bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
It is not God's law liar, it's a law that was made by man to control men.
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Guess who's going to get it first.........
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It is not God's law liar, it's a law that was made by man to control men.
ROYAL BLUE
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What did I lie about?
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
ToPdOg
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I read something very interesting today. It was a speech that George Bush gave in 2003.
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
June 26, 2003
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT
United Nations International Day in Support of Victims of Torture
Today, on the United Nations International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, the United States declares its strong solidarity with torture victims across the world. Torture anywhere is an affront to human dignity everywhere. We are committed to building a world where human rights are respected and protected by the rule of law.
Freedom from torture is an inalienable human right. The Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment, ratified by the United States and more than 130 other countries since 1984, forbids governments from deliberately inflicting severe physical or mental pain or suffering on those within their custody or control. Yet torture continues to be practiced around the world by rogue regimes whose cruel methods match their determination to crush the human spirit. Beating, burning, rape, and electric shock are some of the grisly tools such regimes use to terrorize their own citizens. These despicable crimes cannot be tolerated by a world committed to justice....
The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment. I call on all nations to speak out against torture in all its forms and to make ending torture an essential part of their diplomacy. I further urge governments to join America and others in supporting torture victims' treatment centers, contributing to the UN Fund for the Victims of Torture, and supporting the efforts of non-governmental organizations to end torture and assist its victims.
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Here are links to the full article. You can also google the bolded part of the post, and you'll get a ton of links.
http://italy.usembassy.gov/viewer/article.asp?article=/file2003_06/alia/A3062613.htm
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/04/22/memories.aspx
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
June 26, 2003
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT
United Nations International Day in Support of Victims of Torture
Today, on the United Nations International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, the United States declares its strong solidarity with torture victims across the world. Torture anywhere is an affront to human dignity everywhere. We are committed to building a world where human rights are respected and protected by the rule of law.
Freedom from torture is an inalienable human right. The Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment, ratified by the United States and more than 130 other countries since 1984, forbids governments from deliberately inflicting severe physical or mental pain or suffering on those within their custody or control. Yet torture continues to be practiced around the world by rogue regimes whose cruel methods match their determination to crush the human spirit. Beating, burning, rape, and electric shock are some of the grisly tools such regimes use to terrorize their own citizens. These despicable crimes cannot be tolerated by a world committed to justice....
The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment. I call on all nations to speak out against torture in all its forms and to make ending torture an essential part of their diplomacy. I further urge governments to join America and others in supporting torture victims' treatment centers, contributing to the UN Fund for the Victims of Torture, and supporting the efforts of non-governmental organizations to end torture and assist its victims.
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Here are links to the full article. You can also google the bolded part of the post, and you'll get a ton of links.
http://italy.usembassy.gov/viewer/article.asp?article=/file2003_06/alia/A3062613.htm
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/04/22/memories.aspx
JayRob
TigaPaw
Since ALL scripture is supposedly inspired, God commands the parents of EVERY son and daughter who mock them, to take them to the center of the city and stone them all to death?:lol:
I don't see anyone being stoned. Folks continue to use scripture conveniently to their advantage. According to RB's scripture, we should have a lot of dead children due to stonings.
ROYAL BLUE
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No, according to God's word..........
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
I'm inspired to sing a song everyday that doesn't make me a singer nor does it mean i can sing. People that intentionally misrepresent God's word or things to be God's word will be the first to bust hell wide open.
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
So why aren't you out there stoning children and carrying out God's word since you're such a devote Christian? At least that'll do something with all the time you seem to have over here.
ROYAL BLUE
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.......because that's not the law of the land. God stated we should obey the law of the land, and there is not one law in our land that states we should stone children.
Having said that, there are laws that state "MURDER" is wrong, and if you murder, then you are subject to the death penalty. I'm the type of Christian that believe if a man rapes and murder, and there are witnesses/evidence, then his azz should be sentenced to death within the same week. The grieving next of kin should have the right to avenge the blood of the innocent.
Bluedog, what would you do if a man raped and murdered your daughter?
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
And what should the families of those that have been MURDER by Christian men like you (KKK) have the right to do when it's found out that a bunch of lying S.O.B.s took the life of an innocent man?
JayRob
TigaPaw
Come on RB, quit straddling the fence. Quit using man as an excuse not to obey God.:lol:
God said to stone 'em, but you say man told you not to stone 'em. Who do you give your allegiance to, God or man? If you refuse to stone 'em, you're flat out disobeying God.
ROYAL BLUE
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......and if you disobey the law of the land you're disobeying God. What's your point?
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
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ROYAL BLUE
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Bluedog, what would you do if a man raped and murdered your daughter?
...........still waiting.:scared:
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
No you're not waiting you're doing what hypocrites do. You're trying to divert so you won't have to address the fact that you're a liar and blasphemer about God's law.
