ROYAL BLUE
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Was the priest Samuel acting thuggish?
Paul and Revalation....
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Was the priest Samuel acting thuggish?
ROYAL BLUE
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Pastor Murray is dynamic because of the gift God gave him to teach, explain, and break scripture down without going off into the traditions of men. You know, the traditions of preachers reading 5 verses on Sunday, and blowing hot air for 45 minutes to an hour. The preacher, nor the church ever get around to "teaching/learning" God's word.
Who are the accurate teachers and can you please post their work? Also, do they take questions from people "immediately" after church service is over? Do they teach chapter by chapter and verse by verse whereby a child could understand?
JayRob
TigaPaw
If imitation is the greatest form of flattery, why don't you go out and imitate him and see what happens to people like you in our society. Like I said, religious folks would throw logic to the wind just to prevent from admitting that Samuel's example is a bunch of hogwash.
JayRob
TigaPaw
....and do they pull guns out on live television to kill people? Hahahahahahaha!!!
ROYAL BLUE
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Was the priest Samuel acting thuggish?
ROYAL BLUE
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What do you expect an old Christian Marine to do? Christian and Marines are not second class citizens, and both forces united make an awesome correction for idiots. I hope the video below will help you out.
69 year old Marine holds his ground
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YouWrukzc0
ROYAL BLUE
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Pastor Murray stood up like a Christian soldier and handled his business. Does that offend you? Do guns frighten you JayRob? Do you even own a gun? Would you like to go deer hunting with me?
JayRob
TigaPaw
Dude, just face it, you and your pastor are pure hypocrites. You can use age and marine to try and put lipstick on this pig all you want to, fact of the matter is it still hypocrisy at it's zenith and you know it.
JayRob
TigaPaw
There you go again trying to use these "feel-good" words like Christian and soldier to gain sympathy for your unstable pastor. Guns are not the point, it's the point that as a Christian, you say you depend on your god for protection, but you go out and threaten to shoot another. Where was your dependence on your god? There wasn't any dependence. This man instinctively grabbed a gun. Two seconds earlier, he was talking religion and love out of one side of his mouth, two seconds later, he was ready to kill his fellow man.
As for you RB, you're bout as hypocritical and double-minded as they come.....seriously. I wonder if Jesus Christ would've instinctively pulled a gun out of his briefcase and threatened to kill a man.
dacontinent
Preacher
These might help:
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body [Greek: psuche] , but are not able to kill the soul [Greek: soma]: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
1 Thess 5:23
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit [Greek: pneuma] and soul [Greek: soma] and body [Greek: psuche] be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Dacon, the doctrine of an immortal soul is not biblical at all. The soul is not spiritual at all. It's purely physical. Here's the evidence.....
English: Soul; Hebrew: Nephesh; Greek: Psuche; Latin: Anima-
-Young's Concordance defines both nephesh and psuche as "animal soul."
-Strong's Concordance defines nephesh as, "A breathing creature, an animal; or, abstractly, vitality."
Psuche likewise defines as "The animal, sentient principle."
It is clear from the words used to translate it that it is related throughout to ANIMAL BODIES, including man.
Soul has nothing to do with anything spiritual. For example:
Psa. 22:20: "Deliver my soul (nephesh) from the sword..."
Jer. 38:17: "If thou wilt assuredly go forth unto the King of Babylon's princes, then thy soul (nephesh) shall live..."
1 Sam. 19:11: "If thou save not thy life (nepheshsoul) tonight, tomorrow thou shalt be slain."
I Kings 19:10: "...they seek my life (nephesh) to take it."
Esther 7:7: "Haman stood up to make request for his life (nephesh)..."
Psa. 22:29: "...none can keep alive his own soul (nephesh)."
Num. 6:6: "... he shall come at no dead body (nephesh).
Lev. 21:11: "Neither shall he go in to any dead body (nephesh)..."
Rev. 16:3: .,every living soul (psuche) died in the sea."
Phil. 2:30: "...for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, NOT REGARDING his life (psuche)..."
(Mark 3:4):"...is it lawful ... on the Sabbath ...to save life (psuche), or to kill? ... "
The word "soul" was turned into something spiritual by Greek philosophers.
