Alabama State Takes East Lead; Bulldogs Out Of The Picture


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Alabama State Takes East Lead; Bulldogs Out Of The Picture

http://www.swac.org/03-04/football/reports/wk12recap.htm

November 16, 2003

Alabama State vaults to the lead of the SWAC East division race with their win over Miss. Valley State and Alcorn State?s win over Alabama A&M. Although Alcorn State and Alabama State are tied with a 4-2 record, Alabama State hold the first tie-breaker over Alcorn State by virtue of their victory over the Braves (see below). Alabama A&M loses the tie-breaker scenarios in the event of a three-way tie for the East division title.

Southern got all they all they could handle at Texas Southern, before pulling out late game coup on Lenny Williams 82 yd punt return TD. Grambling State QB Bruce Eugene set new career passing records and Prairie View A&M finished their season at Southeastern Louisiana.

Week Twelve Reviews

Grambling State 33, Savannah State 17 at Grambling, LA (3,001)
Grambling State raced out to a 19-0 first lead before cruising to 33-17 win over Savannah State.

Late in the second quarter (1:43), with an 8-yd completion to WR Tim Abney, QB Bruce Eugene broke former QB and head coach Doug Williams? Grambling career passing mark of 8,411 yds. On the game, Eugene passed for 248 yds (21-39-0) with 2 TDs and rushed for an additional 24 yds. WR Tramon Douglas had 8 receptions for 91 yds.


Alabama State 55, Mississippi Valley State 31, at Itta Bena, MS (3,400)
The Hornets? offense put up 31 first half points in a 55-31 win over Mississippi Valley State. The win catapulted Alabama State into the lead of the SWAC East division race.

The Delta Devils only first half scoring came on a 60 yd interception return in the first quarter (6:29) as Alabama State took a 38-7 lead into the locker room for intermission. After the half, Alabama State opened up a 45-7 lead after a blocked punt return. Miss. Valley battled onto the scoreboard in the third quarter (10:28 & 1:56) for a 48-17 score after three quarters, but Alabama State scored early in the fourth quarter (12:25) for 55-17 lead before Miss. Valley closed out the scoring with TDs late in the game (5:58 & 00:49) for the final margin of 55-31.

Alabama State running back rushed for 169 yds and 1 TD on 15 carries to lead four others with rushing TDs on the game.

Alabama State?s Mandrell Butler lead all defenders with 9 tackles (6 solo) with 1 TFL (1). Miss. Valley State?s Christopher Wilson finished the game with 8 tackles (4 solo).


Alcorn State 20, Alabama A&M 15 at Alcorn State, MS (6,023)
Alcorn State spotted Alabama A&M a 6-0 halftime lead and 12-0 midway through the third quarter, but proved to be a ?giant killer? again, downing the East division leader 20-15.

After trailing 12-0 in the third quarter (9:29), Alcorn State scored 21 unanswered points for a 20-12 lead early in the fourth quarter (14:53). The Bulldogs were only able to add a 20 yd FG late in the game (4:34), before they suffered an interception at their 24-yd line on their last possession (00:18).

Alcorn State QB Donald Carrie passed for 292 yds (16-30-2) and 3 TDs while leading the Braves rushers with 23 yds on 5 carries. WR Charlie Spiller had 2 TDs on two receptions for 100 yds and team mate Nate Hughes gained 99 yds on 5 catches.
The top defensive performance in the game came from Alcorn State?s Tim Batts who finished the game with 11 tackles (7 solo), 1 interception and 2 PBs. Teammates Omega Logan and Dwan Wilson finished with 8 tackles, Logan had 4 solos and 1.5 TFLs (2), 1 sack (1) and 4 QB hurries, Wilson had 3 solos with 2.5 TFLs (8) 1 PBs and 2 QB hurries.


Southeastern Louisiana 64, Prairie View A&M 10, at Hammond, LA (8,242)
Prairie View A&M?s season came to an end 64-10 to Southeastern Louisiana with the Panthers giving up their sixth 50+ points game of the year.

PVAM?s defense yielded 532 yds of Total Offense (147 rush, 385 pass) while gaining just 103 yds of Offense (55 rush, 48 pass). The Panthers also suffered three interceptions, with two leading to TD returns.

Four Panthers (Vinson Moye, Damon Wilson & Corey Stewart) finished with 9 tackles.


Southern 24, Texas Southern 17 at Houston, TX (28,582)
The Jaguars found they had a Tiger by the tail against Texas Southern and needed a late (1:09) punt return TD by Lenny Williams to post a 24-17 come-from-behind win.

Both teams battle first quarter miscues, SU suffered 2 interceptions and Texas Southern missed a 41 yd FG, fumbled and lost the ball on downs. Southern scored on a 43 yd FG in the second quarter (12:21), but the Tigers countered with a 21 yd FG (9:07) and a 23 yd interception return (8:47) for a 10-3 lead. Southern drove 80 yds in 7 plays to tie the score at 10-10 (5:04), but Texas Southern came back with a 91 yd TD drive (15 plays) at the end of the quarter (00:33) for a 17-10 lead at halftime.

