Oklahoma republican past law, OK's govt. to post private med. records

[Tony]

You know how many potential children are killed off whenever a guy...uhh...handles his business? Think about it.

HA!

 

[PVSAX99]

I didn't check out the link but as long as they do not publish any info in which we can figure out who that woman is.

It's all good, the article only mentioned those first 8 questions anyway. But who's to say what other questions have to be answered?

And I agree with you...as long as no identifying info is released to the public, then there should be no problem with this. But it's not my call. It would be good for research.

 

[bluedog]

~Walks in and looks around. He notices that the issue is about abortion and tries to leave before it turns into an debate on women's rights and privacy policies. He believes that this is definitely a woman's issue and proceeds to leave...but then he turns around and says~


If they are gonna make such a fuss about a woman and her decision to have an abortion, like they are doing in Oklahoma, they may as well do the EXACT SAME THING for guys who masterbate...lol. You know how many potential children are killed off whenever a guy...uhh...handles his business? Think about it.

Sounds silly...doesn't it? Let the same law apply for men, and let's see how quickly they try to get rid of it.

These double standards need to stop.

Disclaimer...this has nothing to do with me being pro-choice or pro-life. IMO, whether a woman is completely against abortion or not, it's still HER CHOICE to make. It's not our place to take her freedom of choice away.

~then he leaves...~

Sorry but this isn't a women rights as much as it is a privacy issue.

 

[PVSAX99]

Sorry but this isn't a women rights as much as it is a privacy issue.

Perhaps...but this wouldn't even be an issue of privacy, IMO, if people didn't feel as if women's right to choose wasn't being violated. But this shouldn't be a debate about women's rights, or their right to privacy. This shouldn't even be a debate at all.

 

[PVSAX99]

Murder is mentioned in several places throughout the bible. Just because Satan calls murder by another name doesn't rid the fact that abortion is actually murder. The dictionary says that murder is pre-mediated, and the last time I checked, abortions(murders) are pre-meditated, and morally unlawful. Are they not? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder



The bible tells us that God places the soul inside of a woman at conception. In other words, as soon as the sperm plants itself inside of the egg.....God puts the soul inside of the woman. Luke 1:34-44

My "pro-choice" rebuttal....just for debatting's sake...

Maybe I misread your post. But I am failing to see where you answered my first question. They talk about murder in the Bible...they even allude to miscarriages. Yet, they don't mention abortions. Why not?

Furthermore, the Bible connects life with breath. As a fetus does not breathe, therefore it is not truly alive, and so it is meaningless to talk of killing it. Almost like how Adam wasn't a living breathing creature until God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. Could Adam have been killed before that moment? Nope! So why can't the same be applied to a fetus?

I believe that God gives life, when he causes the newborn baby to begin breathing (as the "breath of life" has been mentioned all throughout the Bible). To claim that life is given through the union of sperm and egg at conception, just to make a fetus, is to claim that human beings are giving life rather than God.

But let's get back to the point of this thread...which is the right to privacy.

 

[ToPdOg]

Sorry but this isn't a women rights as much as it is a privacy issue.

I agree. Medical records should be private, period.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

My "pro-choice" rebuttal....just for debatting's sake...

Maybe I misread your post. But I am failing to see where you answered my first question. They talk about murder in the Bible...they even allude to miscarriages. Yet, they don't mention abortions. Why not?

Furthermore, the Bible connects life with breath. As a fetus does not breathe, therefore it is not truly alive, and so it is meaningless to talk of killing it. Almost like how Adam wasn't a living breathing creature until God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. Could Adam have been killed before that moment? Nope! So why can't the same be applied to a fetus?

I believe that God gives life, when he causes the newborn baby to begin breathing (as the "breath of life" has been mentioned all throughout the Bible). To claim that life is given through the union of sperm and egg at conception, just to make a fetus, is to claim that human beings are giving life rather than God.

But let's get back to the point of this thread...which is the right to privacy.

You make a strong argument, but no, I have not come across the word abortion mentioned in the bible.

Yes, the fetus breathes liquid oxygen shown in the videos below......it's breathing liquid instead of air.

Part 1 Wonders of the Human Body - LIQUID BREATHING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw9PTVmPJAY


Liquid Breathing Interview with Thomas Shaffer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF5e2raiB7c


PERFLUORODECALIN(C10F18)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdlyM7w8PM&feature=related

 

[ToPdOg]

My "pro-choice" rebuttal....just for debatting's sake...

Maybe I misread your post. But I am failing to see where you answered my first question. They talk about murder in the Bible...they even allude to miscarriages. Yet, they don't mention abortions. Why not?

Furthermore, the Bible connects life with breath. As a fetus does not breathe, therefore it is not truly alive, and so it is meaningless to talk of killing it. Almost like how Adam wasn't a living breathing creature until God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. Could Adam have been killed before that moment? Nope! So why can't the same be applied to a fetus?

I believe that God gives life, when he causes the newborn baby to begin breathing (as the "breath of life" has been mentioned all throughout the Bible). To claim that life is given through the union of sperm and egg at conception, just to make a fetus, is to claim that human beings are giving life rather than God.

But let's get back to the point of this thread...which is the right to privacy.

If a pregnant woman is murdered, and as a result her baby dies as well, how many counts of murder should be charged against the murderer? One count, or two counts of murder?

 

[PVSAX99]

If a pregnant woman is murdered, and as a result her baby dies as well, how many counts of murder should be charged against the murderer? One count, or two counts of murder?

The courts here in Texas will more than likely charge that person with two counts of murder. I'm torn on that one. That's a good question...

What's unclear, to me, is that if that is the case (ie someone can be charged with murder for killing a fetus), then why won't they consider abortions as a form of murder? If we go by Texas law, aren't they the same thing? The inconsistency definitely causes confusion. The fact that it is inconsistent makes me believe that "killing" a fetus SHOULD NOT be classified as murder.

What if something were to happen to a pregnant woman that would allegedly cause her to lose her baby? Should the person responsible be charged with murder?

You know, in Texas, they are ALL for "An eye for an eye..." meaning that the punishment should fit the crime. They strongly support the death penalty here in Texas, if they feel that the punishment is suitable for the person that's been convicted. So should someone be put to death over the "death of an unborn child"?