ROYAL BLUE
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Dr. Alan Keyes Trespass Warning - Notre Dame
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ROYAL BLUE
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You're severely missing the point! Man has a habit of changing God's law because they can't bear them. Christ is letting man know God will in no way change His law, and all men will be judged by God's law. We can change and doctor the law, however God and Christ will stand on that law. This is why Christians must repent and ask forgiveness of our sins to square ourselves with God. Man's laws may free you on earth, but he can't free you from God's. In other words, you may get away with murder on earth, but you won't get away with it in heaven.
JayRob, the scripture is not the problem, man is the problem and we like to change laws to fit our sinful desires.
GRAM4LIFE
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What about their platform do you disagree with?
ROYAL BLUE
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I'll get back with you.....
JayRob
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But the scripture says to KILL the children, no if's, and's or but's about it. Kill the children, kill the fornicators, kill the adulterers, kill the killers....
SleepyCrat
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ROYAL BLUE
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.......where do you think people get the quote "I brought you into this world and I'll take you out"? They got this quote from the verses below.....
Deuteronomy 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Deuteronomy 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
Deuteronomy 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
Deuteronomy 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
ROYAL BLUE
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Teaching children about our Creator is not mentioned in the education platform, therefore I disagree with the education platform. Learning about God is the foundation for any child.
Republicans want to cut taxes instead of putting a permanent limit on federal taxes. IMO, 10% should suffice. Also, republicans have no desire to get rid of the IRS and this upsets me more than any tax cut they can give. The IRS should be first to go followed by the federal reserve act.
Lastly, the republicans don't have a plan to create our own currency. You have to be a complete idiot to not realize you could create and control your own currency.
Republicans are afraid to push nuclear energy and they have bought into the global warming lie. Global warming is just another way to scare Americans and a genius way to rob Americans openly.
JayRob
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....but that still doesn't address killing children when they disrespect adults and still doesn't address women and men being killed because of fornication and adultery. As you say, if we're going to follow one part of the "law", we should follow all of it. Not one jot or tittle of scripture should be ignored, so let the killings begin.
LIke I said, we don't need to mix religion and politics or we'll end up with total dictatorship (like Rome, Hitler, the Inquisition, etc), who will order mass killings of those who don't believe like they do. Alan Keyes is not stable enough to lead people on a national level.
ROYAL BLUE
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JayRob, I agree with all of the scripture. I don't have to worry about bringing my kids before a court to have them killed because my kids are God fearing obedient kids. Scripture states in order to have children killed, then the "parents" must take action first in order to fully obey the law. No where in scripture does it say that "any" citizen can walk up to "any" child and slay him or her.
Your take is that if we're not following "all" of the law, then we shouldn't follow any of God's law. We differ here because I believe if America adopted God's way of doing things, then evil Americans would fear committing crimes......that's scripture. Again, the problem is not God's law, the problem is man not obeying God's law. If the murder rate is high in your city, it's because the city is not obeying God's law.
Can you please show me the scripture that states fornicators should be killed? I always knew that adulterers should be sentenced, so I don't need scripture for adultery.
coldsweat
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Look, I'm all for nuclear energy, but when you can find or create away to safely store the waste, then you'll continue to have this problem with popular support or lack thereof. There has to be a plan in place from a project management perspective in order for us to go full steam ahead with nuclear energy. Yucca Mountain has not proved to be as safe as many thought it would be and there are still problems that engineers don't fully know how to solve.
As for global warming, if God said that this Earth would end by fire, how do you suppose that happens unless 1)we lose the protective layer surrounding earth, 2)some major asteroid/comet impact, 3)sun flares that reach here and disintegrate everything. :noidea:
All of the above involves global warming in some capacity as the fossil fuels we emit will eventually wear down the protective shield of the Earth resulting in catastrophic damage. :lecture:
JayRob
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When the daughter of a priest profanes herself through fornication, she profanes her father; she shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9)
If a man lies with a woman having her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her flow and she has laid bare her flow of blood; both of them shall be cut off from their people. (Leviticus 20:18)
Hey RB, since you believe ALL scripture, what about these scriptures: ---the status of handicapped people in the Old Testament? Handicapped people could not approach God. Their presence would profane his sanctuary. (Lev 21:16-23)
--Entrance into the assembly of the Lord was granted only to those with complete testicles. (Duet 23:1) Now, I will admit that keeping one's testicles in tact is a pursuit worthy of some attention, but I have to ask: What went on in the "assembly of the Lord" that required a complete and full set of testicles? And, since testicles are usually not on display, was there someone at the gate assigned to check?:noidea:
--If a couple has sex during the woman's period, the two are to be cut off from their people. (Lev 20:18)
Do you believe those scriptures?:noidea:
These are only a few examples as to why religious zealots should NEVER be placed in power.
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ROYAL BLUE
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I believe God should be included in everything we do because He told us to include Him. In fact, not only did He say include Him, but He stated put Him "first" in everything we do. Pull out your currency and look at "In God We Trust", or read the pledge of allegiance and pay close attention to "one nation under God".
