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America 'Moves Towards Abandonment of Israel'
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ROYAL BLUE
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......and you do know that Israel and Judah went whoring after false gods, turned their back on God, worshiped false gods, raped, murdered, stole, had many slaves, servants, fornicated, prostituted, committed adultery, incest, and etc. It sounds like you're talking about the same group of people in the bible. The same things you criticize the Christian nations for doing were done by the same God fearing people in the bible. Am I lying about the house of Judah and Israel, or am I telling the truth? Why are you acting as if the two houses walked a perfect walk with God when the bible clearly states they were a hard headed people? Did God not sell both houses into slavery SEVERAL TIMES" to correct them from their evil sins?
What you and many fail to understand is that God's people are sinners just like everyone else in the world, however God has rules for those who follow Him, and if we continue to go astray, He will be there to drop the hammer on His people. You should read about the sins of both houses to see why God sold His own people into slavery "SEVERAL TIMES". If God would sell His chosen people, then why wouldn't He sell any other race into slavery, and what would make our race more important than the house of Judah and Israel? I'll point you in the right direction below........
Judges 2:14 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies.
Judges 3:8 Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushan-rishathaim eight years.
Judges 4:2 And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.
Judges 10:7 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hands of the Philistines, and into the hands of the children of Ammon.
1 Samuel 12:9 And when they forgat the LORD their God, he sold them into the hand of Sisera, captain of the host of Hazor, and into the hand of the Philistines, and into the hand of the king of Moab, and they fought against them.
ROYAL BLUE
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.....and I see you still continue to avoid answering my questions; it's ok to say you don't know. Let me say this again for those who can't recognize the blessings of God. Look at the most blessed and powerful nations on earth today, and you'll be able to identify God's people. Why go back into history when you can see it with your own eyes. Those nations who call themselves Christians are more blessed than nations who deny Christianity. Do the Christian nations protect the tiny nation of Israel, or does the tiny nation of Israel protect the Christian nations?
Do you believe God, or do you believe man because it appears that you're doing everything you can to discredit God's word? Is this true?
JayRob
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Dude, all I can give is evidence and common sense evidence to support it. All you can give is what you read without evidence from folks who discount actual archaeological, biological and common sense evidence.
Doesn't scripture command you to "prove all things"? Yes.
By claiming that the U.S. got it's riches due to God, you discredit your own creator, the being whose supposed to be loving and kind.
You're saying that this God helped this nation be blessed by enslaving more than 10 million innocent bodies; this same God CONTINUES to sanction the raping, pillaging, killing of not just men, but women and babies as well. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
You knowingly or unknowingly make your own God look like an insecure, heinous and terrible monster who loves to see other humans suffer just so his will is done.
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JayRob
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Still no answer?....
ROYAL BLUE
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JayRob, you know I didn't discredit God's word because I take scripture from the word and post it for all to see. All knowledge, wisdom, and understanding comes from God......not man. Every talent you have was given as a gift from God. I'm a Christian and an American, and I haven't done any of these terrible things you claim this country is about; neither have the majority of Americans.
IMO, Christianity upsets you very much and you hate it with a passion. IMO, you refuse Christianity because you think it's the white man's religion. Brother, Jesus is the Son of God and I invite you to join the greatest brotherhood the world has ever seen. Let Christ into your life and receive the blessings of God. A life without God is an empty and lonely life. Seriously, consider giving your life to Christ, and let Him touch you as He's touched those that follow Him. I'll be praying for you JayRob because God loves you, and I love you as well.
ROYAL BLUE
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3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
JayRob
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JayRob, you know I didn't discredit God's word because I take scripture from the word and post it for all to see. All knowledge, wisdom, and understanding comes from God......not man. Every talent you have was given as a gift from God. I'm a Christian and an American, and I haven't done any of these terrible things you claim this country is about; neither have the majority of Americans.
IMO, Christianity upsets you very much and you hate it with a passion. IMO, you refuse Christianity because you think it's the white man's religion. Brother, Jesus is the Son of God and I invite you to join the greatest brotherhood the world has ever seen. Let Christ into your life and receive the blessings of God. A life without God is an empty and lonely life. Seriously, consider giving your life to Christ, and let Him touch you as He's touched those that follow Him. I'll be praying for you JayRob because God loves you, and I love you as well.
So now because I pointed out to you the inconsistencies of your beliefs, I'm now a hater of Christianity? Judge not that ye be not judged.
I don't hate Christianity, however I certainly don't allow religion to lead me by the nose and blindly believe everything I read, especially when it can't be proven.
It's like the Christian Church believing the world was flat, when Galileo was telling them all along that it was round. He had actual scientific proof, yet they still refused to believe him. All they had were beliefs, based on nothing.
I like facts. You can hold on to your beliefs. That's your right to do so.
