'Guarantee' games are they worth it for the HBCUs


If the personnel of your team can handle the physicality of an FBS school..then yes. But if not then no. You don't want your team broken up. I remember when UAPB was an NAIA school when Cooley was here. We played Tennessee Tech and of course they drove us to a 49 to 0 win. Cooley on his press conference said that Tenn Tech broke his team up. He had a few players with broken and cracked bones from that game. Now everyone knows Southern Illinois Saluskis is an outstanding FCS school but no FBS school want to play them;they are somewhat of mid FBS type of team if not like the Power schools. Southern Illinois have the personnel that can compete with some of the big schools. But as Coach Billy Joe said a couple of years ago..if you got to play a FBS school to supplement your school's revenue..then your school should drop down to a lower division.
 
As much as I hated seeing La Tech get on us like that, I don't have 350,000 for Southern. I wish I did. And the young men who defend Blue and Gold do so with the knowledge that they will play in games like this and some, if not most, want to see how they measure up to these schools. I know my group is excited to go at Georgia later this month.

The fact is at one time, you couldn't have paid La. Tech, ULL, or ULM to schedule Southern. They took games like this from the Florida's and Oklahoma's and continued to push people to give and built themselves into what they are today. And now, we are supposed to run away from these because of how it makes us look? Keep running away from the hard stuff and we are going to be right where we are.

Either we put up or we shut up, plain and simple.
 



Fiyah said:
It's not just our schools playing in some of these money games, they are other FCS schools doing the same. Some have better luck than others but they are still getting beat like our schools.

Syracuse 47
Rhode Island 0

Ole Miss 77
Tenn-Martin 3

Maryland 50
Richmond 21

Clemson 49
Wofford 10

Rice 56
Wagner 16

Just to show a few
Click to expand...

Someone please check on the psych of the Elon, UT-Martin and Rhode Island players.
 
pbla said:
If the personnel of your team can handle the physicality of an FBS school..then yes. But if not then no. You don't want your team broken up. I remember when UAPB was an NAIA school when Cooley was here. We played Tennessee Tech and of course they drove us to a 49 to 0 win. Cooley on his press conference said that Tenn Tech broke his team up. He had a few players with broken and cracked bones from that game. Now everyone knows Southern Illinois Saluskis is an outstanding FCS school but no FBS school want to play them;they are somewhat of mid FBS type of team if not like the Power schools. Southern Illinois have the personnel that can compete with some of the big schools. But as Coach Billy Joe said a couple of years ago..if you got to play a FBS school to supplement your school's revenue..then your school should drop down to a lower division.
Click to expand...


So says the guy that played no less than six of these games.
 
bluedog said:
Exactly some of us need to get the hell out of our feelings and let your egos go. Unless you're going to do more the the annual season book or alumni donation either shut up or don't complain about what we don't have. Which still equates to shutting up
Click to expand...




These games aren't played for the fans ego's
 
Last edited:
BobbyBlueBlamm said:
I'm not concerned about every other school and what they do, all I care about is the health and vitality of our schools. If some of our programs didn't get these games every year they'd shut down. We're not seeing any improvement year after year, nor major improvements in facilities that I'm aware of; no, what we're getting is the same old "financial mismanagement" ie stealing, that we've been dealing with at too many of our schools.

THAT'S what needs fixing. Get rid of the thieves and put some honest, competent people in charge and we wouldn't need games like this.
Click to expand...


This doesn't apply to the SWAC.......sorry for your loss
 
Kendrick said:
If every school shutdown its football program after getting run in a money game, only the SEC would exist.
Click to expand...

I hope you know in a perfect world, the big boys and the NCAA would love to see the small fries shut down their programs. The money games has not improved many of our facilities and brought in better quality athletes and coaches for the MEAC and SWAC teams to compete. How long have we now been doing this and still down by 21 after the first 10 minutes of the first quarter? So now we play them, just because we are an African-American School, the players will turn down the bright lights of the major schools to play for us, where the lights are not shinning at all, No! Are we on television more? Yes! Have our product improved on the field? No!
 
BobbyBlueBlamm said:
I'm not concerned about every other school and what they do, all I care about is the health and vitality of our schools. If some of our programs didn't get these games every year they'd shut down. We're not seeing any improvement year after year, nor major improvements in facilities that I'm aware of; no, what we're getting is the same old "financial mismanagement" ie stealing, that we've been dealing with at too many of our schools.

THAT'S what needs fixing. Get rid of the thieves and put some honest, competent people in charge and we wouldn't need games like this.
Click to expand...

But those games still would be played.

Even the upper echelon FCS schools without a history of misappropriated funds play money games.
 
