If Jesus Was Found To Be Black?.......
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PVSAX99
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"Hair of wool...Skin of bronze"...yep....sounds like the characteristics of a black person to me.
"Out of eternal 'darkness', let there be light..."
So if I could be so bold to imagine, God must be black too.
But spiritual faith should have no room for racial prejudice...
So if folks choose to denounce their beliefs over something as simple as the color of one's skin, then they weren't real believers to begin with.
"Out of eternal 'darkness', let there be light..."
So if I could be so bold to imagine, God must be black too.
But spiritual faith should have no room for racial prejudice...
So if folks choose to denounce their beliefs over something as simple as the color of one's skin, then they weren't real believers to begin with.
JayRob
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Since Sunday is the most divided day of the week when it comes to Black/White folks interacting with one another, race is playing a major role in religion.
dacontinent
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This is the passage that I preached from today.
Gal 3:21-29
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed , and heirs according to the promise.
Gal 3:21-29
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed , and heirs according to the promise.
GLIONGIRL 1
GOLDEN LION FOR LIFE
he is black. White people have conditioned black people in this country to accept their white jesus as their saviour. How many black churches have a white jesus with blonde hair and blue eyes hanging on the wall??
MikeBigg
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Race plays a part in religion because religion is of man... However, it should have no place in Christianity because that is a spiritual relationship with Christ who NEVER made race an issue in his teachings. Remember John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believed in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life"
Whosoever is all inclusive for anyone that Believes in him!
JayRob
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Christianity itself is guilty of not being an all-inclusive religion. If you don't believe in Jesus, you can't be a Christian.:emlaugh:
MikeBigg
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That's based on those who wear the self assigned "label" of Christian. Those who believe in Jesus understand that the goal of every believer is to gain another believer. As such we don't forsake or caste out anyone, even those who are of another faith, are agnostic, or even atheist and extend to them the right hand of fellowship.
usm
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I suppose there would be some arguing and denial among the shallow, but really who cares if Jesus was found to be black? Buddha and Confucius were Asian, Mohammed and Zarathustra were Arab, so what does it matter if Jesus is black or white. All those guys said the same thing anyway; clearly racial lines don't impose on the wisdom of their teachings....
Oh I forgot, it's not about the teachings, it's about who is right and who is wrong...
Oh I forgot, it's not about the teachings, it's about who is right and who is wrong...
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
That's all fine and dany for good friday and holy sunday but the reality is this is what's been taught down the hundreds of years in this country
and in my humble opinion to avoid or ignore speaking on that fact is the equivalent of helping to support the lie.
Doesn't the bible tells us to speak the whole truth?
MikeBigg
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of course that picture is a lie and continues to be told... if Joseph could hide the infant Jesus in Egypt that tells me that Christ could not have been blond.
It's mostly the Anglo-Americans who have distorted the true image of Jesus... in Europe, there have been paintings and Shrines dedicated to the Black Madonna and Baby Jesus that shows them as people of color.
http://www.google.com/search?q=blac...0J&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11
It's mostly the Anglo-Americans who have distorted the true image of Jesus... in Europe, there have been paintings and Shrines dedicated to the Black Madonna and Baby Jesus that shows them as people of color.
http://www.google.com/search?q=blac...0J&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11
dacontinent
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That's all fine and dany for good friday and holy sunday but the reality is this is what's been taught down the hundreds of years in this country
and in my humble opinion to avoid or ignore speaking on that fact is the equivalent of helping to support the lie.
Doesn't the bible tells us to speak the whole truth?
I have seen dipictions of both what I will call a Caucasian Jesus (far more) and a Negro Jesus. I have seen a number of Middle Eastern Jesus as well. What are all of these? They are artist renderings. We can draw him any way we want him to be depicted.
We KNOW that there are Jews whose skin pigments and hair textures vary as widely as Caucasians and Negroes in the USA. As MikeBigg pointed out, the family of Jesus fit in with the Egyptians.
