Vodun to Christianity

[TxSu 89]

I ran across this article and was interested in what some of you think about it.



http://open.salon.com/blog/chantal_laurent/2009/05/16/most_religious_practices_originate_from_vodun

 

[JagBR]

Is there any truth to "voodoo"? I think of it as something "make believe". Anyone has any evidence that it is for real?

 

[illinijag]

I would not recommend Voodoo to anyone. This is Satan's open domain, we should never pursue him or his work. Our best course of action is to flee..stay away. Contary to common beliefs, Satan has limited powers.

Satan objective is to lead all away from Christ, even if Satan only causes you to question the Bible or Christianity, he has succeeded.

This Sunday School Lesson speaks of the power of darkness and the underlining source of evil that guides even Government, nations and other forms of authority; These are unseen...Voodoo in open darkness

Ephesians 6:12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Don't ever think you are strong enough to be entertianed by Voodoo and not snared by it. Satan is deceitful...if such make you even doubt (the Bible/Christianity/God), Satan has succeeded.

1 Corinthians 10:12. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

The Truth is in the Holy Bible, God's Reveal Will, the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

Good Day and God Bless

 

[illinijag]

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

 

[nevaehinvesting]

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

:tup:

 

[Attack Dog]

We could not have made it through the middle passage, the "seasoning process", and the plantation without OUR religions. The Europeans did not have nor do they understand the expression of a deep connection with the creator. When we see people shout and dance in the church you are witnessing our ancient cultures. When the preacher "whoops and hollers" you are witnessing our ancient cultures. The original people of the planet earth are much older than 6,000 yrs. and God has been with us the entire way.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Thanks for posting this scripture because I couldn't help but think about king Saul going to the witch for truth instead of God. We all know what happened to Saul and his army.

God doesn't play when it comes to the above verse and this is why I strongly encourage those I know selling drugs to immediately stop, repent, and ask forgiveness.

 

[illinijag]

We could not have made it through the middle passage, the "seasoning process", and the plantation without OUR religions. The Europeans did not have nor do they understand the expression of a deep connection with the creator. When we see people shout and dance in the church you are witnessing our ancient cultures. When the preacher "whoops and hollers" you are witnessing our ancient cultures. The original people of the planet earth are much older than 6,000 yrs. and God has been with us the entire way.

I would like to add a comment to your post….

I grew up in the Whoop Holler world of Churching, at a young age I did not understand it, as I got older little changed. What I did notice is that all people have an emotional response to that which excites them; such can even be a Whooping which promotes a highly charged Church atmosphere. The most effective agent in an emotional charge atmosphere in both Church and in the World is music. Music, even that which is used in most local Churches, is not the God Ordained mean of reaching a sinner. God Ordained mean is the Preached Word.

Romans 10:14. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

As I came to know the Lord, many years after playing Church and making an ignorant-filled traditional statement of faith, I learned that God requires obedience above emotional responses. Many Blacks assume to have a more "spirit filled" relationship with God, due to our outward emotional responses. If such is true, the fruits of those who "whoop / preach" or "holler / praise" should abound more spiritually to those who do not. If not, can we make this claim?

My preference in preaching is a knowledgeable insightful exposition of scripture, which speaks to or of Christ crucified. I do not need whoop or prefer whoopping, the word and the word alone will suffice. God doesn’t need props or entertainment to reach His elect. God does not use carnal tools in spiritual warfare, nor does he teach us to do so (2 Corinthians 10:4).

If anyone "hollers", such is their choice; however, the real evidence of a spirit filled life from true Church edification (building up the Church) is the fruit produced by those who holler. The success of he who whoops (preach) is the degree to which he preach accurately (exegete) the word of God. A preacher need not to worry about who get saved, that is God's responsibility.


Good Day and God Bless

 

[Attack Dog]

What we see is an infusion of cultures where true meanings have been lost in translation. We tried our best to maintain our cultures, but the fear of death and being sold helped to deter the passing of knowledge. So many things that had very special meanings became merely "show" over time.

 

[JayRob]

Seems like some commented before reading the article.
History has clearly shown that all religions stem from Africa, including the Vodun religion. Voo-doo has been portrayed by Hollywood to be evil and of the devil, when in actuality, a large part of Christianity stems from the Vodun religion, as mentioned in the article.