This conversation right here is like jumping out of a 50 story building.... Are these games necessary I do not think so. It all falls back to the administration and what the vision is for the program. I don't think we need or have to play any of them to be honest. Schedule regionally to cut travel cost, promote your product, reconnect to what made us the SWAC... OUR FANS. We must get our fan bases back into the mix. Focus on what is obvious and remove this fairytale mind of thinking. Bring them to you and not the other way around.....

I am proud of the SWAC and all its institutions, I just want us to get out of this I got to play them to be legit mode. We have a good name and thriving schools that are doing what they can with what they have and are producing magnificent people. yet we are lacking and it's frustrating.
 
Last edited:
I think what most are missing that its Different when we get beat like a dirty rug and when other FCS schools get beat. We are at a disadvantage these days because 1. Our own Alumni and people believe HBCUs are trash, period while non HBCU schools can pawn it off and the lost forgotten. Other FCS schools will still be able to get our better players and bounce back.
No athlete wants to get beat this bad, and no good athlete wants to sign up to get the dog beat out of them. Winners want to Win, honestly we have gathered a lot of Losers with a few gems that for legal and grade issues slipped to us.
We need to stop kidding ourselves, we Playing these games for free trips and to have a quick ego of playing these games until our bubble get busted in the 2nd Quarter. IF we had a strategic plan to turns these whippings into a better program, I would say yes.. But we all know that this isn't Strategic at all, Heck with some careful planning we wouldn't need money games. Dawson at Grambling had that vision with the Port City Classic.. We controlled everything, got the entire City of Shreveport and its facilities. Sad is our Alumni had no vision and pimping La Tech was light years ahead of our simple minded un business-minded Alumni. We made More off that game then any of these money games. He had SMU and a few other low level FBS signed up because it was win -win for both schools.
 
stroke said:
I think what most are missing that its Different when we get beat like a dirty rug and when other FCS schools get beat. We are at a disadvantage these days because 1. Our own Alumni and people believe HBCUs are trash, period while non HBCU schools can pawn it off and the lost forgotten. Other FCS schools will still be able to get our better players and bounce back.
No athlete wants to get beat this bad, and no good athlete wants to sign up to get the dog beat out of them. Winners want to Win, honestly we have gathered a lot of Losers with a few gems that for legal and grade issues slipped to us.
We need to stop kidding ourselves, we Playing these games for free trips and to have a quick ego of playing these games until our bubble get busted in the 2nd Quarter. IF we had a strategic plan to turns these whippings into a better program, I would say yes.. But we all know that this isn't Strategic at all, Heck with some careful planning we wouldn't need money games. Dawson at Grambling had that vision with the Port City Classic.. We controlled everything, got the entire City of Shreveport and its facilities. Sad is our Alumni had no vision and pimping La Tech was light years ahead of our simple minded un business-minded Alumni. We made More off that game then any of these money games. He had SMU and a few other low level FBS signed up because it was win -win for both schools.
Click to expand...

Go read William Broussard's Twitter feed on this subject.
 
While trying to find an article that documented comments that AD Alonzo Hardy make on this subject while still at MVSU, I instead ran across a somewhat dated article authored by Nick Birdsong from Oct 24, 2013 entitled: Equality opportunity means less opportunity for HBCU athletics . In the article Duer Sharp made the following comments:


Sharp said "scheduling smart" means avoiding the type of embarrassment and potential for injuries that come along with playing the elite among Bowl Championship Series (BCS) teams just to get a payday.

Just this year for example, Ohio State pounded Florida A&M 76-0 for a payout of $900,000, and Savannah St. received a $375,000 check in exchange for a 77-7 beat down from Miami.

13637392-large.jpg
SWAC Commissioner Duer Sharp
Sharp is a proponent of scheduling contests against lesser BCS foes, which would still help program's bottom lines, and going out and setting up meetings against other FCS schools in non-conference play, especially against in-state competition.

It could help the perception of the institutions held by recruits, alumni and potential donors.

Prairie View A&M's 56-48 win against Stephen F. Austin was the Southwestern Athletic Conference's (SWAC) first against a non-HBCU FCS squad since 2009 when Grambling State (La.) defeated Northwestern St. (La.).

Sharp doesn't think futures success for the SWAC has to include participating in the FCS playoffs like many have suggested.

The SWAC currently doesn't use its automatic qualifying bid into the official postseason tournament. Instead it plays its annual SWAC title game in early December.

Last year's game between Jackson State and Arkansas-Pine Bluff and Jackson State attracted more than 32,000 fans to Legion Field, a crowd larger than the Military, Beef O'Brady's, Little Caesar's, Famous Idaho Potato and Hawaii bowls.

The league is also home to the Magic City Classic, the biggest game in all of black college football, which attracted more than 58,000 fans to Legion Field last season.

The league's current format also calls for each member institution to play each season. It also allows schools such as Alabama State and Southern and Grambling St. (Bayou Classic) to continue to play in games such as the Turkey Day Classic and Bayou Classic, which give more of a financial boost than a deep run in the FCS playoffs would, Sharp said.