In addition, hell fire is physical, so how can something physical destroy something spiritual? It's not possible. According to the bible, a soul can be destroyed in hell fire, therefore the soul HAS to be physical.
--The words nephesh and psuche, translated "soul," occur 850 times in the Bible and in not one case is there any suggestion of immortality;
--The translators have used over 40 words in translation and a glance at this list shows how far different the Bible soul is from the orthodox one.
--The word is first used of ANIMALS.
--One-third of all its occurrences speak of it in terms indicating its mortality and subjection to death.
--It is often spoken of as being killed by man, and it is several times spoken of as actually being dead, and being handled and touched in a dead state.
More biblical and religious contradiction is what it boils down to.
dacontinent
Preacher
^^^^^^
Read Matthew 10:28 again and AGREE WITH ME that the soul can be killed.
Now, AGREE WITH ME that the the soul is not the body is not the spirit.
Read Matthew 10:28 again and AGREE WITH ME that the soul can be killed.
Now, AGREE WITH ME that the the soul is not the body is not the spirit.
Dr H..
Active Member
I invited you to church, did I not. And we have had this conversation before. Placing works [sermons] on TV does not prove that person is a man of God or their ability to deliver the word. I have listen to Murray over and over again, trying to figure out what type of hold he has on you. Well, I figure out the reason, you love this man because he has become your father figure.
That is not as stupid as it comes. When I was more actively preaching, I had a sister threaten, I sure did not start kicking her but to prove a point. It's said whenever someone catch Murray in a crossfire, you will defend him.Are you that dedicated to the Lord.
Sounds like the White Hore (Revelation Chapter 6) has been at the dinner table with you.
You said he is a Christian, but he preach against the Trinity. All the other false doctrine he teaches "and you know it's true" you fall for it "hook-line and sinker"
And you said that you have a college degree!
JayRob
TigaPaw
Dacon, as those verses I listed point out, no hell fire is required or needed in order for the soul to be destroyed. If you believe this, then you may as well throw away the entire Old Testament because as a I showed you a few days ago, there is no hell fire mentioned in the Old Testament.
Some folks take one verse out of hundreds and run with it without considering the other hundreds of verses that contradict that one verse.
Even I understand that much about the soul and I don't even claim to have the "holy spirit" as a guide to teach me.
ROYAL BLUE
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If guns are not the point, why did you bring it up? Yes, we depend on God for protection, and He gives us protection in different forms. He gave it to Abraham, Joshua, king David, Peter, and others. All of them carried weapons and handled their business. If that offends you then tough........
ROYAL BLUE
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.....and I went to your church, and didn't learn nothing about the word of God, however I did learn about the word of man.
Again, post the work of those who you say, accurately "teach" the word of God chapter by chapter and verse by verse.
Like I stated before, had it been me, then you would have heard gun shots. Pastor Murray has plenty of patience with fools......not me.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Guns weren't the point, following after your Christ's example was THE point.
Once again, another half truth by RB. The Old Testament god ordered death and killings, so it's no surprise that Abraham, Joshua and David killed people.
On the other hand, NEVER in the New Testament (after their converstion), did Peter or Paul threaten another person with a weapon. Show me if I'm wrong about that.
Your pastor chose to follow his OWN instincts rather than follow after what he's been teaching others about turning the other cheek and calming a matter down with the spiritual gifts he supposedly has by way of the holy spirit.
The FIRST thing that came to your pastor's mind was not to pray and calm the situation, the very first thing he did was to look for his gun. The video doesn't lie. Go look at it again if you must.
My question is, "was that the holy spirit leading him to pull out a gun and shoot his fellow man or was it Satan's spirit?"
See folks, this is why people like RB need to be thoroughly watched and called out. They speak half-truths thinking that they won't get caught. Well RB, you just got caught.......again.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Hmm, Galatians 5 lists the fruits of the spirit. They are: love, joy, peace, PATIENCE, gentleness, goodness, kindness, mercy, etc.
