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Kerry Lashes Out at Republican Criticisms

By NEDRA PICKLER
The Associated Press
Friday, April 4, 2003; 5:31 PM

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry lashed out at top congressional Republicans on Friday after they assailed him for saying the United States, like Iraq, needs a regime change.
"The Republicans have tried to make a practice of attacking anybody who speaks out strongly by questioning their patriotism," the Massachusetts senator said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "I refuse to have my patriotism or right to speak out questioned. I fought for and earned the right to express my views in this country."
Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War veteran, backed a congressional resolution last fall giving President Bush the authority to use force to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, but he repeatedly has criticized the president for failing to give diplomacy more time.
In a speech Wednesday in Peterborough, N.H., Kerry said Bush so alienated allies prior to the U.S.-led war against Iraq that only a new president can rebuild damaged relationships with other countries.
"What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States," Kerry said.
Several leading Republicans said Kerry's comments were inappropriate with U.S. troops fighting in Iraq. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the statement amounted to "petty, partisan insults launched solely for personal political gain."
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, called Kerry's words "desperate and inappropriate." Said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., "Once this war is over, there will be plenty of time for the next election."
Kerry dismissed the attacks, telling an Atlanta political gathering Thursday that patriotism is not mutually exclusive with questioning the war. One day later, he delivered an even sharper rebuke to the GOP complaints.
"If they want to pick a fight, they've picked a fight with the wrong guy," Kerry said in a telephone interview.
The lawmaker said this round of charges and countercharges is not the first time Republicans have made a "phony issue of patriotism." He cited last year's campaign against former Georgia Democratic Sen. Max Cleland, who lost both legs and an arm in the Vietnam War.
As part of a broader GOP campaign, Bush and other Republicans criticized Senate Democrats for holding up legislation to create a Department of Homeland Security over a labor provision, suggesting that the delay reflected weakness on national security. Republican Saxby Chambliss unseated the first-term Cleland in the November elections.
"I watched what they did to Max Cleland last year," Kerry said. "Shame on them for doing it then and shame on them for trying to do it now."
Kerry also mentioned recent GOP criticism of Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., who said Bush's diplomatic efforts had failed "miserably" because he didn't secure a U.N. resolution for the war.
Following a speech to the New York State United Teachers convention in Washington, Kerry said, "I'm not going to let the likes of Tom DeLay question my patriotism, which I fought for and bled for in order to have the right to speak out."
Neither Hastert, Frist nor DeLay served in the military. In response to Kerry, DeLay spokesman Jonathan Grella said, "There's a difference between loving your country and leading it. Demanding regime change in America isn't unpatriotic - it's vile."
Kerry said Republicans have no right to criticize him when they are cutting funds to veterans hospitals.
Kerry's comments come on the eve of a trip to Iowa, where rival Howard Dean's strong anti-war stance has played well with the state's Democrats. Dean also has been critical of Bush and Kerry, suggesting that the senator waffled in his position on the Iraq war.
Dean also addressed the New York Teachers group Friday and said although he probably would not have used the words that Kerry did, "I have not criticized Senator Kerry for that, nor am I going to.
"It certainly would be unusual for me to line up with Tom DeLay, and I don't intend to start now," said the former Vermont governor.
Kerry's arrival on Sunday in Iowa also comes as another presidential primary rival, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, takes part in a town-hall meeting.
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Associated Press Writer Mike Glover in Des Moines, Iowa, contributed to this report.
? 2003 The Associated Press
 
For one thing the republicans cannot give Kerry a lesson on patriotism. So they can stop right there when it come to that.

The republicans in Congress are having a bad memory or a double standard on criticizing a president during a conflict.

GOP hypocrisy in attacks upon Daschle
 

Kerry,,, DASCHEL???!!

The Dems have got to have better options than these two is all I will say. :tdown: (or :tup: as gorilla Iraqi would put it)
 
Re: Kerry,,, DASCHEL???!!

Originally posted by Bartram
The Dems have got to have better options than these two is all I will say. :tdown: (or :tup: as gorilla Iraqi would put it)

So is Bush above criticism? Should the dems not criticize Bush?
 
Re: Re: Kerry,,, DASCHEL???!!

Originally posted by EB


So is Bush above criticism? Should the dems not criticize Bush?

Nobody is above criticism. It's just that the demo's have come off looking weak for top to bottom throughout this whole process. The choices I have to vote for in the demo presidential field is a joke. If the Kerry's and Daschle's are the best thing the demo's have to offer, then get ready for people like bush to be leading this country for years to come. The day's of putting bland, pc puppets like Al Gore out front won't work either. He didn't win his own state in the last election.:smh:
 
Re: Re: Re: Kerry,,, DASCHEL???!!

Originally posted by jstate83


Nobody is above criticism. It's just that the demo's have come off looking weak for top to bottom throughout this whole process. The choices I have to vote for in the demo presidential field is a joke. If the Kerry's and Daschle's are the best thing the demo's have to offer, then get ready for people like bush to be leading this country for years to come. The day's of putting bland, pc puppets like Al Gore out front won't work either. He didn't win his own state in the last election.:smh:

Indeed, I agree that the too many of the dems have not looked strong. Frankly, the democratic leadership in the Congress has looked very weak. But someone will have to take on Bush if they are to win in 2004. In my mind they need to get their own, democratic voters to the polls. Being weak will not cut it. Many democratic voters are frustrated by the like of spine that the dems have shown.

As for Kerry, a Vietnam veteran, some think he will show some spine and take on Bush though he voted for the war resolution. But for Daschle some are asking where was he back during the fall (too little too late for some). He sure did not say much against Bush back then.

