JSU/99
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Why do some of you blame the SWAC for...
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SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
03 and 04
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
This is one of the knuckle heads I speak of.
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Your kidding right.:noidea:
2003
Beat NC A@T who got rode like a pony at a childrens petting zoo in the playoff's.
Beat a 2-6 ALLEN and a 4-7 Lincoln.
2004
Got thumped by McNeese and beat a 5-6, D2 Texas College.
If you had said SU of 1997 or 1999, I would have let that pass cause ya'll played all FCS school's and won 10 games.
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SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
Flag on the muddafuggin play!!
~blows whistle~
How you going to question ME about 03 and 04 and I gave dude a pass on 99 when SU thumped JSU twice in 99? Are you serious? So based off your standards 99 wasn't a play-off fielding team for JSU, so when was the last time? Please don't say 97, when you all DID go at the graces of SU and still got whopped by SU. And since we are going by your standards add 96 to that... So when was the last time JSU fielded a playoff team since it had to be before 96?
Oh and JSU did make the play-offs by winning less than 10 games in 97, 95 (lost to AAMU not even in SWAC and FAMU), 90 and 89.. So where are you getting this from?
We pretty much stomped every one in 99 and put up 44 on GSU and won 12 games in 03 and you say "Not a Playoff team"?
Get real!
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Do you even know SU's schedule in 1997 and 1999 compared to 2003 and 2004?
Do you even understand what I said?
IN PLAIN ENGLISH.
SU HAD A PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAM IN 1997 AND 1999.
No freaking Allen's, Lincoln's, or Texas College's on the schedule.
Got dang.................:lol:
Understand before you throw a temper tantrum. :lol:
And pick that damm flag back up.
You just lost the review and a time out. :lmao:
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SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
Naw buddy, I wasn't charge with a time-out at all... After pointing what all you left out I was awarded an extra time out....:lol:
So when was the last play-off caliber JSU team?
Journalist
Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
Y'all need to quit this asinine isht?
Arguing over what team this and that...
We always quick to po'mouth/diss/discredit each other, no matter what. However, we slow as a mugg when it comes to figuring out proactive ways to improve the product and get things moving in the conference.
****walks away from the crustacean-filled barrel that this thread devolved to become***
sorry SOGgy, I understand your initial argument had merit.
Arguing over what team this and that...
We always quick to po'mouth/diss/discredit each other, no matter what. However, we slow as a mugg when it comes to figuring out proactive ways to improve the product and get things moving in the conference.
****walks away from the crustacean-filled barrel that this thread devolved to become***
sorry SOGgy, I understand your initial argument had merit.
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If the SCG wasn't in place, JSU probably would have went in 1999.
After that, it was throw it deep HUGHS.
7-4 was not going to get us in and then Bell.
Ain't had no reason to get better cause we could not even schedule OOC games because of the 9 game mandate and the SCG.
Remember.
We was locked in with Tenn St and only had 1 other date to play with from 2000 til 2007.
Prior to 1999, our OOC games was against teams like Howard, Tenn. St, Famu, Nichols, Northwestern, BCC, SFA, SCSU, Deleware ST, etc.
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JR
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Soggy, I don't think folks realize that they have to mandate that their own administrations stop going along with this. The SWAC office only does what the SWAC presidents say they can do. Rudy aint there no more. He was the last commish with some power. So if JSU or any other of the 7 schools who always point the fingers at SU, Gram and Bama State for our Classics.....it wasn't us who did this to you. It was your own President and the other presidents. Hell SU, Gram and Bama State done had changes in their adminstrations meaning newbie Presidents. So you would think the more Sr. Presidents at the other schools would have used that as the time to make changes. The SCG keeps us from the at large bid and frankly besides the Gram teams, a couple of the SU teams and the Bama State team that won the SCG.......there have not been any worthy SWAC team to play in the playoffs anyway. PV has their gripe this year.......so I would suggest their alums let their President know they don't like the SCG format and want to make the SWAC schools push for an auto bid.
