Can we save America?


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In my public policy classes this semester we have been discussing different industries and the politics that surround them. As a class, we have pretty much concluded that the American political-economic system is so deeply entrenched that there is no saving it. No one can possibly penetrate the system without compromising part of themselves. Personally, I think we are close to living in a corporate fascist society. Does anyone see anyway that American can be saved, except by the Grace of God, but do we even deserve that.
 



No. This country is a capitalistic society. Money controls it. The haves will always want it all, and the have nots will always want their piece of the pie. The thing is when the have nots get a piece of the pie, they also turn their backs on the same folks they were once a part of. Greed is a mofo.
 
Been trying to tell yall... BLAME "BOTH" parties and blame the Federal Reserve....

Agina don't blame Obama and don't blame the rest of them... and don't blame the rest of them and don't blame Obama.... They all know what they are doing... ain't no mistakes being made...
The ONLY mistake being made is the American people trusting them....

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I been looking at the number of lobbyist over the years and it is just sad. We got the fox guarding the henhouses for real. It should be illegal for Presidents to appoint lobbyist to regulatory agencies.

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The system has become vicious that sane minded people stay away from it. That leaves room for folks to get in by playing to to human emotions. We elected these people to protect us and guide us but we been betrayed. I said in small talk that I had started doing research for my book. I originally wanted to name it "The New American Dream" but I am sort of leaning towards calling it "Rage Against the Machine: The Death of the American Dream"
 
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The fact we have Lobbyist is a shame.....

No business should be on the HILL influencing political decisions that will effect ALL of the people...
 
Looking back at the history of civilizations - the U S is in the same boat as the past powerful civilizations.

History repeating itself.
 
jsupop33 said:
In my public policy classes this semester we have been discussing different industries and the politics that surround them. As a class, we have pretty much concluded that the American political-economic system is so deeply entrenched that there is no saving it. No one can possibly penetrate the system without compromising part of themselves. Personally, I think we are close to living in a corporate fascist society. Does anyone see anyway that American can be saved, except by the Grace of God, but do we even deserve that.
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Has there ever been a so called “American Dream?†I don’t think so, especially for all. This country was founded on the concept of haves and have-nots. I believe there were a few of rich S.O.Bs who did not want to pay taxes and gained off the back of the less fortunate. My, how things have changed! I like to think the American dream is really more about “luck.†Millions of Americans are fooled into thinking that they can gain in this country when really all their hard work do for them is give modest gains or hold them in place. We have a few success story about the dishwasher rising up to CEO but that’s usually somebody who was at the right place at the right time--luck. We have been told our economic system leads to more efficiency, lower prices, better products and rising prosperity. But in my opinion resources concentrated into the hands of relatively few well-off people, leaving the many with nothing and at the mercy of the rich for work, charity, etc. Most of the people in America have dealt with gross inequality, exploitation and misery. Nor is this country economically efficient as we have seen the many economic downturns in this country’s less than 300 years in existence. Also, the rich have so much already they have no incentive to use their resources productively or for the betterment of others. That concept is demonized in the media. As for lower prices, you can get anything cheaper outside the country. This is why there is such a big trade imbalance. We have more coming in than going out and that says a lot for Americans having the better products. Finally, we hear so much political spin from the so called left and right. The only thing I see is when the rich or a chosen few are rising it’s called Capitalism, but when the poor or most of us is rising it’s called Socialism.

Can America be saved? Read the statement below.
 
Also, we have become far too complacent in just SAYING that we are the greatest country on earth. We don't really make a conscious effort to be the best, and just psych ourselves up to believe that we are the best JUST BECAUSE.

Truth of the matter is, we ain't as good as we say we are.

Talk is cheap. And it's time we backup our words.
 
PVSAX99 said:
Also, we have become far too complacent in just SAYING that we are the greatest country on earth. We don't really make a conscious effort to be the best, and just psych ourselves up to believe that we are the best JUST BECAUSE.

Truth of the matter is, we ain't as good as we say we are.

Talk is cheap. And it's time we backup our words.
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China is slowly becoming the next big thing and they are gladly loaning money to us so they can bankrupt our asses.
 
PsychoJag said:
China is slowly becoming the next big thing and they are gladly loaning money to us so they can bankrupt our asses.
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There is a delicate balance between the US and China. If they wanted to, the Chinese could easily say "give us our money now" and probably put an even bigger dent in our deficit. But if they do that, then China probably wouldn't be able sell their products to the US or do business with us like they used to, which COULD cost them dearly in the long run. So China can continue to lend us money, but I doubt they will be quick to bankrupt us. Seems like we need them as much as they need us.