As mentioned in the article, Vodun worshippers believe in "good" spirits as well as "evil" spirits, the same as Christians.
Black folks have simply lost their history. When that history is revealed to them, many still refuse to believe it, but they'd rather believe what White folks say, the very ancestors of those who actually stole their history and changed it around and labelled it as THEIR history and religion.

The original mother and child originated in Africa under the names Isis and Horus. The original Trinity was Osiris, Isis and Horus.
The Christian religion simply changed the race to a White Mary and White baby and named him Jesus.

If one is not afraid to look into the history of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, one will find that all.....and I do mean ALL, are simply a reinterpretation and regurgitation of previous religions that began in Africa and Asia.
The only difference is that the names, places, people, times and events have been given different names.

The Catholic Church has all but admitted this, but in order to keep the masses under their control and authority, they also claim that Satan knew thousands of years in advance that a "Savior" would come on the scene to save mankind from evil, so to deceive the masses, this Satan started several religions to pull people away from the true God, Savior and Messiah.

This is their only defense against the overwhelming evidence of history and archaeological findings clearly showing that Christianity, Judaism, Islam and other religions, were in all actuality the SAME religion as taught in ancient Africa and Asia.

The article is quite informative and quite accurate.

 

[illinijag]

Seems like some commented before reading the article.
History has clearly shown that all religions stem from Africa, including the Vodun religion. Voo-doo has been portrayed by Hollywood to be evil and of the devil, when in actuality, a large part of Christianity stems from the Vodun religion, as mentioned in the article.

As mentioned in the article, Vodun worshippers believe in "good" spirits as well as "evil" spirits, the same as Christians.
Black folks have simply lost their history. When that history is revealed to them, many still refuse to believe it, but they'd rather believe what White folks say, the very ancestors of those who actually stole their history and changed it around and labelled it as THEIR history and religion.

The original mother and child originated in Africa under the names Isis and Horus. The original Trinity was Osiris, Isis and Horus.
The Christian religion simply changed the race to a White Mary and White baby and named him Jesus.

If one is not afraid to look into the history of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, one will find that all.....and I do mean ALL, are simply a reinterpretation and regurgitation of previous religions that began in Africa and Asia.
The only difference is that the names, places, people, times and events have been given different names.

The Catholic Church has all but admitted this, but in order to keep the masses under their control and authority, they also claim that Satan knew thousands of years in advance that a "Savior" would come on the scene to save mankind from evil, so to deceive the masses, this Satan started several religions to pull people away from the true God, Savior and Messiah.

This is their only defense against the overwhelming evidence of history and archaeological findings clearly showing that Christianity, Judaism, Islam and other religions, were in all actuality the SAME religion as taught in ancient Africa and Asia.

The article is quite informative and quite accurate.

If you believe the above, there is nothing I or any Christian can say to change your mind. Your view implies that Christanity was derived from man not God. This put our views on two different path that will never cross. That which I believe (The Bible), give clear instructions:

2 John 1:10-11. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

with that I will part..

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

If you believe the above, there is nothing I or any Christian can say to change your mind. Your view implies that Christanity was derived from man not God. This put our views on two different path that will never cross. That which I believe (The Bible), give clear instructions:

2 John 1:10-11. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

with that I will part..

All we(Christians) can do is pray for him. I love him and I pray he accepts Christianity.

 

[JayRob]

If you believe the above, there is nothing I or any Christian can say to change your mind. Your view implies that Christanity was derived from man not God. This put our views on two different path that will never cross. That which I believe (The Bible), give clear instructions:

2 John 1:10-11. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

with that I will part..

I'm not trying to convince anyone, that's why I encouraged posters to read the history or religions for him or herself.

Because we've been fed a certain religion since birth, because our parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, friends, relatives and others around us observe certain rituals, we've been programmed to follow instead of following up.

If archaeological, geographical, scientific and historical evidence won't convince one, that's on them.
If the fact that dozens and dozens of major characteristics of Christianity, are found in other religions that existed hundreds of years before Christianity, won't convince one that the founders of Christianity copied from other religions, that's something that that person will have to deal with in his/her own mind.

