Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
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Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the wall
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jstate83
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
And as always, too many BLACK FOLK love to talk down about everybody else but act like the world is going to end if you say the same shat about anything BLACK that is deserving of criticism. In other words, no matter how bad shat is, we should not call out our own or the SWAC simply because its black.
Anybody that do so is labeled in the class of Uncle Tom or Clarence Thomas.
Got it...........:tup:
And as always, too many BLACK FOLK love to talk down about everybody else but act like the world is going to end if you say the same shat about anything BLACK that is deserving of criticism. In other words, no matter how bad shat is, we should not call out our own or the SWAC simply because its black.
Anybody that do so is labeled in the class of Uncle Tom or Clarence Thomas.
Got it...........:tup:
PsychoJag
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
That's true as well but our fans are ignorant when it comes to this as well. Folks are talking negative about Bama St, SU, and Valley for having hispanic and white players on their baseball teams.
That's true as well but our fans are ignorant when it comes to this as well. Folks are talking negative about Bama St, SU, and Valley for having hispanic and white players on their baseball teams.
JAG89
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
It seems to me that you still don't understand anything about made up sarcasm, but since you keep bringing it up, it truly makes me wonder if it is really made up. And as for everything else I stated, there are plenty enough evidence to back up what I typed.
It seems to me that you still don't understand anything about made up sarcasm, but since you keep bringing it up, it truly makes me wonder if it is really made up. And as for everything else I stated, there are plenty enough evidence to back up what I typed.
In_The_662
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
That only applies in football. Get the best possible athlete period/coach period is what everyone says all the time. In other sports you get criticized :lol:
As far as the whining and complaining... yeah it's whining and complaining.
That only applies in football. Get the best possible athlete period/coach period is what everyone says all the time. In other sports you get criticized :lol:
As far as the whining and complaining... yeah it's whining and complaining.
JR
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
I have no problem with any HBCU leader wanting to change the perception and do it. But they have to have folks who have supported our beloved schools behind them. No turmoil. Not serious anti faction. No HBCU President can do it alone or just with political help. It has to be wanted at the top of the ALUMNI level. Meaning the folks who already are super active and give to our schools and you better have recruited the casual alums and fans who actually make up the majority of the folks who do come to our games to want to back what you are doing.
Rome wasn't built or destroyed overnight. I know you got faith in Dr Meyers. Our issue as HBCUS is our Presidents don't stay a very long time anymore. So if you get a progressive President/Chancellor and AD. You got to hope they don't leave before the job is done or get run off by the ones who are against change. All our schools have them. Somebody right now with money at JSU is anti Meyers. It is just the law of averages. This is not singling out JSU. We would have someone at SU with money sitting there saying why you want to change things.
I don't think anyone was calling out my Frat Jstate83. He makes some good points. But he knows as well as I know that all our schools got some OLD SCHOOL power alums who ain't trying to change that status quo. That's why I have always said it would be a better scenario with multiple HBCUs trying to move to create a FBS conference. It would be historical. But it would take cooperation, resources and none of this I am better than your school crap when it comes to doing something like this. Save that for GAME DAY. Not negotiation and business. That is the problem now.
I have no problem with any HBCU leader wanting to change the perception and do it. But they have to have folks who have supported our beloved schools behind them. No turmoil. Not serious anti faction. No HBCU President can do it alone or just with political help. It has to be wanted at the top of the ALUMNI level. Meaning the folks who already are super active and give to our schools and you better have recruited the casual alums and fans who actually make up the majority of the folks who do come to our games to want to back what you are doing.
Rome wasn't built or destroyed overnight. I know you got faith in Dr Meyers. Our issue as HBCUS is our Presidents don't stay a very long time anymore. So if you get a progressive President/Chancellor and AD. You got to hope they don't leave before the job is done or get run off by the ones who are against change. All our schools have them. Somebody right now with money at JSU is anti Meyers. It is just the law of averages. This is not singling out JSU. We would have someone at SU with money sitting there saying why you want to change things.
I don't think anyone was calling out my Frat Jstate83. He makes some good points. But he knows as well as I know that all our schools got some OLD SCHOOL power alums who ain't trying to change that status quo. That's why I have always said it would be a better scenario with multiple HBCUs trying to move to create a FBS conference. It would be historical. But it would take cooperation, resources and none of this I am better than your school crap when it comes to doing something like this. Save that for GAME DAY. Not negotiation and business. That is the problem now.
JR
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
Don't over estimate any of our fan bases bruh. You will be shocked at how many of our fans really ain't interested in showing up to see us play this PWCs unless it is a local one within the state. Plus again, we would have to get out of that CLASSIC mentality and also what TIME the game is played to show up.
If a Conference USA team shows up to Memorial to play JSU at 3:30 pm on a hot Saturday in September and it it televised at that time that Conference USA has an agreement with whatever Network. Not saying that the hard core JSU fan would not be there. But you know how all our fan bases get up for certain games. We ain't like say Alabama who fans will still show up to see them beat the little sisters of the poor. LOL.
That's all I am saying. The HBCU super conference would at least help EASE the fan base in FBS. That way you at least have some HBCU games still around to appease most fan bases. Tn State former coach even admitted when SU played them in Nashville a few years back that the alums and fans rather see these games than those teams they play in the OVC. I would not call Tn State fan base sorry. Because they used to be really good. But all of our fan bases have not been on that 80s and 90s level. Folks got too much to entertain them and the YOUNG fans even the ones who went to our schools seem to be all enamored with them FBS PWCs who are winning in their respective home states. So if our schools ain't kicking arse. Then they find something else to do on Saturdays.
Don't over estimate any of our fan bases bruh. You will be shocked at how many of our fans really ain't interested in showing up to see us play this PWCs unless it is a local one within the state. Plus again, we would have to get out of that CLASSIC mentality and also what TIME the game is played to show up.