"When we play those mid-major conferences, we have to show up," Sharp said. "We have to win those games. SWAC, we do a great job of beating up on each other but we don't do a very good job of other conferences. And I think that's what we need to start to do and I think as you do that, it elevates the football and people don't go, 'Oh, you don't want to play in the SWAC because the SWAC doesn't play in the FCS playoffs. But at the same time, the SWAC plays in its own championship game but at the same time, SWAC still does play a very good brand of football."

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/10/equal_opportunity_means_less_o.html


In view of the fact that he is still our commissioner, I would imagine his feeling on this issue remain the same.
 



stroke said:
I think what most are missing that its Different when we get beat like a dirty rug and when other FCS schools get beat. We are at a disadvantage these days because 1. Our own Alumni and people believe HBCUs are trash, period while non HBCU schools can pawn it off and the lost forgotten. Other FCS schools will still be able to get our better players and bounce back.
No athlete wants to get beat this bad, and no good athlete wants to sign up to get the dog beat out of them. Winners want to Win, honestly we have gathered a lot of Losers with a few gems that for legal and grade issues slipped to us.
We need to stop kidding ourselves, we Playing these games for free trips and to have a quick ego of playing these games until our bubble get busted in the 2nd Quarter. IF we had a strategic plan to turns these whippings into a better program, I would say yes.. But we all know that this isn't Strategic at all, Heck with some careful planning we wouldn't need money games. Dawson at Grambling had that vision with the Port City Classic.. We controlled everything, got the entire City of Shreveport and its facilities. Sad is our Alumni had no vision and pimping La Tech was light years ahead of our simple minded un business-minded Alumni. We made More off that game then any of these money games. He had SMU and a few other low level FBS signed up because it was win -win for both schools.
Click to expand...

How about stop kidding yourself and admit that you're speaking from a fan prospective and not a player
 
What folks fail to realize is somebody will take those arse beatings no matter what....The SWAC just played all ours on the first weekend. Look at the teams that got ran by Florida, Tennessee and Ole Miss. Are those bad teams? They took the money game and ran back home...Get out your feelings or find some money to stop it..
 
See, here is the thing. A Profit is a Profit. Rather it $500,000, $100,000, $50,000, PROFIT IS PROFIT.

BUT WHERE IS THIS MONEY GOiNG?

...You Can't Lie and Tell Me it is going to Athletics when Baseball Coaches are having to take two jobs to makes Ends Meet.

....You Can't Lie and Tell Me it's going to Athletics when a weightroom is in such pitiful condition that it actually endangers the Athlete that is suppose to use it for improvement.

....You Can't Lie and Tell Me it's going to Athletics when a Coach Himself has to expose things to the Media to bring attention to it. No Way, No How.

STOP THE LIEING!!!! PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID!!!!
 
97JSULEGEND said:
What folks fail to realize is somebody will take those arse beatings no matter what....The SWAC just played all ours on the first weekend. Look at the teams that got ran by Florida, Tennessee and Ole Miss. Are those bad teams? They took the money game and ran back home...Get out your feelings or find some money to stop it..
Click to expand...

Cosign. Two days later and we are still on this.
 
Kenn Rashad said:
I'm sorry, but considering that just about every SWAC and MEAC school that played up this weekend got "drove" for the money, I'm willing to bet anything those kids will care less about those beat downs come Celebration Bowl time. Their minds are not that fragile.
Click to expand...

That's crazy thinking and unfortunately endemic in the AA community. One doesn't have to be "mentally fragile" or ill to see a team psychologist. Further I'm willing to bet most FBS programs have them. Also, one size doesn't fit all. Perhaps the beat downs doesn't effect most of the players if any. However, if it helps any, it serves its purpose. Even if any of the players just want to talk about something related to the weekend..........The purpose has been served.
 
Last edited:
JROCK said:
That's crazy thinking and unfortunately endemic in the AA community. One doesn't have to be "mentally fragile" or ill to see a team psychologist. Further I'm willing to bet most FBS programs have them. Also, one size doesn't fit all. Perhaps the beat downs doesn't effect most of the players if any. However, if it helps any, it serves its purpose.
Click to expand...
Most BCS powers have a sports psychologist on staff as more programs and them on.

We would be foolish not to utilize already available on campus resources
 
BobbyBlueBlamm said:
I'm not concerned about every other school and what they do, all I care about is the health and vitality of our schools. If some of our programs didn't get these games every year they'd shut down. .
Click to expand...

This is a big misnomer. All of our athletic programs are subsidized.....
 
Some of these teams beat their conference members by 50 on the regular also. Heck didn't Alcorn put up 76 on PV last year? Did someone check their psyche after that game?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top