Violent hazing at times in college band repertoire


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5/15/2009, 3:03 p.m. CDT
DOUG SIMPSON
The Associated Press

(AP) — BATON ROUGE, La. - When two first-year French horn players in Southern University's marching band were beaten so badly they had to be hospitalized in intensive care, it exposed a dirty secret: Hazing isn't reserved for fraternities.

At least one expert says the beatings are a growing problem at historically black colleges, where a spot in the marching band is coveted and the bands are revered almost as much as the sports teams for which they play their rousing fight songs.

"It's something that deserves more attention," said Walter Kimbrough, president of Philander Smith College in Little Rock, Ark., who has researched band hazing cases at historically black colleges nationwide and has been called as an expert witness in more than a dozen court cases involving hazing.

"And I'm just talking about violent cases-there could be a ton of those silent cases, the ones that could have been reported but weren't," he said.

Kimbrough estimated that 15 percent of the country's 80 historically black colleges have had violent hazings among band members over the past few years. He's found that brutal band hazings are not restricted to predominantly black schools but do crop up as a problem among bands that have cliques or subgroups that operate like fraternities-but without school authorization.

The victims at Southern apparently were seeking membership to "Mellow Phi Fellow," a fraternity-like subgroup of the French horn section, according to investigators.

The three told investigators that on Nov. 27, 2008-two days before the band performed at Southern's annual Bayou Classic football game against Grambling State in the Louisiana Superdome-they gathered at the off-campus home of one of their bandmates, where they were blindfolded, doused with water and beaten with a board.

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I've met Kimbrough and have talked extensively with him and this article only isolates the situation that happened in Baton Rouge but there's waaay more to this situation that spans college bands period. The media reports HBCU band situations but the problem exist moreso in PWU bands! The twist to HBCU bands is that it is geared toward sections rather the entire band. The problem lies within each band structure that ALLOWS that type of actions to exist! Every director should know their members and address the situation before it becomes a problem!
 



I know what you mean. The University of Wisconsin was suspended last year for some serious satanic type hazing.

And it was their second time in 3 years I believe. Not to mention they only got suspended briefly last season. Not for the whole season.

While we do have some issues at our HBCUs in the form of band hazing.......we are not the only ones.
 
Southern band hazing suspect pleads no contest

http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...011/La.+band+hazing+suspect+pleads+no+contest

The Associated Press • July 23, 2009

La. band hazing suspect pleads no contest

BATON ROUGE — A second former Southern University marching band member has pleaded no contest in a hazing incident that sent two band members to the hospital before the 2008 Bayou Classic game against Grambling State.


Carlo-Andres Carter, 20, of Stone Mountain, Ga., pleaded to criminal conspiracy to commit second-degree battery and misdemeanor hazing. State District Judge Chip Moore said Wednesday he will sentence Carter on Sept. 22, along with Lagarian Bridgewater, 22, of Baton Rouge, who entered the same plea on July 2.

District Attorney Hillar Moore said Carter, Bridgewater and the five other defendants who are expected to enter no-contest pleas likely will be put on probation. The seven face the same charges.

“Carlo is a good boy. It’s a situation he regrets,†his lawyer, James Rothkamm, said after the plea. “He took responsibility for it. He hopes the victims fully recover.â€

Carter told Moore he attends school in Georgia.

The incident occurred as three victims at Southern University were seeking membership in “Mellow Phi Fellow,†a fraternity-like subgroup of the band’s French horn section, according to investigators.
 
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*moves out the way*

But I wish all these young men the best in life after this tho....


~walks out~
 
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...why you lookin' like that cuz? Whats the problem?

And this aint about SU; for all bands.

"Snake"

That name does sound kind of gay Snake!! :D

However...back to topic...I am glad the boys may only get probation! I think with hazing incidents...especially when everyone involved are willing participants...the punishment should be a "learned lesson", not something that could possibly change a person's life all together. I'm sure this whole experience has been a "learned lesson" for everyone involved/around the issue. Hazing is serious and the laws are serious.
 
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The problem I see with the whole participating in/orchestrating of hazing is: What's the point? It seems like every year, every campus, somebody cannot control themselves/don't see they've crossed the line/can't stop themselves from inflicting massive pain on their fellow students in the name of an organization. Can you tell me what exactly is the ultimate goal--besides symbols or membership--and was it worth it.

These are classic examples of abuse begats abuse begats abuse and so on...
 
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I agree with Shake and SS, STHU...No one from JSU should ever talk about "gay"...

Peace
 
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Well it's a lot of stuff you can be calling gay over your way, so get crackn'..

No, I don't want to take attention away from the purpose of this thread...

