Oklahoma republican past law, OK's govt. to post private med. records


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New Oklahoma law will publicy post details of women’s abortions online.

On Nov. 1, a law in Oklahoma will go into effect that will collect personal details about every single abortion performed in the state and post them on a public website. Implementing the measure will “cost $281,285 the first year and $256,285 each subsequent year.â€￾ Here are the first eight questions that women will have to reveal:
1. Date of abortion
2. County in which abortion performed
3. Age of mother
4. Marital status of mother
(married, divorced, separated, widowed, or never married)
5. Race of mother
6. Years of education of mother
(specify highest year completed)
7. State or foreign country of residence of mother
8. Total number of previous pregnancies of the mother
Live Births
Miscarriages
Induced Abortions
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umm, maybe now they will kill this lazy black mothers killing babies theory and realize that it is middle class white women..
 
I think every State should adopt this policy to deter women from murdering innocent souls. Great job Oklahoma!:tup:
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
I think every State should adopt this policy to deter women from murdering innocent souls. Great job Oklahoma!:tup:
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What if the abortion is for medical reasons, or as a result of child rape or incest? Do you still think they should be made public?
 
ToPdOg said:
What if the abortion is for medical reasons, or as a result of child rape or incest? Do you still think they should be made public?
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I would have no problem aborting a child if God granted me the right to do so.......but He didn't, so I can't support any kind of abortion. The way I look at it is God knew the woman would be raped before the man raped her, so why didn't he stop it? God knew the sperm from the rapist would impregnate the innocent woman's womb, so why did He place a soul inside of a rape victim?

What's my point? There is a reason God allowed it to happen, and it may be beyond us to make sense of it; but God knows best, and we must allow nature to take its course because we don't know God's plan for the young infant. If God doesn't want the woman to have a child, then I'm sure God knows how to induce a miscarriage, cause natural death to the infant, or prevent the woman's egg from being fertilized.
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
I would have no problem aborting a child if God granted me the right to do so.......but He didn't, so I can't support any kind of abortion. The way I look at it is God knew the woman would be raped before the man raped her, so why didn't he stop it? God knew the sperm from the rapist would impregnate the innocent woman's womb, so why did He place a soul inside of a rape victim?

What's my point? There is a reason God allowed it to happen, and it may be beyond us to make sense of it; but God knows best, and we must allow nature to take its course because we don't know God's plan for the young infant. If God doesn't want the woman to have a child, then I'm sure God knows how to induce a miscarriage, cause natural death to the infant, or prevent the woman's egg from being fertilized.
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Are you sitting here and saying that if an 11 year old girl gets raped and as a result of that rape, she gets pregnant, then the pregnancy endangers her life to the point where it can kill her, they baby still shouldn't be aborted, and to top it off, those records should be made public?

When your kids get sick, do you give the medicine, or do you let God handle it and let nature take it's course? Using your logic, giving them medicine is not letting God handle it, and it's not letting nature take it's course. You sound like a scientologist.
 
If you support this, then ALL medical records should be made public.

If your penis is not working - the public needs to know, especially those in government.

Lets do it all, if we are going down this path. Why are women treated differently?

Why arent the medical records of the baby daddy published?
 
ToPdOg said:
Are you sitting here and saying that if an 11 year old girl gets raped and as a result of that rape, she gets pregnant, then the pregnancy endangers her life to the point where it can kill her, they baby still shouldn't be aborted, and to top it off, those records should be made public?

When your kids get sick, do you give the medicine, or do you let God handle it and let nature take it's course? Using your logic, giving them medicine is not letting God handle it, and it's not letting nature take it's course. You sound like a scientologist.
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Are you getting upset because this is my opinion based on biblical principle? Look, you may choose to follow the ways of the world, but I choose to follow the ways of the bible. We all fall short of the glory of God, but I'm not going to he// for murder when I know God does not approve of murder. What do I look like standing before God trying to explain why I murdered an innocent baby, and I knew it was murder before I did it? I would look like a pure fool because I allowed others to do my thinking instead of God. Again, you can't knock me for wanting to follow God's advice instead of advice from sinful men.