I have not seen one President step up and say what is going on in the SWAC is fugged up. Only the folks on this board. So again go kick yall's Presidents door in and raise hell........by the way.........you better have some money to give when you go do that. Otherwise they are going to laugh your arse out of their offices. Until a bunch of money giving alums of our schools go to our admins and demand change.......you will continue to get what you get from the SWAC office because it is each of our Presidents who tell Duer Sharp or whomever the commish is what to do. He may suggest things to them. But I am sure he better have some ammo to back up his suggestion. All it is on this board is talk. Until you folks start breaking off your universities big arse cash or lead a movement of other alums like yourselves to do so. Then you will only have this board to come beyotch about it to. That includes my fellow alums as well. I already know what our admin will say if some SU folks told them they need to move the Classic. You better have more than the playoffs as the deciding factor. Money is the key at any level. Why you think the big boys don't want to give up the Bowl games. It aint really about a National Championship. That's the lie they hide behind. If it really was.......then they would have a playoff just like FCS.
Now that FCS is losing money with these playoffs.....they are even trying to spice it up and get more exposure. Anyway I am done with this always blaming the wrong folks. So I agree with SOG. Blame your own damn schools and blame yourselves and fellow alums for not bringing money to the table to help your schools.
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JR
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We were ranked in 03 Frat. That A&T win and the Grambling win was big. Remember A&T was ranked and so was Gram. Aint nothing to do with the rest of our schedule. In 04..........nah. We wouldn't have. Remember A&T had NFL caliber talent. The Deloatch kid and they had another kid that was legit. Just because they got beat in the 1st round of the playoffs don't mean they were not legit. They got an invite didn't they? SU was still getting love from the pollsters then.
Back to 97........SU already knew our fate. So no biggie. That's the thing. Gram and SU know the deal already. We aint crying about it. We also didn't ask for a SCG in 99. That was a Rudy idea that the Presidents bought into. We were content to go the Heritage Bowl. Let one of the rest of yall go to the playoffs if you got an at large bid. The flag should be thrown at the 1998 Council of Presidents who agreed in 99 with Rudy that there will be a SCG.
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JR
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O3 team was the last. They were legit. Before then I would say 99,97,95,93 teams all were playoff legit. 96 and 98 were good teams but not playoff level. 04 team was just good in the SWAC.
JR
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SOG, they don't understand that. They cry SWAC foul on this and blame all the wrong people. Go raise some money for your school and dangle it over your Prez's and ADs head and then they might listen and change their vote. Right now aint none of them listening to us because we aint delivering on nothing. They feel like Obama right now.......needing a bailout to help with expenses for all these sports we try to field.
The other thing is outside us on this board.......who is to say our fan base wants the playoffs. We know how our crowds show up when we play a non attractive other than HBCU game. We all have felt it. SU vs McNeese in 2004.
Wasn't packed house.
Something changed in the 2000s..........we would pack the house in Mumford when we played NW La State in the 90s. Hell I remember them having to roll out the bleachers for the end zone. I guess since it was the 1st game of the season it helped. We got a lot of issues at our schools and just saying it is the SWAC fault is totally wrong. And if some of these schools tried to leave they would fail miserably. Folks act their schools are rolling in dough. Where they going to go? Join a PWC conference........watch how fast your fanbase deserts you then. That's another topic right there.
"NOISE TALKA"
Mr. Hatedandloved
Play fair.... SU hasn't been to a championship since John Kerry was thinking about running for president.... come on....
MightyDog
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All I can say is AAMU brought some excitement to the SWAC. Do you all recall when we entered the SWAC you all did not know who we were. Just goes to show you how an unknown school had so much impact on the SWAC. Our present has been hard to take but we did ok for an unknown school. I personally know that we caused SWAC schools to refocus on their programs. As soon as we get a new President we will be back on track. Jennings told me he was charged with rewriting the SWAC by laws. Is anyone else familiar with this statement?
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Mr. Tiger
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There's one MAJOR problem. This argument goes back to the mid-1980s when Grambling, Southern and Alabama State decided to keep their scheduled games that conflicted with the expanded playoff system. Our automatic bid was stripped and SWAC athletic directors sought to bar the schools from SWAC championship honors for costing the conference its bid, but the school presidents tabled the vote. I bring this up to show you that while our school presidents are mostly to blame for the SWAC's current state, it was the decision of three schools that cost us the automatic bid and that's the reason the Bayou Classic and TDC get blamed.
JR
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Which in my opinion was a blatant disrespect for Coach Rob at that time. You would thought the NCAA would have wanted someone like him to participate. He was on record for years saying the BC would not move. They knew this. Like I said it didn't stop anyone from going but those 3. So it did no damage to any other SWAC school but us. JSU got to go every year they had a good team. So did Valley and Alcorn in 84. Gram went when the BC was rescheduled due to the LSU vs Tulane game a couple of times. Other than that you saw McNair get to go and showcase Alcorn.