That's what's the conversation is about.
ROYAL BLUE
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..........I'll leave out the murder.
What would you do if the doctor told you your daughters vagina, anus, and cervix is severely damaged and she'll never be able to have kids? What would you do if your daughter has nightmares almost every night, and is thinking about killing herself? What would you do if the man who raped your daughter walks away free because he has mental issues, and the courts determine he shouldn't be held liable for rape?
MikeBigg
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Since you chose to go Old Testament Scripture, check out what was said in the Book of Isiah (which comes AFTER Exodus):
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
JayRob
TigaPaw
You know what my point is. Didn't somebody say "it's better to obey God rather than man?" (Acts 5:29) - "But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men."
There's your proof. God says to stone the little tyrants, so why don't you do it? If you don't do it, that's going against the word of God. Peter just told you what to do.
MikeBigg
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Don't even try to go there... you know very well that Christ was not talking about the judgement of man but of God in Heaven. Notice the key word "the" before judgement. Not "a" judgement, but the judgement of God, the Righteous Judge.
Christ was not an advocate of the Death Penalty...perhaps you missed reading or don't remember the instance where he said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
MikeBigg
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First of all torture is wrong... period. And as for what he did to our soldiers, I can't find him guilty at all. You do realize that these soldiers were being sent into a war zone to commit war acts against the enemy. Regardless of how you and I may feel about the bravery of these soldiers, to this man they are the enemy. He sees them on a war vessel headed to his region for the purposes of war and not peace.
Attacking a military installation (not including hospitals), military equipment, etc is not terrorism, it is an act of war. If this was a non-military vessel or any type then it would be an act of terrorism. Blowing up the World Trade Center was an act of Terrorism... Attacking the Pentagon was an Act of War. I was not happy with either one, but I understand the difference.
Let's flip the script... If the ship of some other nation was docked in a USA port with soldiers taking a break from their war on the USA or those who were fighting on our behalf against what they deem as an attack, and their weapons and resources for war were so much greater than ours...what would you do? Would you be considered a terrorist or a soldier fighting for what you believe in and your liberation?
Understand me good... I want us to seek and capture Bin Ladin and bring him to crime for his war crimes and the bombing of the World Trade Center and other civilian locations. This man that was released was charged with bombing a military ship...that isn't terrorism. I hate it for the family and I'm sure they feel that a killer is being let to go free...but in this instance the man was acting as a soldier and not a terrorist. Obama was legally correct in releasing him for a prison meant to hold people involved in Terrorist activity.
ROYAL BLUE
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.........he certainly did, and God also told the kings of Israel not to have more than one wife, but David and others had several wives. The point is we all sin and we all choose which sins we commit. I may not be strong enough to kill my own flesh and blood, but I have no problem supporting the death penalty of a murderer or rapist; this includes family. If my son or daughter were to ever murder someone, I would have no problem of being in support of the death penalty.
Secondly, I support the entire word of God and you will never see me attack God's law the way you do. I may sin everyday, but I have enough sense to know not to rip the butt hole of a little boy or girl, and I have enough sense to know not to strangle the throat of a little girl death. Those who do these things deserve to die.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Dude, I have no reason to attack any laws. I state my opinion, supported by facts and leave it at that.
Now even if a son or daughter ever committed a murder, I would hope that they wouldn't get the death penalty and I would fight for them not to get it. You and I differ there.
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bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
Is this what happen to your child, for you to continue to use such ugly and vulgar description for an example?
Or are you just sick enough to think by doing so you'll win someone to your point of view?
I'll ask you again...
ROYAL BLUE
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No, this is what happen to little girls and boys throughout the world. I just choose to acknowledge the evil that happens to them, and choose not to feel sorry for a rapist or murderer on death row.
If my questions are more than you can handle, then let me know. I just thought you were man enough to answer them.....that's all.
ROYAL BLUE
New Member
Yes, we differ, but I too have a good reason and plenty of facts as to why I support the death penalty. What makes a son or daughter more valuable than the person they murdered?
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
No what you chose to do is to continue to show just how mentality disturb you really are.
This conversation was about one thing and and one thing only and this "WHAT YOUR POSITION ON THE DEATH PENALTY IS".
Only a mentally ill/deranged person would think they would have to be so ugly, vulgar, and descriptive to try and win their position and I would appreciate it if you leave my children out of your damn mouth when it comes to your morbid descriptions, say/use me or any adult your sick mind feel you need to but leave my children out of you fvcking mouth.
Now I'll ask you again....
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ROYAL BLUE
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If Christ was not an advocate for the Death Penalty, then that would mean He was against God's law. If that be the case, then the verse below would make Christ a hypocrite because he boldly stated He's for all of God's law. How can Christ fulfil the law and be against the Death Penalty at the same time?
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
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