To answer your question about the 11 year old girl, the life of "EVERY" pregnant woman is in danger while giving birth to a child, so what's your point? Should we abort all babies to prevent women from the risk of dying while giving birth? If making the records public will prevent innocent babies from being murdered, then I say we should make it known to save innocent lives.

When my kids are severely sick, I pray for their healing while anointing them with olive oil. I then take them to a doctor and make the best medical decision to help them get well. While having a conversation with the doctor, death is not mentioned as a possible solution to heal my children.

No, using my logic is how God instructed us to care for the human body.
 
What makes you think I'm upset? I'm not upset at all dude. And for the record, I'm not pro-choice. Abortion is actually one of the few issues that I agree with you on, for the most part. However, if I had an 11 year old daughter that got raped, and the doctors told me that without an abortion, both the baby and my daughter would die, I would tell the doctor to proceed with the abortion. I wouldn't like it, but faced with that decision, that's the option I would choose. And I most certainly wouldn't want that to be made public. That's a private matter. So I ask you this question. If your daughter got raped, and the doctors told you that without an abortion, both your daughter and the baby would die, but with the abortion, your daughter's life could be saved, what would you do? The way you're talking it's if you want cases like that made public.
 
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ToPdOg said:
What makes you think I'm upset? I'm not upset at all dude. And for the record, I'm not pro-choice. Abortion is actually one of the few issues that I agree with you on, for the most part. However, if I had an 11 year old daughter that got raped, and the doctors told me that without an abortion, both the baby and my daughter would die, I would tell the doctor to proceed with the abortion. I wouldn't like it, but faced with that decision, that's the option I would choose. And I most certainly wouldn't want that to be made public. That's a private matter. So I ask you this question. If your daughter got raped, and the doctors told you that without an abortion, both your daughter and the baby would die, but with the abortion, your daughter's life could be saved, what would you do? The way you're talking it's if you want cases like that made public.
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I feel what you're saying, but what happens if the mother die anyway?

To answer your question, I would pray to seek God for guidance, read the laws in the bible to see if I missed something, discuss the matter with biblical scholars, seek a second/third doctor's opinion, and make my decision. I can't tell you what that decision would be because I'm not in that situation, and neither of those steps have been taken. All I can do is tell you the steps I would take and why. I'll even go so far to ask God to take my life instead of theirs, but that's just me.

In fact, I was faced with a similar situation in 2000, and one doctor suggested I abort my twin son because of his heart disease. The doctor upset my wife and told her our son wouldn't live to see 5. I came down pretty hard on my wife because she cried and actually considered the doctor's suggestion as if it was over; but I prayed/believed and my son is now 8 years old. At times, my wife thank me out of the blue for being strong in my faith, and believing that God will always work problems out...............prayer works.
 
~Walks in and looks around. He notices that the issue is about abortion and tries to leave before it turns into an debate on women's rights and privacy policies. He believes that this is definitely a woman's issue and proceeds to leave...but then he turns around and says~


If they are gonna make such a fuss about a woman and her decision to have an abortion, like they are doing in Oklahoma, they may as well do the EXACT SAME THING for guys who masterbate...lol. You know how many potential children are killed off whenever a guy...uhh...handles his business? Think about it.

Sounds silly...doesn't it? Let the same law apply for men, and let's see how quickly they try to get rid of it.

These double standards need to stop.

Disclaimer...this has nothing to do with me being pro-choice or pro-life. IMO, whether a woman is completely against abortion or not, it's still HER CHOICE to make. It's not our place to take her freedom of choice away.

~then he leaves...~
 
Royal Blue - just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the death penalty?

The reason I ask is because I would like to see how aligned they are with abortion. If my assumption is correct - your completely against corporal punishment.