You still didn't answer the Genesis questions. What's the holdup?
Attack Dog
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If you truly understand end time prophesy you would know that hypocricy is the devil's work and not God's. If you go back and study you will find that Jesus, in talking to the Jews who believed in him, blatantly told them who they REALLY were and who their father REALLY was. God is a compassionate God and he gives all of us, even big and little devils, the chance to repent. However, those chances will run out one day.
Attack Dog
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So who gave man the right to decide which books to put in the bible?
Who gave man the right to decide the order of the books?
Who gave man the right to not include the original followers of Jesus in the decision?
If each Christian country is "the protector of the faith" then why did they fight among themselves and why did the Pope side with Spain?
ROYAL BLUE
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No, there are no inconsistencies in my belief. I stand firm on what I believe because it's the truth, which is to say Christ.
JayRob, I didn't judge you and I clearly stated in my opinion(IMO).......
Science and the word of God go hand in hand. In fact, God talks about science a lot in Job 38; He even talks about dinosaurs in Job 40:15. Yes, there are Christians who in ignorance claim the earth is 6k years old when scientist state the earth is millions of years in age. This is true and it's well documented in Genesis and Peter. For example, it states in the beginning God created the heaven and earth.......period. God didn't say when He created it, but He did say that He created heaven and earth. Another great example would be Job 26:7, it documents that God hung the earth on nothing. Why is this a great verse? There were no pictures from space in that time, so how did they know the earth was hung on nothing? God told them it was hung on nothing. Once man was able to take pictures from space, it documented Job 26:7 to be a fact.
I answered your question in reference to Genesis, however you missed the answer. Go back and read the scripture I posted and pay special attention to what I highlighted; that's the answer and it will suffice.
If you like facts, then read the entire chapter of Job 38 and you'll get facts from God on a humans level. I can assure you that it'll be extremely hard for you to disagree with the facts in the Job 38.
I'm not going to push you into serving God, however you should know He's the closets relative you'll ever have and He loves you. Men come and go, but God is always there for you. I'll be praying for you and I love you with brotherly love.
ROYAL BLUE
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All of our rights come from God, and He alone allow these things to happen; just like He allowed the prophets to be persecuted and the Son of God crucified. There is a purpose for everything that's happening and God addresses this in His personal letter to all who will read and understand........the bible. If you still don't understand, then read the verses below for clarification.........
Jeremiah 2:13 "For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water."
Jeremiah 4:22 "For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish(STUPID) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge."
II Chronicles 7:14 "If My People, which are called by My name(CHRISTIANS), shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
ROYAL BLUE
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JayRob, there are a few verses that I must share with you because it's an eye opener in the way Christ treats other races. Pay close attention to the way Christ and the disciples treat the woman, and watch her response to Christ. My eyes always tear up after reading her response followed by Christ blessing the gentile woman.
I know it's off topic, however I felt moved to share this with you.
Matthew 15:21-28
I know it's off topic, however I felt moved to share this with you.
Matthew 15:21-28
JayRob
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No, there are no inconsistencies in my belief. I stand firm on what I believe because it's the truth, which is to say Christ.
RB, your posts are rife with inconsistencies. You still haven't proven how White folks from the U.S., Britain and Israel can be descendants of so-called ancient Israelites when there were NO White folks of great number in that part of the world to begin with. You simply point to verses that prove nothing about the biological makeup of the people involved.
JayRob, I didn't judge you and I clearly stated in my opinion(IMO).......
OK
Science and the word of God go hand in hand. In fact, God talks about science a lot in Job 38; He even talks about dinosaurs in Job 40:15.
Actually most scientists believe the Bible is copied from other literature which existed long before the Bible came into existence, so whatever Job wrote is believed to have been plagiarized information.
Remember that Moses supposedly didn't write the first five books until 2,000 years after Adam, and no one knows when Job was written.
Another great example would be Job 26:7, it documents that God hung the earth on nothing. Why is this a great verse? There were no pictures from space in that time, so how did they know the earth was hung on nothing? God told them it was hung on nothing. Once man was able to take pictures from space, it documented Job 26:7 to be a fact.
Refer to plagiarized statement above.
I answered your question in reference to Genesis, however you missed the answer. Go back and read the scripture I posted and pay special attention to what I highlighted; that's the answer and it will suffice.
So all scripture is inspired by God? If so, why are there dozens and dozens of contradictions in scripture?
For example:
--Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
--In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
--God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
--When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
--To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
--Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
--How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
--Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
--At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
There are many more contradictions, but you get the point.
If God inspired all those mistakes, then one has to wonder who REALLY wrote the Bible, because there are many, many more.
RB, your posts are rife with inconsistencies. You still haven't proven how White folks from the U.S., Britain and Israel can be descendants of so-called ancient Israelites when there were NO White folks of great number in that part of the world to begin with. You simply point to verses that prove nothing about the biological makeup of the people involved.