Pentagon Evangelicals/ Christian Embassy (John MacArthur)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaG5uxF7uF8
JayRob
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What "God" were they referring to is the key question.
The "founding fathers" were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.
When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3)
This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.
ROYAL BLUE
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Nuclear Waste(2:50 mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf4y8fWTp5Y
God did not say the earth will be destroyed by man, and you can't show one scripture to support your argument. The fire you're talking about comes from God and not global warming. I can confirm this by the verses below.......
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
This same fire can destroy and heal depending on the individual's relationship with God.
ROYAL BLUE
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Where is your proof?
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coldsweat
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Blue, how else do you think the Earth will be destroyed? And when did I say man would destroy the earth. All I said wascoldsweat said:
Yes God will destroy the Earth, but he also has the power to allow us to play a key role in it through our own ineptitude and creations!
Nuclear wars, famine, water contamination, etc. All that stuff is discussed in Revelations! :nod: And all of that stuff has the ability to be corrupted by MAN! The point that I'm making is that the Earth will be destroyed by fire! Point blank. Now how do you suppose it's going to happen? :noidea: I would say those 3 things I listed above are pretty damn close!
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ROYAL BLUE
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Yes God will destroy the Earth, but he also has the power to allow us to play a key role in it through our own ineptitude and creations!
Nuclear wars, famine, water contamination, etc. All that stuff is discussed in Revelations! :nod: And all of that stuff has the ability to be corrupted by MAN! The point that I'm making is that the Earth will be destroyed by fire! Point blank. Now how do you suppose it's going to happen? :noidea: I would say those 3 things I listed above are pretty damn close!
The earth will not be destroyed. Why would God destroy the very place heaven will be? God stated He's coming to earth to "renew" the earth..........not destroy it. In fact, God's most favorite place in the universe is Jerusalem and this is where He shall return.
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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coldsweat
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Um..blue, show me in scripture where God says that he will "renew" the Earth.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.[/QUOTE]
This scripture seems to suggest that there will be a NEW Heaven and a NEW Earth. What do you think happened to the Old Earth? :noidea:
ROYAL BLUE
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The death you're mentioning is dealing with the "High Office", however it does not have anything to do with common people. God doesn't play when it comes to His priest and judgment starts at the pulpit. God killed a priest for touching the ark of the covenant after all priest were instructed not to touch the ark. The priest was trying to prevent the ark from falling off the cart, however God saw it as no excuse because that never would have happened if the priests had carried the ark as God instructed.
Again, I support all of God's scripture. Some of the things in the scripture may be a bit strong, but I would never tell God I disagree with Him.
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ROYAL BLUE
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Ok, I will give you that, however scripture doesn't state the earth will be destroyed. I'll answer your question when you tell me what happened to the old heaven. Was there global warming in heaven?
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coldsweat
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But scripture does imply that God and his angels will pour our their wrath upon the Earth ultimately leading to it's destruction and paving the way for a new Heaven and a new Earth!
And again for your global warming argument:
And since you said that mankind (CANNOT) cause destruction to the Earth, please elaborate on the scripture below:
I'll be waiting over here -------------------------------------> :lecture:
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coldsweat
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The old heaven passed away as stated by scripture.
Blue, if there is no more sea as the scripture suggests, how can Humans survive?
Surely this must mean that Earth is destroyed right! Destruction not in the sense that the Planet will blow up, but let's just say that Earth becomes what present day Mars is...uninhabitable! :nod: Global warming in heaven?
Huh! You're taking this stuff to literal. Perhaps what God mean was the "heavenly bodies above..i.e. the Milky Way Galaxy, etc. Who knows...maybe God will take us to a new planet and a new galaxy. :noidea:
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ROYAL BLUE
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Yes, Christ will make sure God's wrath is poured, however you forgot to identify who the wrath is directed towards. The wrath is directed towards evil people who dwell on earth. What happened when God poured His wrath on Sodom and Gomorrah? What happened when God flooded the earth? What happened when God caused the Ice Age? Was the earth destroyed, or was it orbiting on its axis. Again, the wrath is directed towards people that hate Him, and has nothing to do with destroying earth. There is no scripture that states God will destroy the earth, however there are scriptures that states God will pour His wrath on evildoers who dwell on earth. You have to close your flesh eyes and open your spiritual. Look at what's going on spiritually in the world. People in this world are trying to make right wrong and wrong right.
The word destroy(phtheirō) is translated as corruption and is referencing spiritual corruption on earth. What did Paul tell us below......
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Strong's Concordance(Destroy)G1311
Root Word (Etymology)G5351
1) to corrupt, to destroy
a) in the opinion of the Jews, the temple was corrupted or "destroyed" when anyone defiled or in the slightest degree damaged anything in it, or if its guardians neglected their duties
b) to lead away a Christian church from that state of knowledge and holiness in which it ought to abide
c) to be destroyed, to perish
d) in an ethical sense, to corrupt, deprave
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5351&t=KJV
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