The lord gives us an opportunity to make choices (whether right or wrong in his eyes) and I believe its up to the woman to have an abortion or not. That individual has to face the lord when its judgement time.
 
TSUalum05 said:
Royal Blue - just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the death penalty?

The reason I ask is because I would like to see how aligned they are with abortion. If my assumption is correct - your completely against corporal punishment.

The lord gives us an opportunity to make choices (whether right or wrong in his eyes) and I believe its up to the woman to have an abortion or not. That individual has to face the lord when its judgement time.
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Or better yet...what are your views on war? Is it okay if it's justifiable?

What are the conservative views on capital punishment in general?

Didn't want to help U-turn this thread...but I just had to ask.

Anyway...to get back to the point of this thread...and to continue bring the heat, I got some more questions to ask.

For my Bible thumping, conservative friends who are strongly pro-life and want to run to the Bible for support:

1. Where in the bible is the word "abortion" even mentioned? You'd be surprised...lol

2. When (in your opinion), does life begin? Your answer to this question will definitely interest me. I'm almost certain that...never mind...we'll see.
 
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TSUalum05 said:
Royal Blue - just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the death penalty?

The reason I ask is because I would like to see how aligned they are with abortion. If my assumption is correct - your completely against corporal punishment.

The lord gives us an opportunity to make choices (whether right or wrong in his eyes) and I believe its up to the woman to have an abortion or not. That individual has to face the lord when its judgement time.
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I get my opinions of civil law from the civil laws in the bible. God told us how to handle every civil crime imaginable in the bible to keep evil out of our community. It's extremely hard for others to murder if they see the community will dispatch that azz once found guilty by the court. God gave this instruction for the community, so it will maintain the peace and all will be well within the community.......the harsher the crime, the harsher the punishment. I always go to the bible first to understand how God feels, and I obey the laws of the land second.

Am I for the death penalty? Yes, because God is for the death penalty, and a second yes if the States support the death penalty in reference to murderers, rapist, drug dealers, and etc.

Am I for corporal punishment? Yes! If my children are acting a fool in class, then tear their azzes up, and when I get there I'm gone do the same thing.........tear that azz up.

Click the link below to see a comparison of our government and the bible. Our founding fathers set up the constitution directly out of the bible. The proof is below.....

The Bible and Government

Biblical Principles: Basis for America's Laws

http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government
 
PVSAX99 said:
Or better yet...what are your views on war? Is it okay if it's justifiable?

What are the conservative views on capital punishment in general?

For my Bible thumping, conservative friends who are strongly pro-life and want to run to the Bible for support:

1. Where in the bible is the word "abortion" even mentioned? You'd be surprised...lol

2. When (in your opinion), does life begin? Your answer to this question will definitely interest me. I'm almost certain that...never mind...we'll see.
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Murder is mentioned in several places throughout the bible. Just because Satan calls murder by another name doesn't rid the fact that abortion is actually murder. The dictionary says that murder is pre-mediated, and the last time I checked, abortions(murders) are pre-meditated, and morally unlawful. Are they not? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

God and Jesus are for war, so I gladly support war as long as it's righteous. Exd 15:3, Rev 12:7, Rev 19:11

I answered the capital punishment question in a previous post.

The bible tells us that God places the soul inside of a woman at conception. In other words, as soon as the sperm plants itself inside of the egg.....God puts the soul inside of the woman. Luke 1:34-44
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
I get my opinions of civil law from the civil laws in the bible. God told us how to handle every civil crime imaginable in the bible to keep evil out of our community. It's extremely hard for others to murder if they see the community will dispatch that azz once found guilty by the court. God gave this instruction for the community, so it will maintain the peace and all will be well within the community.......the harsher the crime, the harsher the punishment. I always go to the bible first to understand how God feels, and I obey the laws of the land second.

Am I for the death penalty? Yes, because God is for the death penalty, and a second yes if the States support the death penalty in reference to murderers, rapist, drug dealers, and etc.