I do though, applaud some of the laymen from the Catholic Church at least for their honesty in finally admitting this.

 

[JayRob]

All we(Christians) can do is pray for him. I love him and I pray he accepts Christianity.

Pray for me for what, cause I chose to actually do some research and find out that modern day religions were copied from previous religions and writings?

I find it highly disingenuous of you to flat out reject what I've posted by simply encouraging other's to "pray for me" as if I was wrong in what I posted. You didn't even produce a simple rebuttal disproving anything I posted, yet you want others to pray for me?

Even the Bible commands one to "prove all things".
I was shocked to find out what I have found out, but it still didn't stop me from acknowledging what I couldn't possibly deny any longer.
That's just me, but each person has to do what he/she thinks is best.

It's not my job nor is it my intention to convert anyone to anything.
I was simply responding to the Vodun article on a "public" forum.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Pray for me for what, cause I chose to actually do some research and find out that modern day religions were copied from previous religions and writings?

I find it highly disingenuous of you to flat out reject what I've posted by simply encouraging other's to "pray for me" as if I was wrong in what I posted. You didn't even produce a simple rebuttal disproving anything I posted, yet you want others to pray for me?

Even the Bible commands one to "prove all things".
I was shocked to find out what I have found out, but it still didn't stop me from acknowledging what I couldn't possibly deny any longer.
That's just me, but each person has to do what he/she thinks is best.

It's not my job nor is it my intention to convert anyone to anything.
I was simply responding to the Vodun article on a "public" forum.

Do people praying for you upset you?

 

[illinijag]

To all of my Christian Brothers and Sisters:

Please do not seek to learn, tamper with or pursue any VOODOO or Satanic spirits. Satan is extremely powerful and often those he has captured, he will never turn loose. God has given Satan limited powers, powers we can not match. I have seen people who have been effected by these pursuits, none are good.

God has given us only one tool to fight against these powers, that is the Word of God (Ephesians 6:17). We are never to actively pursue these spirits, King Saul did at his own demise (1 Samuel 28:7-25).


The Bible does say Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1Thessalonians 5:21). However to prove all things is to subject those things to Scripture. To search out this ungodly doctrine for proof is like telling your child to touch the burner to determine if it is Hot. The purpose of the Bible is for our admonision so we don't have to make the same mistakes that were made in the past.

This again is a scripture you are admonished to follow:

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.


Good Day and God Bless

 

[JayRob]

Typical rebuttals, but not surprising.
Rather than disprove what is clearly documented and proven to be true, the easy and usual way to avoid it is to label it as a tool of Satan.

Instead of honestly investigating with an objective mind, just discard it as Satanic and of the devil. That'll do it every time.

It's a good thing Galileo and others who discovered various diseases that "religious leaders" claimed was of the devil, actually followed up and did research and actually proved that diseases were caused by bacteria and viruses and not some demon.

Honest debate these days is hard to find, especially when it comes to religion.

 

[JayRob]

Do people praying for you upset you?

I don't mine people praying for me, cause I do it for others, but what is disturbing is when another person ask others to pray for someone who they've not proven to have done anything wrong.

If I did something wrong, then of course I need to be prayed for, but if not, the person making the prayer request would seem to be in need of prayer more than myself.

 

[illinijag]

Typical rebuttals, but not surprising.
Rather than disprove what is clearly documented and proven to be true, the easy and usual way to avoid it is to label it as a tool of Satan.

Instead of honestly investigating with an objective mind, just discard it as Satanic and of the devil. That'll do it every time.

It's a good thing Galileo and others who discovered various diseases that "religious leaders" claimed was of the devil, actually followed up and did research and actually proved that diseases were caused by bacteria and viruses and not some demon.

Honest debate these days is hard to find, especially when it comes to religion.

You have your doctrine and I have mine. As you continue your endless search, I will rest firmly in the knowledge found inside the Holy Bible.

Galileo and others were just instruments of God. Any and all that they found, invented or discovered was due only to the will of God. We error when we admire that which is created and not the Creator.

However, as men goes, I will follow the advice of the following:

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

Acts 5:29. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

This advice I will follow, only because these men are following God.

I have 100% assurance in my Doctrine and where I shall be in eternity... You will be wise to access your assurance, for no one that is indecisive or lukewarm is acceptable in the end.

