits.
Secondly, the picture given here is not that the sea destroyed the souls; rather it is the contents of the vial: the wrath of God.
...Again, you failed to read the preceding verses which are verses 25-30....
25"But I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother, fellow worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you sent to take care of my needs. 26For he longs for all of you and is distressed because you heard he was ill. 27Indeed he was ill, and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him only but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow. 28Therefore I am all the more eager to send him, so that when you see him again you may be glad and I may have less anxiety. 29Welcome him in the Lord with great joy, and honor men like him, 30 because he almost died for the work of Christ, risking his life to make up for the help you could not give me."
The above verses clearly refer to this man's physical life. It had nothing to do anything remotely spiritual as you implied.
Again, you didn't take into account the verses before and after. If you would've then you would've known that it's speaking of physical healing, physical flesh and physical life. Nothing about a soul or anything spiritual is mentioned.
Inner self doesn't mean that it's an immortal soul. Again, you're reading something immortal that's not there at all. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand that the doctrine of the immortal soul came from other religions and was incorporated into the New Testament by the Greeks and continued by the Catholic Church. Researchers of religions have shown this to be true.
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I guess you haven't taken any courses in Greek either. [Sigh]
...As I clearly showed you above, the terms meant for "psuche", clearly meant something physical.
The purpose of the human spirit is to impart mind, will, emotions apart from the body. Christians claim that this is what the holy spirit imparts from god, which is his mind, his will and character. If this is true, then why is it so farfetched not to see and understand that the human spirit imparts and stores similar characteristics separate from the body?...
As the Greek language points out, psuche has nothing to do with the physical. When your command of the language warrants recapitulaiton of its definitions, you will have much more credibility.
...I know the composition of hell. It's hot air. If it's fire, then it's composed of hot air and oxygen and something physical to keep it going. All of these other fairy-tale stories of what an everburning fire is, is pure fiction.
Again, I don't have any holy spirit, but I can read and comprehend simple terms and verses without such a need.
I agree with part of what you say: you don't have any holy spirit. Here are some reminders.
Rom 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit .
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
KJV
1 Cor 1:21-29
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
KJV
There is still time and I have great hope for you. As smart as you are and as much as you are willing to contribute, you are going to be very effective man once you're converted.
[Some part of them/us was dead while their bodies were still alive...but the part that was dead was made alive. What was that?]