Am I for corporal punishment? Yes! If my children are acting a fool in class, then tear their azzes up, and when I get there I'm gone do the same thing.........tear that azz up.

Click the link below to see a comparison of our government and the bible. Our founding fathers set up the constitution directly out of the bible. The proof is below.....

The Bible and Government

Biblical Principles: Basis for America's Laws

http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government
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That's understandable...

"An eye for an eye...a tooth for a tooth". So it says. The punishment SHOULD fit the crime. No doubt about that.

But the Bible also says, "Thou shall not kill..." Most conservatives would agree and preach that "all life is sacred", and run to the Bible to back them up. But if all life is so "sacred", how can you turn back to the Bible, and say "...an eye for an eye" when a man murders somebody? Who are we to pass that kind of judgement and take life? That's that conservate approach...right?

You'll contradict yourself EVERYTIME.

Now...just apply the contradiction to the abortion issue. You'll end up with the same situation.

So it's gotta be one...or the other. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
I get my opinions of civil law from the civil laws in the bible. God told us how to handle every civil crime imaginable in the bible to keep evil out of our community. It's extremely hard for others to murder if they see the community will dispatch that azz once found guilty by the court. God gave this instruction for the community, so it will maintain the peace and all will be well within the community.......the harsher the crime, the harsher the punishment. I always go to the bible first to understand how God feels, and I obey the laws of the land second.

Am I for the death penalty? Yes, because God is for the death penalty, and a second yes if the States support the death penalty in reference to murderers, rapist, drug dealers, and etc.
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NUMBERS 35:16-20 -- check it out regarding death -- I did not see that on the link you provided me but there are many scriptures regarding death.

My bad for hyjacking this thread but my thoughts on abortion as I stated earlier in this thread:

The lord gives us an opportunity to make choices (whether right or wrong in his eyes) and I believe its up to the woman to have an abortion or not. That individual has to face the lord when its judgement time.

Laws shouldn't be made regarding abortion. TO ME, ITS ON THE INDIVIDUAL TO STAND BEFORE THE LORD DURING JUDGEMENT TIME -- why I may not agree with things. Its not my business...

I do not believe having this law will deter folks from having abortions because its not naming names. Even though I say its not my business as far as who does and does not have abortions, I do agree with having the following statistics known just from a research perspective:
1. Date of abortion
2. County in which abortion performed
3. Age of mother
4. Marital status of mother
(married, divorced, separated, widowed, or never married)
5. Race of mother
6. Years of education of mother
(specify highest year completed)
7. State or foreign country of residence of mother
8. Total number of previous pregnancies of the mother
Live Births
Miscarriages
Induced Abortions
 
TSUalum05 said:
I do not believe having this law will deter folks from having abortions because its not naming names. Even though I say its not my business as far as who does and does not have abortions, I do agree with having the following statistics known just from a research perspective:
1. Date of abortion
2. County in which abortion performed
3. Age of mother
4. Marital status of mother
(married, divorced, separated, widowed, or never married)
5. Race of mother
6. Years of education of mother
(specify highest year completed)
7. State or foreign country of residence of mother
8. Total number of previous pregnancies of the mother
Live Births
Miscarriages
Induced Abortions
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Mind you now...these are ONLY THE FIRST 8 QUESTIONS...
 
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TSUalum05 said:
NUMBERS 35:16-20 -- check it out regarding death -- I did not see that on the link you provided me but there are many scriptures regarding death.
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But there are also many scripture regarding the sanctity of life as well. No lie, the scriptures in the Bible can swing like a pendelum and cause people to contradict themselves. That's why it's so dangerous to go Bible quoting and Bible thumping.

If a guy kills a murderer, is he a hero, worthy of recognition? Or is he a murderer, and subject to the punishment of his crime (ie death), like the murderer before him? And what about the guy who kills the second murderer (ie the deceased hero)? It's a vicious cycle.
 
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