Here's another thing that bothers me. We only talk about the countries we owe. DOESN'T ANYBODY OWE US? Is our IOU THAT much larger than what other countries owe us collectively?
 
jsupop33 said:
In my public policy classes this semester we have been discussing different industries and the politics that surround them. As a class, we have pretty much concluded that the American political-economic system is so deeply entrenched that there is no saving it. No one can possibly penetrate the system without compromising part of themselves. Personally, I think we are close to living in a corporate fascist society. Does anyone see anyway that American can be saved, except by the Grace of God, but do we even deserve that.
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I don't know exactly what points where covered in you classes but it seems the problem came from, to me thinking now, overestimating what could be a proper "money maker" and the fact that too much money went into somebody's hand (meaning they pocketed a lot of money) and left this country dry; just the other day I was how a couple of businesses where laying off people, STILL, which is further placing this country in a critical position. Also Obama was tying to add 95,000 new jobs a months which was stated that (in another article) they are have problems getting that started; who knows what to expect next :noidea:! But one way I think the country will pull out is that they continue to downsize and then allow for their demands to rize allowing more jobs to open and also stop allowing these inflations to occur; you would think that they would allow for minimum increase so that the people can afford their goods so that they can contiunue to profit during the economic times, IMO.
 
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PVSAX99 said:
There is a delicate balance between the US and China. If they wanted to, the Chinese could easily say "give us our money now" and probably put an even bigger dent in our deficit. But if they do that, then China probably wouldn't be able sell their products to the US or do business with us like they used to, which COULD cost them dearly in the long run. So China can continue to lend us money, but I doubt they will be quick to bankrupt us. Seems like we need them as much as they need us.

Here's another thing that bothers me. We only talk about the countries we owe. DOESN'T ANYBODY OWE US? Is our IOU THAT much larger than what other countries owe us collectively?
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Also we are still first in making bullets. I would understand if you want to debate the notion that the U.S. would get gangsta to settle a debt. However, I do believe the U.S. would be in China missile flying all over the place before they would let the country go bankrupt. This is my theory, if we say history can repeat itself than with another economic downturn, the U.S. is going to invade somebody. War is as old as prostitution as a way of making money. Companies like Xe Services LLC can really get over if we are at war. Yes, it would be interesting to see a list of countries that owe us money.
 
Free Trade is reason why America happen to be in mess it is today.. However, we could easily change the situation by demanding fair trade and enforce Buy American clause in the bill that was passed by congress last year.

America is currently at crossroads.. If our country want to be great again, then we must fix our crumbling education system, infrastructure, healthcare system, energy policy and regulate our financial system. Our ecomony could definitely benefit if gov't focus on roads, bridges, ports, transportation system, rails, sewers, levees and sidewalks..
 
"Buy America" is a joke, this country produces very few products, most of the products we use are imported - to include the autos, just look at Ford and GMC most of the parts are made overseas.

Look at the infrastructure, most of the majot building are owned by Japan and Korea.

This country is lucky if they own the shirt on their back.

We have the best equipped military, but would loose to China and N Korea.
 



BlackCaesar2k5 said:
Free Trade is reason why America happen to be in mess it is today.. However, we could easily change the situation by demanding fair trade and enforce Buy American clause in the bill that was passed by congress last year.

America is currently at crossroads.. If our country want to be great again, then we must fix our crumbling education system, infrastructure, healthcare system, energy policy and regulate our financial system. Our ecomony could definitely benefit if gov't focus on roads, bridges, ports, transportation system, rails, sewers, levees and sidewalks..
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That makes sense, I think there needs to be limits set on imports. Other countries do it. But that thought process gets so slammed in the media as being Socialism. I get so tickled at my co-worker with their de-regulation and privatization rhetoric and almost everybody in the department is second or third generation government employees. :)
 
Dr H.. said:
"Buy America" is a joke, this country produces very few products, most of the products we use are imported - to include the autos, just look at Ford and GMC most of the parts are made overseas.

Look at the infrastructure, most of the majot building are owned by Japan and Korea.

This country is lucky if they own the shirt on their back.

We have the best equipped military, but would loose to China and N Korea.
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I don’t think we could loose a conventional war to anybody . If you remember in WWII, the Germans and Japanese had an advantage in technology, strategy , and tactics. Some say the Germans were the first to bring concentrated mechanized infantry to the battle field which they called "Blitzkrieg." The Japanese made the battleship obsolete with their use of the aircraft carrier. But the one advantage the Americans had was that they could produce military hardware faster than anybody else. For every one plane, ship, or tank the other side could produce the U.S. could produce more. The U.S. could get hardware to the battle field quicker. I still think they have that advantage to this day along with better technology, strategy, and tactics. Our Stealth technology is king of the battle field. Also Wars from Korea to Afghanistan the U.S was and is coming to the fight with battle tested veterans. That’s the greatest advantage of all. With N. Korea and China their military has not seen real action since the Korean War. Now as for an unconventional war…. I don’t know. It depends on what is called winning.
 
Dr H.. said:
"Buy America" is a joke, this country produces very few products, most of the products we use are imported - to include the autos, just look at Ford and GMC most of the parts are made overseas.

Look at the infrastructure, most of the majot building are owned by Japan and Korea.