Revelation 3:16. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

I don't think this is up for debate!

Good Day and God Bless

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I don't mine people praying for me, cause I do it for others, but what is disturbing is when another person ask others to pray for someone who they've not proven to have done anything wrong.

If I did something wrong, then of course I need to be prayed for, but if not, the person making the prayer request would seem to be in need of prayer more than myself.

Please post where I asked someone to pray for you. I made a statement, but I didn't ask people to pray for you. Also, people don't have to pray for you to be doing something wrong. I ask people to pray for me all the time, especially when I'm doing right because I don't want to take a wrong turn in my life, make a bad decision, and etc.......

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Instead of honestly investigating with an objective mind, just discard it as Satanic and of the devil. That'll do it every time.

.......you mean like king Saul did when he went to the witch for advice, or how about when king Solomon with all his wisdom; couldn't make a wise decision not to worship idol gods. The last time I checked, God stated that "ALL" knowledge, wisdom, and understanding comes from HIM. In other words, the knowledge in your head is not there because of JayRob,-God allowed you to have the ability to retain knowledge. Having said that, I leave you with powerful statement from God.......

Job 12

9Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?

10In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

11Doth not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his meat?

12With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.

13With him is wisdom and strength, he hath counsel and understanding.

14Behold, he breaketh down, and it cannot be built again: he shutteth up a man, and there can be no opening.

15Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth.

16With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.

17He leadeth counsellors away spoiled, and maketh the judges fools.

18He looseth the bond of kings, and girdeth their loins with a girdle.

19He leadeth princes away spoiled, and overthroweth the mighty.

20He removeth away the speech of the trusty, and taketh away the understanding of the aged.

21He poureth contempt upon princes, and weakeneth the strength of the mighty.

22He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.

23He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them: he enlargeth the nations, and straiteneth them again.

24He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way.

25They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

.......no need for me to continue highlighting who has true knowledge, wisdom, and understanding........it's evident.

 

[illinijag]

Job 12

9Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?

10In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

11Doth not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his meat?

12With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.

13With him is wisdom and strength, he hath counsel and understanding.

14Behold, he breaketh down, and it cannot be built again: he shutteth up a man, and there can be no opening.

15Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth.

16With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.

17He leadeth counsellors away spoiled, and maketh the judges fools.

18He looseth the bond of kings, and girdeth their loins with a girdle.

19He leadeth princes away spoiled, and overthroweth the mighty.

20He removeth away the speech of the trusty, and taketh away the understanding of the aged.

21He poureth contempt upon princes, and weakeneth the strength of the mighty.

22He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.

23He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them: he enlargeth the nations, and straiteneth them again.

24He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way.

25They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man.

Job in an impressive Guy, if any man wishes to establish personal standards for living, (other the Jesus) Job is the Guy. This may seem raw, but it really drives home Job's desire for perfection:

Job 31:9-12. If mine heart have been deceived by a woman, or if I have laid wait at my neighbour's door; Then let my wife grind unto another, and let others bow down upon her. For this is an heinous crime; yea, it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges. For it is a fire that consumeth to destruction, and would root out all mine increase.

What type of man would have the courage to make such a pledge:

Job 1:1. There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

:lecture:...if David will sat on the right side of Christ, Job may get the left (just kidding, I leave such matters to God)

Good Day and God Bless

 

[JayRob]

.......no need for me to continue highlighting who has true knowledge, wisdom, and understanding........it's evident.

Whether you know it or not, those scriptures came from previous religions and ancient writings and were transferred to the Bible by men.....but carry on as you please.

 

[JayRob]

.......you mean like king Saul did when he went to the witch for advice, or how about when king Solomon with all his wisdom; couldn't make a wise decision not to worship idol gods. The last time I checked, God stated that "ALL" knowledge, wisdom, and understanding comes from HIM. In other words, the knowledge in your head is not there because of JayRob,-God allowed you to have the ability to retain knowledge. Having said that, I leave you with powerful statement from God.......

Since you want to go there, how do you know God wrote or inspired the Bible? How do you know mortal men didn't write words down and put a "God title" to it and pawned it off as God doing it? It's easy to do you know.