Who ever the dems choose, the party had better hope that the campaigners are better than the ones Al Gore had.
 
This is related to my last post. Kerry is taking heat for his comments. But he is geting a lot of support. Here are some of the supportive messages that he has received. This came from his page at Congress.org.

In the last message here, note that Evan Byah is a member of the Democratic Leadership Council while Julia Carson is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

To:
Sen. John Kerry

April 7, 2003

Senator Kerry, keep up the good word on our Commander and Thief. But like the killing going on in Iraq, you must be relentless in your attack on the President. Also, please have some other democratic leaders and politicians start lobbing the verbal bombs. We have to take back this country from the right-wing religious creeps before the rest of the world finally gets the nerve to do a preemptive strike against the U.S. If we were truly fighting for ?freedom? we would really want the Bush Regime to go. Extremists are bad, whether Christian or Muslim.

The lives spent on both sides of this Iragi occupation and the obscene amount of money spent on war toys and not for social programs or education of the U.S. citizens is criminal. I?ve heard we spend more on war toys then the next 5 to 15 countries combined, this is insane? HAVE THE DEMOCRATS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, PLEASE!

Portland , OR
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April 8, 2003

Dear Senator Kerry,
I can only hope that others will have the courage to speak out about President Bush and his administration's handling of foreign policy during these past few months. The fact that you had the guts to say we needed a regime change here gives me hope that real change is possible for this country. Change that uses the great resources we have to feed, house, provide medical care and educate every citizen at a level that would be acceptable for the most discriminating person.
Please continue to be a voice for the many who feel the current administration has failed not just this country but the world.

Oakland , CA
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April 7, 2003

Dear Senator Kerry,

Regarding your recent speech:

" CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP) - Presidential candidate John Kerry said Monday that democracy affords rival Democrats the right to criticize President Bush even with the nation at war."

My response, is Kudos to a Democrat with backbone. It is about time Democrats stood up to this President. To follow the first amendment and criticize the "leader" is no crime and to not criticize him is fear. Thank goodness you are critical. I live in Indiana and have a wonderful Democrat congresswoman, Julia Carson, but a weak Senator in Evan Bayh. Ms. Carson is a model Democrat.

Please continue your remarks about the Presidential policy and ignore the expected Republican response and packages of insults. You ara a true American. I will vote for you, Howard Dean or any other Democrat with backbone and a loud voice.

Indianapolis , IN
 
Kerry is a great guy. Last year when the AIDS bill needed backing he stepped up. When student org came to his office to ask about education funding he stepped up. He has my vote when he runs for office. :tup:
 
kerry.

He's a nice guy, but the guy is basically pissing into the wind. Nothing is going right for Dems. This next election is going to be UUUUUUUUUGLY for Dems unless Bush gets caught screwing (or kissing, or anything unacceptable for married folk to do dat the Dems can blast him for like the Reps did Clinton) somebody, anybody, other than that wife of his.. :saw:
 
Re: kerry.

Originally posted by Bartram
He's a nice guy, but the guy is basically pissing into the wind. Nothing is going right for Dems. This next election is going to be UUUUUUUUUGLY for Dems unless Bush gets caught screwing (or kissing, or anything unacceptable for married folk to do dat the Dems can blast him for like the Reps did Clinton) somebody, anybody, other than that wife of his.. :saw:

You said it...

You can't lie about getting a blow job but you can lie about a war............ummmmmmmmmmm

And for the Record Kerry will take it. He is a vet in the Vietnam War a war that dubbya "got out of" and Kerry has the backing of alot of vets and after bush what pulled on Max Cleland... Many vets are pissed. How do you fix your mouth to say a man who lost both legs and an arm in the Vietnam War is unpatriotic

:uzi: :kaioken: :uzi: :kaioken: :uzi: :kaioken:
 
Re: Re: kerry.

Originally posted by JSU*Toi


You said it...

You can't lie about getting a blow job but you can lie about a war............ummmmmmmmmmm

And for the Record Kerry will take it. He is a vet in the Vietnam War a war that dubbya "got out of" and Kerry has the backing of alot of vets and after bush what pulled on Max Cleland... Many vets are pissed. How do you fix your mouth to say a man who lost both legs and an arm in the Vietnam War is unpatriotic

:uzi: :kaioken: :uzi: :kaioken: :uzi: :kaioken:

I am cosigning this.

This thought of not criticizing Bush has to stop. This new McCarthysm is unacceptable. Or said another way, Joseph McCarthy must be smiling in his grave right now. Clinton never had it this good.

Consider this. It is not the republican voters that should worry the dems the most. It is the democratic voters. Many democratic voters are frustrated by the lack of spine that the democratic politicians have shown. (Too many democratic politicians are trying to act like republicans.) The elections of 2002 were a perfect example. A lot of dems did not show up at the polls. Or I could say it this way. If I was a republican, I would vote for a real one instead of a fake one.

Though a lot of people who may vote democratic disagree with Kerry's vote for the resolution to use force against Iraq, they are glad that fighting back against Bush. Too many dems are afraid to do that. If the democrats do not do fight back, it maybe their voters who will be frustrated and fail to show up at the polls in 2004.

As for Max Cleland, I still have not gotten over that. I guess the republicans feel that they can get away with anything. A man loses three limbs in a foreign country, yet his patriotism is questioned because he does not agree with Bush 100%. Toi is correct. A lot of vets will not forget it.

As for if Bush will win, let's not forget 1991. I said that the senior Bush was a guaranteed a another term. I was wrong. He lost in 1992. I have since learned my lesson.
 
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