In the third quarter, Texas Southern missed a 44 yd FG and Southern mounted a 15-play 97 yd drive that culminated in a fourth quarter score (12:14) to tie the game 17-17. Texas Southern fumbled on their first possession of the fourth quarter (11:58) and Southern was intercepted on their next possession (9:36). Southern fumbled again, two possessions later (4:20), but Texas Southern was forced to punt which resulted in Williams 82 yd game-winning return (1:09). The Tigers lost the ball on downs with 00:26 remaining in the game.

Top defensive performance in the game came from the Tigers? Sydney Gordon who finished with 10 tackles (4 solo) with ? TFL (1) and 1 FF. For Southern, Tarus Morgan finished with 9 tackles (4 solo), 1 TFL (13 and Kendrick Paul had 9 tackles (5 solo) with 1 FF.


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2003 Southwestern Athletic Conference
Conference Standings
Through games of Nov 16, 2003

East

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Alabama State....... 4 2 0 217 141 .667 6 4 0 339 253 .600
Alcorn State........ 4 2 0 164 138 .667 6 5 0 312 293 .545
Alabama A&M......... 4 3 0 210 161 .571 7 4 0 348 194 .636
Jackson State....... 2 4 0 114 154 .333 2 9 0 176 289 .182
Miss. Valley State.. 1 6 0 108 211 .143 2 9 0 181 331 .182

West

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Grambling State..... 6 0 0 268 75 1.000 9 2 0 398 214 .818
Southern............ 5 1 0 263 102 .833 10 1 0 456 145 .909
Texas Southern...... 3 3 0 125 129 .500 5 5 0 187 293 .500
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 3 4 0 125 166 .429 4 6 0 211 241 .400
Prairie View A&M.... 0 7 0 44 361 .000 1 9 0 99 522 .100

Last week's results:
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Alcorn State 20, Alabama A&M 15 (Nov 15, 2003 at Alcorn State, MS)
Alabama State 55, Miss. Valley State 31 (Nov 15, 2003 at Itta Bena, MS)
Grambling State 33, Savannah St. 17 (Nov 15, 2003 at Grambling, LA)
Southern 24, Texas Southern 17 (Nov 15, 2003 at Houston, TX)
Southeastern LA St. 64, Prairie View A&M 10 (Nov 15, 2003 at Hammond, LA)


Next Week's Games:
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Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003

* Alcorn State vs Jackson State at Jackson, MS - 1:00p (MBC-TV)
Arkansas-Pine Bluff vs Alabama A&M at Huntsville, AL - 1:30p
* Alabama State vs Texas Southern at Houston, TX - 7:00p

* - SWAC Game

IDLE
- Grambling State
- Southern

-SEASON COMPLETED-
- Mississippi Valley State
- Prairie View A&M
 



Originally posted by mighty hornet
Is that headline correct about A&M out?

If so, someone please explain tiebreakers involving 3 teams.
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Yeah, please explain how A&M is eliminated. I thought A&M would win in a 3 way tie.
 
Mighty Hornet, I was thinking the same thing. Anyway here is the tie-breaker scenario that someone posted on another thread.


SWAC Football Divisional Tiebreakers
In the event of a tie for the divisional championship, the following procedures will be used:

1) Two-team ties:

a. Head-to-Head competition


2) Ties involving three or more teams:

a. Record in games played among the teams locked in a tie;

b. Record in games played in that division ONLY;

c. Scoring margin in games played among the teams locked in a tie;

d. Scoring margin in games played in that division ONLY;

e. Overall record;

f. Coin toss by the commissioner


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Originally posted by Robber
Yeah, please explain how A&M is eliminated. I thought A&M would win in a 3 way tie.
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Rob....I'm STILL thinking that. :smh:


True, our chances are extremely slim, but should Bama State and Alcorn lose, I thought we were still right there.
 
Exactly, A&M would win in a 3 way tiebreaker because if Alcorn lose to JSU that would give them 2 losses in the East (to Bama State and JSU) and leave Bama State and A&M with 1 loss in the East.
With Alcorn eliminated, ASU and A&M would be the 2 teams tied and A&M won head to head.




But all of this talk here is much ado about nothing. The HORNETS will make sure of that.
:D
 
This just shows that we have idiots in the SWAC office because if TxSo beats BAMA Jelly (JSU is gonna horse whip Alcorn), AAMU will still go by virtue of 2b.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
Exactly, A&M would win in a 3 way tiebreaker because if Alcorn lose to JSU that would give them 2 losses in the East (to Bama State and JSU) and leave Bama State and A&M with 1 loss in the East.
With Alcorn eliminated, ASU and A&M would be the 2 teams tied and A&M won head to head.
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but then again, maybe if they start out going on the rules of a 3 way tie, they follow those rules through, until a winner emerges based on those rules alone. If so, Bama State would win a 3 way tie, rule 2c. Bama State over Alcorn by 21. A&M over Bama State by 3. Alcorn over A&M by 5
 
Fellas,

I just figured it out.