JayRob, I didn't judge you and I clearly stated in my opinion(IMO).......
OK
Science and the word of God go hand in hand. In fact, God talks about science a lot in Job 38; He even talks about dinosaurs in Job 40:15.
Actually most scientists believe the Bible is copied from other literature which existed long before the Bible came into existence, so whatever Job wrote is believed to have been plagiarized information.
Remember that Moses supposedly didn't write the first five books until 2,000 years after Adam, and no one knows when Job was written.
Another great example would be Job 26:7, it documents that God hung the earth on nothing. Why is this a great verse? There were no pictures from space in that time, so how did they know the earth was hung on nothing? God told them it was hung on nothing. Once man was able to take pictures from space, it documented Job 26:7 to be a fact.
Refer to plagiarized statement above.
I answered your question in reference to Genesis, however you missed the answer. Go back and read the scripture I posted and pay special attention to what I highlighted; that's the answer and it will suffice.
So all scripture is inspired by God? If so, why are there dozens and dozens of contradictions in scripture?
For example:
--Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
--In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
--God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
--When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
--To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
--Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
--How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
--Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
--At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
There are many more contradictions, but you get the point.
If God inspired all those mistakes, then one has to wonder who REALLY wrote the Bible, because there are many, many more.
JayRob
TigaPaw
I understand that RB, but supposedly that same "loving" God was the God of the Old Testament. Here are some of the many, many ways he supposedly treated and commanded his people to treat other people.....
--God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21–23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, and fetuses. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37–42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
--God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15–18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
--God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God kills all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
--God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41–49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them. (WOW!!):lol::shame:
--Genocide after genocide after genocide.
In Joshua 6:20–21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.”
In Deuteronomy 2:32–35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children, and plunder the country. In Deuteronomy 3:3–7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan.
In Numbers 31:7–18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1–9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites—men, women, children, infants, and their cattle—for something the Amalekites' ancestors had done 400 years ago.
--God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.
--God has 42 children mauled by bears.
In 2 Kings 2:23–24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to maul them.
--A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
In Judges 21:1–23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.
--Child sacrifice.
In Judges 11:30–39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.
--God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
In Judges 14:11–19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.
--God demands you kill your wife and children for worshipping other gods.
In Deuteronomy 13:6–10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.
--God kills a man for not impregnating his brother's wife.
In Genesis 38:9–10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother's wife.
--God threatens forced cannibalism.
In Leviticus 26:27–29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.
LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST.....
--The coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7–19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth's population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.
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RB, I'll be waiting on your excuses to justify why these deaths happened, mostly of innocent women and children who did nothing to no one, but were ordered to be killed.
A truly loving God would never act in such a way. This seems to be the works and writings of men, claiming that some God did all of this, but I don't believe that a loving Creator would act in such a barbaric way.
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Attack Dog
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RB,
God allows man to make choices, right or wrong, and to deal with the consquences of them.
This is going to be good.
God allows man to make choices, right or wrong, and to deal with the consquences of them.
This is going to be good.
ROYAL BLUE
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OK, I understand your concerns, and your main argument is there is no physical proof to support the bible that governs Christians. You also don't believe the bible is inspired by God, and if it was, then God wouldn't have told His people to kill so called "innocent" people. If you don't believe the whole bible is inspired by God, then how can you believe the killings in the bible actually took place, and can you prove these people were actually killed? Besides the babies being killed, can you prove the adults were innocent?
Also, you stated that you deal in facts, however people lie, and if that's true, then how can you prove your information to be true without lies, and you never witnessed it for yourself? The only truth you can document is the things you've seen with your eyes; everything else is just he said she said.
What's my point? Christianity is about "believing" Jesus is the Son of God and He paid the price for all men. We didn't have to see the flood, Moses part the red sea, God rain food from heaven, Christ perform the miracles and etc. to believe He's the Son of God. We felt His loving touch, warmth, and comfort He placed inside of us. I can't prove what others have experienced, nor can they prove what I have experienced, but what I tell you is a truth. God is real, and I've been chastised out of love, and I've been blessed out of love. I've never felt a greater love from a human being, nor has my wife been able to duplicate such a love. I just wish you could feel the joy and happiness I have inside.
As for proving that white folks are from the 10 lost tribes, it would do no good to document from the bible, if you don't believe the bible to be true. Only God can allow you to see hidden truth, but be it as it may. You're a brother to me, and I encourage you to "sincerely" try Him out for yourself. The first step is talking to Him and telling Him you love Him. I leave you with a few songs.......
For Every Mountain - Kurt Carr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udkZus321a4
Mississippi Mass Choir "God Gets The Glory"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S9GRnAjxiE
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