I was never taught that Jesus was Black or White - NEVER. Not by AME, Church Of God, COGIC, Southern Baptist, nor Pentecostal Holiness. I have never been asked to draw a picture of Jesus - not in "the card class" nor any time since. The Scriptures nor the historians (prominently Philo and Josephus) never address it. We can really find no evidence of it having mattered during His earthly existence. We also know that the "...Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians,..." varied in skin color as much as we do today and were all in Jerusalem for the first Pentecost after his Resurrection and constituted the base of the first church - and race did not matter.
Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, wrote this of himself:
Phil 3:1-15
3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee ;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee ;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
So, he was clear that things like this could come up and he warned us against them. Consequently, I preach that. He also wrote these:
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free ; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free ; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
and
Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed , and heirs according to the promise.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed , and heirs according to the promise.
and
Col 3:9-15
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian , Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian , Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Those classical pictures of Jesus as a Euro are only lies as they are "accepted" as being authentic...as are the ones depicting Him as an African. Everyone with a brain, the ability to read, and possessing a concept of centuries knows that there have been NO portraits presented of persons who lived during that time. So, when it comes to such pictures, we simply address it with the truth: none of us has a clue; we will find out when we see Him...not that it will matter.
The folks in our congregation are Caucasian, African-American, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Haitian, Jamaican, Nicaraguan, Venezuelan, Columbian, and Honduran. They understand that the truth about Christ will not allow for separation by race, lineage, nationality, economics, etc. I teach Christ like banks teach tellers: recognize the authentic so identifying the counterfeit is really simple.
The Jamaican guy (not a member of our church) who painted the mural of Christ that stretches the entire breadth of our sanctuary painted Him ... Middle Eastern ... with no input from anyone.
Bane
The Vilian
He is a Jew!!! I think that is pretty clear in the scripture.
buckwheat
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It's funny that you say that! I was just thinking about this the other day! Man, they would kill themselves! Black President and a Black Jesus! They could not handle that!
buckwheat
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That's Willie the Wino!
Ned the wino?
JayRob
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Original statues of Buddha show him to be of Negroid stock with the wide nose, thick lips and nappy hair. These are typical features of Black people.
Kristna means "the Black One", and it's been said that Christianity was derived primarily from Hinduism.
As far as color and White people are concerned, due to racism being so ingrained in the psyche of White folks, that would shake MOST of them up tremendously.
It would take a mental and psychological overhaul going back multiple generations for most White people to accept Jesus if he was Black.
In all actuality, most....if not all foreign "gods" are portrayed as being of color.
The Christian religion is the ONLY religion which portray their "god" as being White.
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Da Slim One
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Seriously why is this even a discussion? Jesus was born to a Jew. He was neither black nor white. Egyptians are people of color, yes. However Egyptians tend to be more like other people of the Mediterranien and Middle East area. That is why they were able to hide amongst the Egyptians.
I think the Muslims did it right by not allowing picture to be drawn of Muhammed. Doing so only incites anger because the artist will give him features that HE identifies with. Thus you get White Jesus with flowing hair and Black Jesus with the mini fro.
I think the Muslims did it right by not allowing picture to be drawn of Muhammed. Doing so only incites anger because the artist will give him features that HE identifies with. Thus you get White Jesus with flowing hair and Black Jesus with the mini fro.
dacontinent
Preacher
Correct.
buckwheat
Well-Known Member
:lol:
Willie, Ned, it's all the same!
Willie, Ned, it's all the same!
MikeBigg
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The Egyptians you are describing are ther results of interracial mixing of the Mediterranean, Arabic, and Negroid ancestry. Remember Anwar Sadat... he looked like a Black Baptist Deacon.
Nor compare him to former Ethiopian Ruler Haile Selassie who traces his lineage to Solomon and Queen Sheba and was referred to (same as Christ) as The Lion of Judah (he, as was Christ, is a descendent from the Tribe of Judah...one of the 12 sons of Israel also known as Jacob).
Can you say... Black Men!!!! :lol:
dacontinent
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