Looking at the tie-breaker rules above, if Bama State and Alcorn BOTH lose this coming weekend, Bama State would win the East.

Here's why.

If both of us lose this weekend, there would be a three-way tie. Look carefully at the tie-breakers. The first scenario in the three-way tie-breaker does not work because Bama State beat Alcorn, Alcorn beat A&M and A&M beat Bama State.

The second tie-breaker does not work, because A&M has one East conference loss and Bama State has one East conference loss.

NOTE: Remember, once you go to a three-way tie, the two-way tie-breaker is ELIMINATED.

The third tie-breaker is the one. (scoring margin played in games among the teams locked in a tie) . A&M beat Bama State by 3. Alcorn beat A&M by 5. Bama State beat Alcorn by 21 ! ! ! !

There it is.

If Bama State and Alcorn both lose, then Bama State goes to the SCG ! ! !
 
Originally posted by Deuce
Fellas,

I just figured it out.

Looking at the tie-breaker rules above, if Bama State and Alcorn BOTH lose this coming weekend, Bama State would win the East.

Here's why.

If both of us lose this weekend, there would be a three-way tie. Look carefully at the tie-breakers. The first scenario in the three-way tie-breaker does not work because Bama State beat Alcorn, Alcorn beat A&M and A&M beat Bama State.

The second tie-breaker does not work, because A&M has one East conference loss and Bama State has one East conference loss.

NOTE: Remember, once you go to a three-way tie, the two-way tie-breaker is ELIMINATED.

The third tie-breaker is the one. (scoring margin played in games among the teams locked in a tie) . A&M beat Bama State by 3. Alcorn beat A&M by 5. Bama State beat Alcorn by 21 ! ! ! !

There it is.

If Bama State and Alcorn both lose, then Bama State goes to the SCG ! ! !
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that is what I was thinking...
 
Originally posted by Deuce
Mighty Hornet, I was thinking the same thing. Anyway here is the tie-breaker scenario that someone posted on another thread.


SWAC Football Divisional Tiebreakers
In the event of a tie for the divisional championship, the following procedures will be used:

1) Two-team ties:

a. Head-to-Head competition

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So If Alcorn and Bama St. win....this is what will happen right?

If Alcorn wins, Bama St. doesn't...Bama St. is out, right?

and I understand that if both lose Bama St. goes...
 



Jayson,

Here's the deal.

Its over for A&M. Its now between Bama State and Alcorn.

If Bama State wins, we go to the SCG regardless of what Alcorn does. If Bama State loses, and Alcorn wins, they go to the SCG.

If both Bama State AND Alcorn win, then Bama State goes to the SCG. If both Bama State AND Alcorn lose, then Bama State STILL goes to the SCG.

At least that is the way I see it.

Remember, this is the SWAC, and ANYTHING can happen.

Who knows, they may change the rules Friday night, and Jackson State may go to the SCG, LOL ! ! !
 
This might need to be clarified before Saturday because if not, we as a conference will look real stupid. If you go in order then yes, Alabama State wins either wa BUT I don't think that is what they really mean...then again, the SWAC office wrote the article so maybe AAMU is officially out.
 
Originally posted by Tigerpride
This might need to be clarified before Saturday . . .
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TP,

I agree.

As I said earlier, this is the SWAC, and ain't no tellin' what they might do.

I wonder if A&M folks knew before last Saturday that a loss to Alcorn (and a Bama State win over Valley) would TOTALLY ELIMINATE them. :eek2:

I don't think they did. :emlaugh:

I didn't. :lol:
 
Originally posted by Deuce
TP,

I agree.

As I said earlier, this is the SWAC, and ain't no tellin' what they might do.

I wonder if A&M folks knew before last Saturday that a loss to Alcorn (and a Bama State win over Valley) would TOTALLY ELIMINATE them. :eek2:

I don't think they did. :emlaugh:

I didn't. :lol:
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The Alcorn commentators did not explain it that way either. They used the head to head scenerio with AAMU still being alive.
 
Originally posted by DAHILL
that is what I was thinking...
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I'm thinking that you need to get up off that screen name!!

*and they said i'm welched on a bet. i registered the name and was posting under it. he is still using his name*
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
so it's possible for Bama State to have won the East even before taking the field against TxSou.
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Yes, it is possible MH. The Alcorn-JSU game kicks off at 1:30 and should be over with by 4:30 or 5. You all will know what you have to do by the time you all kick off at 7.
Alcorn wins, you all have to win to go to Birmingham. Alcorn loses, you all are going to Birmingham regardless of the outcome of your game with Texas Southern.
 
Originally posted by Alcorn Warrior
I'm thinking that you need to get up off that screen name!!

*and they said i'm welched on a bet. i registered the name and was posting under it. he is still using his name*
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It wasnt chief dumbass... thats what our bet was... so until I see Chief Dumbass u will see DAHILL.
 
Originally posted by A&T Brandmasta
If it came down to it, how would the coin toss work? Do yall have special 3-sided coins in the SWAC?
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Good point....I really believe that it reverts back to head to head after each 3-way tie scenerio. WHy wouldn't it??
 
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