Mellow phi Fellow and Hazing at SU; How's that working out for y'all? ;)
 



were beaten so badly they had to be hospitalized in intensive care,

If these criminals just get probation, I'd file a civil lawsuit against the school. No way should they get off without some prison time.
I don't think the victims consented to being put in intensive care.:smh:

Putting somebody in intensive care is not an accident. These guys knew what they were doing while they were doing it. No excuses.
 
I disagree with ^^^this statement. If you are in the group and made Mello Phi Fellow you were probably hazed. So you know exactly what you're doing.
 
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No, I don't want to take attention away from the purpose of this thread...

Mellow phi Fellow and Hazing at SU; How's that working out for y'all? ;)

It's working out ok.. You read the article didn't ya'? My Band is still on/over schedule to be busting your band's ass AGAIN... And the little control you all had with Lidell sloppy dressing arse over there is gone, so now you all have a guy with no clue from Alcorn running yall show over there... How in the hell is that working for y'all?

:lecture:
 
If these criminals just get probation, I'd file a civil lawsuit against the school. No way should they get off without some prison time.
I don't think the victims consented to being put in intensive care.:smh:

Putting somebody in intensive care is not an accident. These guys knew what they were doing while they were doing it. No excuses.

Dream on dude...

Most of what was in the PAPER and the isht you are reading was over exaggerated any way.. I know a whole lot more than what you know about this story and so does these kids lawyers and so does the school.....


And Southern University can't be sued for something that took place OFF of school campus... In a WHOLE different city, quit smoking that EWW WEEEE dude..


You sorry arse just want to see something more done to SU band... It ain't happNIN Capt'um..

Find you some other business, you too dayum old to be so dayum hateful and childish.. Dude is pushing 50, don't believe in Christ and trying to act "Christ Like" in this thread.. Dude kick rocks...
 
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It's working out ok.. You read the article didn't ya'? My Band is still on/over schedule to be busting your band's ass AGAIN... And the little control you all had with Lidell sloppy dressing arse over there is gone, so now you all have a guy with no clue from Alcorn running yall show over there... How in the hell is that working for y'all?

:lecture:


Y'all just make sure y'all not suspended come Oct. 3!
 
If these criminals just get probation, I'd file a civil lawsuit against the school. No way should they get off without some prison time.
I don't think the victims consented to being put in intensive care.:smh:

Putting somebody in intensive care is not an accident. These guys knew what they were doing while they were doing it. No excuses.

The school/band makes every student sign a statement/letter that they will not haze nor participate in getting hazed by anyone. Same type of letter the fraternities and sororities are having folks sign. Even if you are a pledge for those organizations and get hazed.....their National offices can choose not to admit you as a member because you violated the signed agreement just like the ones who hazed you. I have seen that happen with some folks.

In all reality.......SU could have chosen to not let any of them back in school for violating that agreement no matter how serious or minor the hazing was.

So even the victims of the hazing were not innocent. They volunteered to go through whatever they thought they needed to do even though they knew they were in violation of that agreement. If you read the story........you would realize not all the freshmen in that section made that choice, nor did all the upperclassmen.

Now those kids did not anticipate being put in the hospital. But even if the hazing would have been minor.....they violated that agreement.

FAMU has had the same issues with hazing and I saw where the school was not sued........but the individuals who did the hazing were sued and ordered to pay. So I assume those kids could sue those who inflicted the hazing on them. So it may not be over from that stand point. But school should not be involved in getting any civil action against them. It didn't happen on a band trip, or on campus or any other school/band event. That would be like the bank suing the JSU football program for that player robbing the bank and causing emotional stress or something. Obviously those who conducted the hazing made sure they went off campus to conceal their activities from the school and band program.
 
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I disagree with ^^^this statement. If you are in the group and made Mello Phi Fellow you were probably hazed. So you know exactly what you're doing.

I'm not talking about hazing in general, I'm talking about the "degree" of hazing that occurred. Hazing is obviously a 'rites of passage' in bands, fraternities, etc., but there has to be limitations though. That's my point.

If not, we'll just wait until the next person's sent to the hospital and probably dies.
Regardless of how the students ended up in intensive care, the students were fortunate they didn't die.
 
I'm not talking about hazing in general, I'm talking about the "degree" of hazing that occurred. Hazing is obviously a 'rites of passage' in bands, fraternities, etc., but there has to be limitations though. That's my point.

If not, we'll just wait until the next person's sent to the hospital and probably dies.
Regardless of how the students ended up in intensive care, the students were fortunate they didn't die.

I was actually refering to a post by SS but she either deleted it or my mind playing tricks on me. She said it was a accident and they didn't know how bad they were hurting the kids.
 
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