Your own words prove the fact that you seem to have none of these vital fruits supposedly granted by the holy spirit YOU claim to have. You just condemned yourself, not me.
And quit lying on your pastor because he showed little patience too, proving that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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dacontinent
Preacher
- Sir, none of us know what is required for the soul to be destroyed (Matt 10). Frankly, I don't ever want to know. We do know that it can be destroyed and we know that its distruction is distinguished from the destruction of the body.
- In an earlier post you said this:
You walked right past the definition that you provided us with: creature, which is different from body. I am a new creature [ktisis] living in my original body. The creation that I am is distinguished from the body in which it resides. None of references you listed indicate body and soul being synonymous. Yet, I gave you a referece (1 Thess 5) that clearly distinguishes the 3 elements.JayRob said:
So, show me that they are the same or agree with me that they are different.
JayRob
TigaPaw
ROYAL BLUE
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Paul committed murder. Did he not? Peter sliced off a man's ear. Did he not?
Pastor Murray was attacked by an unknown stranger. When did it become a crime to warn a man before you put some lead in his #$@?
ROYAL BLUE
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Where in the bible does it state to practice patience with a fool? It doesn't, however it does say to put a fool away from you in the NT. It does say mark the idiots and avoid them.
dacontinent
Preacher
Bruh, Matt 10:28 says that either you are wrong or Jesus is wrong. You say that the death of the body will result in the death of the soul. Jesus say that in that verse that the body and the soul can encounter separate deaths. Which of you should we believe?
Thankfully, you are wrong. If you were right, then conversion never occurred. I have the same body, but I am most certainly not the same person. The person is what was converted.
The word human [humus => dirt / man => spirit] literally means "spirit in dirt", rendering "human spirit" to actually be redundant. So, all of us are made of spirit and we live in bodies, by definition.
Sir, it is no struggle. Some things are just definitive. Let's look again, shall we?
- Matt 10:28 - the body can be killed and the soul left alive
- 1 Thess 5 - budy, soul, and spirit define man as tripartite, each of the 3 with its own existence.
- Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. [What died when the eating occurred? It was not the body.]
- Gen 25:17 And these [are] the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people. [Where was that?]
- Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
- Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. [Where did it go?]
- Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [Were these dead bodies that heard His Word?]
- Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [How do bodies believe after they are dead?]
- Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? [Something never dies. What could that be? It is not the body?]
- Rom 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? [Some part of them was dead while their bodies were still alive. What was that?]
- Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; [Some part of them/us was dead while their bodies were still alive. What was that?]
- Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
[Some part of them/us was dead while their bodies were still alive...but the part that was dead was made alive. What was that?] - Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. [Jesus' soul went into hell but His body was still in the grave. Hmm.]
- et cetera
Sir, Matt 10:28 denotes the fire of Hell will be able to destroy both the body and the soul. Does that mean that the fire will ONLY be physical? I don't know but it seems that the answer should be NO. Once again, I have no intentions of finding out.
Dr H..
Active Member
RB
How many time have you visited (once)? The Sunday you attended was a special function with a minister from a different congregation.
You asked specific questions and I answerd your questions. It appears that you are afraid of something (the truth).
To use the apostles as an example (justification) of individuals is a poor example, that was a different time, place and circumstance. Back then they had to carry weapons because of theire mode of transportation. We no longer walk miles or days to visit others or ride donkeys.
How many time have you visited (once)? The Sunday you attended was a special function with a minister from a different congregation.
You asked specific questions and I answerd your questions. It appears that you are afraid of something (the truth).
To use the apostles as an example (justification) of individuals is a poor example, that was a different time, place and circumstance. Back then they had to carry weapons because of theire mode of transportation. We no longer walk miles or days to visit others or ride donkeys.
JayRob
TigaPaw
You don't even know your bible. Paul's name was Saul when he committed the crimes. After his conversion, while on the road to Damascus, you never heard of him physically harming anyone, in spite of others trying to harm him.
As for Peter, he wasn't converted and the holy spirit had not yet been given. After Pentecost, you never heard of Peter physically attacking anyone.
You need to brush up on your bible study. Nothing but pure hypocrisy spewing from you....pure hypocrisy.
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