Violent hazing at times in college band repertoire


shawiggi said:
I was actually refering to a post by SS but she either deleted it or my mind playing tricks on me. She said it was a accident and they didn't know how bad they were hurting the kids.
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I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you. One accident...maybe, but three students sent to intensive care?!

It truly amazes me how folks can shrug this off as not being a crime of some sort. Beating students to the point of them almost dying in ANY setting is unacceptable.
 
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shawiggi said:
I was actually refering to a post by SS but she either deleted it or my mind playing tricks on me. She said it was a accident and they didn't know how bad they were hurting the kids.
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Oh...I had deleted it prior to seeing your post. LOL

shawiggi said:
I disagree with ^^^this statement. If you are in the group and made Mello Phi Fellow you were probably hazed. So you know exactly what you're doing.
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What I meant was that they didn't realize/know that they could injure someone so severe b/c they didn't get injured that serious.

Honestly...before hearing about FAMU's incident, I didn't realize that receiving wood (being beat with a paddle) could cause blood clots and so forth to the point where medical attention is needed.:noidea: Now I know better and act accordingly :D

So that's what I meant. They just probably knew it hurt like heyal, that it happened to them, and that they couldn't sit on their azz the next day. But to the point where excessive wood could put someone in the intensive care unit...naw...they probably never imagined that. So in that regard, to me, it's an accident.
 



JayRob said:
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I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you. One accident...maybe, but three students sent to intensive care?!

It truly amazes me how folks can shrug this off as not being a crime of some sort. Beating students to the point of them almost dying in ANY setting is unacceptable.
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JayRob noone is shruggin it off as if nothing happened.

All I"m saying is it was an ACCIDENT! Them boys did not intend to send anyone to the hospital. They did not have it in their mind that, "oh...we gonna send this boy to the hospital. I'm going to beat him so bad til he almost die". :retard:

As far as, "One accident...maybe, but three students sent to intensive care?!", you make it seem like they continued beating people AFTER someone went into the intensive care unit!
 
JayRob said:
Putting somebody in intensive care is not an accident. These guys knew what they were doing while they were doing it. No excuses.
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Actually, I can disagree with this. I don't think anyone ever wants to harm someone in those situations. The problem is that (just as in frats, etc...) people don't know how to pledge anymore. The historical nature of those things have to be put so far underground nowaways that it's simply done wrong. People were not getting put in intensive care or killed even when hazing was legal. I would not touch a soul nowadays because these new school dudes are too soft, but I spent 10 years of my life either pledging or being pledged and I ain't seen no one get hurt yet!
 
southsuburbs said:
JayRob noone is shruggin it off as if nothing happened.

All I"m saying is it was an ACCIDENT! Them boys did not intend to send anyone to the hospital. They did not have it in their mind that, "oh...we gonna send this boy to the hospital. I'm going to beat him so bad til he almost die". :retard:

As far as, "One accident...maybe, but three students sent to intensive care?!", you make it seem like they continued beating people AFTER someone went into the intensive care unit!
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Actually SS, I wasn't referring to you, just to some posts I had read a while back. But I hear you though and your points are valid.:tup:
 
Tigerpride said:
Actually, I can disagree with this. I don't think anyone ever wants to harm someone in those situations. The problem is that (just as in frats, etc...) people don't know how to pledge anymore. The historical nature of those things have to be put so far underground nowaways that it's simply done wrong. People were not getting put in intensive care or killed even when hazing was legal. I would not touch a soul nowadays because these new school dudes are too soft, but I spent 10 years of my life either pledging or being pledged and I ain't seen no one get hurt yet!
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TP, you could be right, but it would seem to me that the hits had to be mighty hard for them to have bloodclots. I've never heard of this happening before (the bloodclots) on account of being paddled, so this leads me to believe that there was some "excessive beatings" going on toward those students.
Nevertheless, the students are fortunate to be alive and happy to hear that they're recovering.
 
JR said:
The school/band makes every student sign a statement/letter that they will not haze nor participate in getting hazed by anyone. Same type of letter the fraternities and sororities are having folks sign. Even if you are a pledge for those organizations and get hazed.....their National offices can choose not to admit you as a member because you violated the signed agreement just like the ones who hazed you. I have seen that happen with some folks.