Again the SCG is the issue. Get rid of it and then yall can go back to trying to be a ranked team high enough to get an at large bid. If anyone did any diservice to themselves in the 90s and 2000s is SU and Gram. SU won alot in the 90s and Gram has dominated the 2000s. JSU got their bids in the 90s when they had good teams just like Alcorn did with McNair.
Thats all folks are saying.......blame the right thing and the right people. And as much as the SWAC complained about its champion being sent to buctussel even when they had a 10-1 record in the 80s.....should show you how much 1-AA thought about us. They were still pissed that FAMU won that mug in their first year having the playoffs. But hey that is just my opinion.
JR
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And JSU shole has been tearing up the SWAC in the meantime. Yall shole done let that one SWAC SCG win go yall's head. Just be thankful AJ was over there trying to find a new job instead of recruiting at A&M, and the mess that both ASU's have had. You know better than this NT. This aint your 90s JSU teams you are fielding.
JayRob
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Exactly!! The automatic bid is the key to this equation. Even if a team's not ranked, we still had that automatic bid. That was taken away because of three schools.
If the automatic bid hadn't been taken away, perhaps the idea of an SCG would never have come to mind or fruition.
JR
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Don't get me wrong frat, I hated the 9 game mandate as well. All I am saying like SOG is saying that folks keep blaming 3 schools and those 2 games. If the other schools disagreed even back in the day when it was 8 schools it would have been a 5-3 vote and then now a 7 to 3 vote. That's all we are saying. Especially when all the 3 schools have had presidents come and go. You would think the others would use that as a time to say lets vote again. Rudy sold the Presidents on the SCG and they bought into it. When they fired him......they should have revisited the format and changed it then. But the problem is most of our administrators have no clue about sports. But they know we don't have alot of money in the bank to fund these sports programs. So they are not willing to invest in the playoffs at the expense of not making any money on it.
All our ADs need to do right now is try to schedule the best OOC schedule they can every year. That's all they can do. They have no power to decide on anything but that for the most part. Aint like our Presidents are letting our ADs and Coaches decide.......and to be honest, I don't even think all 10 coaches are interested in the playoffs. I know Pete don't care. He may have when he was younger. Maybe Comegy and Broadway since they are new to the SWAC. But hell Comegy never cared when he was at Tuskegee all that time. They don't participate in the D-2 playoffs do they? Never heard of them playing anything but that Pioneer Bowl in the post season.
I just think all this energy and conversation should be directed at your President and AD. Same goes for the rest of our schools. Ask them why they want get rid of the SCG. Ask them how much money they are getting from the SCG. Those are the people who need to be held accountable. But I doubt they give folks the time of day if you can't prove the upside money wise of participating in the playoffs. You better have a good plan or a check in hand. LOL.
97JSULEGEND
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JR your boy gone say that the 99 JSU team was not playoff material when we were and so was SU. Since then you guys have not fielded a team that would contend in the playoffs. Winning against sorry DII teams and beating one OCC FCS team does not make that team world beaters.
It took us seven years to get back to a championship and 10 to win one. Then we repeated. Do you really think AA&M and ASU can out recruit JSU...LOL ASU had to cheat to get ahead and AA&M started winning when we hired Bell. So that argument sucks arse. It took a down JSU for them to get shine.
Now SU aint sniffed a title 2004 which is 5 years and counting. So pump your brakes. Gram and PV running the West and looking at whats returning and your recruiting so far,year 6 and 7 are fast approaching.
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#1) Back then when it could have been a 5-3 vote, everybody fully expected all school's to modify their end of season games to comply with the playoff's.
JSU did it and GRAM went 1 or 2 times before the BC was made a permanent fixture on the date it is now.
Bamma State was not even in the SWAC yet so their compliance was an after thought.
The SWAC as a whole never even questioned the Turkey Day Classic.
As long as JSU or Alcorn could go, everything was gravey to them.
#2) As for the SCG and money, that's like trying to find BIGFOOT.:lol:
Question's have been asked for year's and NOBODY has given an answer yet.
As for JSU's President voting for it, what difference would it make if he voted against it with 5 teams from the SWAC now playing the week or weekend of the start of the playoff's.
JSU and Alcorn did what we needed to do to be compliant with the playoff's by actually MOVING our game back a week.
Nobody else did or even made the effort to try.
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