This country is lucky if they own the shirt on their back.

We have the best equipped military, but would loose to China and N Korea.
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As long as this nation continue to acknowledge God, it will always have a chance at overcoming obstacles. Now, if this nation turns away from God completely, then yes we will continue to fall until we hit rock bottom. We've prospered because we established this nation as "one nation under God". Now, we're publicly running from that establishment because we offend the minority who don't believe in God. Behind the speaker of the house is an engraved image "In God We Trust". My point is America is falling because she has slowly turned away from God, and the law of our land which is the constitution. For example, the bible states a nation of God was forbidden to borrow from foreign nations. Our constitution forbids America to borrow from foreign nations. We have disobeyed the bible and the constitution.:shame:

House Committee Approves Engraving 'In God We Trust' in Capitol Visitor Center

Thursday, June 11, 2009

(CNSNews.com) -- The House Administration Committee has unanimously approved a resolution directing the Architect of the Capitol to engrave the National Motto -- “In God We Trust” – and the Pledge of Allegiance inside the new Capitol Visitor Center (CVC).

“While the Capitol Visitor Center did a good job in incorporating many elements, I believe there are two important (items) that were absent -- the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Motto ‘In God We Trust,’” Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.) said Wednesday. http://www.cnsnews.com/Public/Content/article.aspx?RsrcID=49444

You must not be familiar with our military's nuclear capabilities. With the push of a button, our Subs have the ability to launch and destroy China and Korea within 5 minutes. America has the capability of destroying more with less. Click on the link below to view the Abraham-Lincoln-battlegroup for the Navy. Do you know how much damage this one battle group of 11 can do to the entire world? The US Navy controls the seas around the world. The Navy that controls the seas control the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abraham-Lincoln-battlegroup.jpg
 
PVSAX99 said:
There is a delicate balance between the US and China. If they wanted to, the Chinese could easily say "give us our money now" and probably put an even bigger dent in our deficit. But if they do that, then China probably wouldn't be able sell their products to the US or do business with us like they used to, which COULD cost them dearly in the long run. So China can continue to lend us money, but I doubt they will be quick to bankrupt us. Seems like we need them as much as they need us.

Here's another thing that bothers me. We only talk about the countries we owe. DOESN'T ANYBODY OWE US? Is our IOU THAT much larger than what other countries owe us collectively?
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No smack but you are coming off kinda lost..
You really think America is going to ask for their money back from counries they have helped?


You are thinking too much like right....

We been trained with all these "political" consists to where we don't understand how those we put in charge are steadily fuking us...

If this was any body else on the street doing what our government is doing to us we would be ready to kill them...
 
SUtrp96 said:
If this was any body else on the street doing what our government is doing to us we would be ready to kill them...
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.....and that's what many of our citizens fail to realize. Our government is constantly disobeying the constitution(law), and the majority of Americans have yet to open their eyes to the "illegal" demands our government has placed on the American people.We must get rid of the constitutional law breakers if we wish to remain the greatest on earth.
 
RB

For example, the bible states a nation of God was forbidden to borrow from foreign nations. Our constitution forbids America to borrow from foreign nations. We have disobeyed the bible and the constitution
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You will never learn, the U S is not a nation of God. Here we go again "In God we trust" and you really beleive this? As I said befeore, because the word God is used, you are the opinion the nation / individual is ruled by God.

The bible is talking about Israel not the United States.

Read the Constitution it does not forbid the borrowing of money.
 
I think people should really sit down and read the Declaration of Independence. Also, read some of the early writings of Thomas Jefferson and look at the federalist papers.

People will really understand how far we have went away from our forefather's visions.
 
Dr H.. said:
RB

You will never learn, the U S is not a nation of God.

Read the Constitution it does not forbid the borrowing of money.
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If this nation is not a Christian nation, then why did The House Administration Committee do the following......House Committee Approves Engraving 'In God We Trust' in Capitol Visitor Center

Thursday, June 11, 2009

(CNSNews.com) -- The House Administration Committee has unanimously approved a resolution directing the Architect of the Capitol to engrave the National Motto -- “In God We Trustâ€￾ – and the Pledge of Allegiance inside the new Capitol Visitor Center (CVC).

“While the Capitol Visitor Center did a good job in incorporating many elements, I believe there are two important (items) that were absent -- the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Motto ‘In God We Trust,’â€￾ Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.) said Wednesday. http://www.cnsnews.com/Public/Content/article.aspx?RsrcID=49444


Yes, the constitution forbids America to borrow from foreign nations. It also forbids America to allow the IRS to collect taxes for America. The IRS is controlled by "International Bankers".......not congress.

Article I

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
.We must get rid of the constitutional law breakers if we wish to remain the greatest on earth.
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We can't get rid of the bums that have ruined our education system, so good luck in trying to get rid of the law breakers of the Constitution.

We been trained with all these "political" consists to where we don't understand how those we put in charge are steadily fuking us...
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True.
 
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