In all reality.......SU could have chosen to not let any of them back in school for violating that agreement no matter how serious or minor the hazing was.

So even the victims of the hazing were not innocent. They volunteered to go through whatever they thought they needed to do even though they knew they were in violation of that agreement. If you read the story........you would realize not all the freshmen in that section made that choice, nor did all the upperclassmen.

Now those kids did not anticipate being put in the hospital. But even if the hazing would have been minor.....they violated that agreement.

FAMU has had the same issues with hazing and I saw where the school was not sued........but the individuals who did the hazing were sued and ordered to pay. So I assume those kids could sue those who inflicted the hazing on them. So it may not be over from that stand point. But school should not be involved in getting any civil action against them. It didn't happen on a band trip, or on campus or any other school/band event. That would be like the bank suing the JSU football program for that player robbing the bank and causing emotional stress or something. Obviously those who conducted the hazing made sure they went off campus to conceal their activities from the school and band program.
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I ain't feel like saying all of that... but this is the bottom line..

On top of that, the MEDIA was trying to make ties of this incident to the SCHOOL.... Again, this happened in Zachary, LA... This may have well happened in Shreveport... School was officially out when this event happened... So any good lawyer would have easily gotten the school out of this.... A half decent lawyer would make the notion Jayrob is making laughable..


Oh well.. I'm glad everything is turning out ok... Those kids involved will get another chance at life.... And SU will be sitting across the field on OCT. 3rd tearing a MUD hole in Jstank...

I'm good!
 
JayRob said:
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I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you. One accident...maybe, but three students sent to intensive care?!

It truly amazes me how folks can shrug this off as not being a crime of some sort. Beating students to the point of them almost dying in ANY setting is unacceptable.
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First off your FACTS are ALL FUGGed up!! It wasn't 3 kids in ICU...And no ONE ever made this situation out to be a light one.. YOU just looking for something more negative to come out of this situation.. YOU are dayum near 50 DUDE, grow the fuk up!

All this was in a nut shell was MISFORTUNE on both VOLUNTEERING parts!! I know them kids and I am telling you THEY didn't entend on sending no one to the hospital... If it was YOU, I would think or believe that.... but these kids NO... They did not want for this to happen the way it did BELIEVE that....

I'll let SS finish dealing with this light weight....

Come get em, SS...
 
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50?!! Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
I hope the Creator does grant me the life to not only reach fifty, but to go much farther.

On the other hand, some folks need to act like their IQ is more than 50.
 
JayRob said:
TP, you could be right, but it would seem to me that the hits had to be mighty hard for them to have bloodclots. I've never heard of this happening before (the bloodclots) on account of being paddled, so this leads me to believe that there was some "excessive beatings" going on toward those students.
Nevertheless, the students are fortunate to be alive and happy to hear that they're recovering.
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:retard:

Dude, have you ever been in a frat or any organization that hazed?
 
LMAO @ JAYROB being the Jayz of the board......Way past his prime to be posting...

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~walks out~
 
Smoke said:
:lol: So you ARE 50.... :shame:



~walks out~
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No. If you fell for that lie, you'll believe anything that stalker tells you.:smh:

Don't know how that has anything to do with this discussion though. Dude still mad I guess cause he was "found out".:emlaugh:
 
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Umm will someone tell the dumbass he told on his self trying to be a smart ass....smh

You said you were a sophomore at JSU in 82 necca! Puts your between 46-47.. Then again you ain't the brightest may have gotten held back in grade school a few times... yOU PUSHING 50 NECCA!!.. You too dayum old to be so dayum childish...Pushing 50 ain't a bad thing.. but being 50 and being you is pretty bad dude.. Knowing your age sheds a whole new light on your stupidity..

You been stupid for a LOOONG time my nicca....

Like Smoke said... "You 50...:shame:.."
 



A JSU sophomore in '82??!!:lol::lol::lol:

I see why they call you what they do. A liar and a stalker of men.
You need serious help dude.....seriously.
 
I thought Jayrob went to JSU in the 90s....:noidea:

I didn't think he was older than me. :confused:
 
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