If a Conference USA team shows up to Memorial to play JSU at 3:30 pm on a hot Saturday in September and it it televised at that time that Conference USA has an agreement with whatever Network. Not saying that the hard core JSU fan would not be there. But you know how all our fan bases get up for certain games. We ain't like say Alabama who fans will still show up to see them beat the little sisters of the poor. LOL.
That's all I am saying. The HBCU super conference would at least help EASE the fan base in FBS. That way you at least have some HBCU games still around to appease most fan bases. Tn State former coach even admitted when SU played them in Nashville a few years back that the alums and fans rather see these games than those teams they play in the OVC. I would not call Tn State fan base sorry. Because they used to be really good. But all of our fan bases have not been on that 80s and 90s level. Folks got too much to entertain them and the YOUNG fans even the ones who went to our schools seem to be all enamored with them FBS PWCs who are winning in their respective home states. So if our schools ain't kicking arse. Then they find something else to do on Saturdays.
JAG89
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
:tup:
You do realize when a school criticize another school on a public sports board, everyone else sees it too. But I'm glad you finally got it. Now back to wishing Bama State the best of luck, if they are the first school from the SWAC that moves up.
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You do realize when a school criticize another school on a public sports board, everyone else sees it too. But I'm glad you finally got it. Now back to wishing Bama State the best of luck, if they are the first school from the SWAC that moves up.
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Panther88
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
But a majority of them aren't j83. :smh: You hear them in the stands "air it out! air it out!" when it's a 3rd and 1 from your 11 yard line. :smh:
Seriously, this is the adjustment I've had to make in dealing w/ these p&g people around here. Most of them, they cannot spell sports or competitivity correctly yet alone comprehend what it takes to be competitive. :retard:
But a majority of them aren't j83. :smh: You hear them in the stands "air it out! air it out!" when it's a 3rd and 1 from your 11 yard line. :smh:
Seriously, this is the adjustment I've had to make in dealing w/ these p&g people around here. Most of them, they cannot spell sports or competitivity correctly yet alone comprehend what it takes to be competitive. :retard:
jstate83
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
Whatever............:smh:
pat yourself on the back, take a bow, declare yourself a "winner" in whatever you were trying to prove.
Whatever............:smh:
pat yourself on the back, take a bow, declare yourself a "winner" in whatever you were trying to prove.
jstate83
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
:lol:
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Panther88
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000. Should be and should have been targeting the best available in your near surroundings from 1968 going forward. When I look @ the shape PVAMU is in, even from an academic standpoint :retard:, I cannot help but :smh:. To call their current administration's direction dumb would be liken to giving them the GREATEST compliment of intelligence. Just terrified of white people and obviously doesn't want to do better. It starts w/ wright's stupid ass and filters down. Actually, the dumb azzed aTm-bors hold the key but they've been maintaining the segregation quite well over the last 100+ years while systematically plucking the best/brightest/most gifted blacks for their mothership in college station along the way. :emlaugh: :lol: :lmao: :lol: :emlaugh:
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000. Should be and should have been targeting the best available in your near surroundings from 1968 going forward. When I look @ the shape PVAMU is in, even from an academic standpoint :retard:, I cannot help but :smh:. To call their current administration's direction dumb would be liken to giving them the GREATEST compliment of intelligence. Just terrified of white people and obviously doesn't want to do better. It starts w/ wright's stupid ass and filters down. Actually, the dumb azzed aTm-bors hold the key but they've been maintaining the segregation quite well over the last 100+ years while systematically plucking the best/brightest/most gifted blacks for their mothership in college station along the way. :emlaugh: :lol: :lmao: :lol: :emlaugh:
BAMASTATESPIRIT
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
Awww man! That's going to be a tough one. Ironically, the smack has become that extra push some of our schools need to prompt us to do better. Although I rep MyASU to the fullest, I feel like alot of things discussed here and other venues prompted our admin to actually do and want better for us. Don't take away the smack, just tone it down. I do agree that there's a certain level of HEALTHY competiton amongst our counterparts that we simply do not have. Look at how bama helped raised money to care for the trees on Toomers corner after that guy poisoned them. (Over 20,000, for some trees for an off the field effort). You tell me which SWAC school would or could show that kind of initiative on behalf of another? I'll wait for it.
Awww man! That's going to be a tough one. Ironically, the smack has become that extra push some of our schools need to prompt us to do better. Although I rep MyASU to the fullest, I feel like alot of things discussed here and other venues prompted our admin to actually do and want better for us. Don't take away the smack, just tone it down. I do agree that there's a certain level of HEALTHY competiton amongst our counterparts that we simply do not have. Look at how bama helped raised money to care for the trees on Toomers corner after that guy poisoned them. (Over 20,000, for some trees for an off the field effort). You tell me which SWAC school would or could show that kind of initiative on behalf of another? I'll wait for it.
Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
I do not think I am the only one thinking this way, but it seems that the conference decision makers or most of them were contented with things as they were. I think that they were all right with the stagnation as long as the fans came. We could have been improving facilities and had a bigger PR machine 15-20 years ago if there was a vision.
They will make more money as I see it; but they will have to spend more money too. Boise State and Marshall are the only two schools that I can think of right now that have had big success after moving from 1-AA. Then again it has been a while (2002) since Marshall won over 10 games.
I do not think I am the only one thinking this way, but it seems that the conference decision makers or most of them were contented with things as they were. I think that they were all right with the stagnation as long as the fans came. We could have been improving facilities and had a bigger PR machine 15-20 years ago if there was a vision.
They will make more money as I see it; but they will have to spend more money too. Boise State and Marshall are the only two schools that I can think of right now that have had big success after moving from 1-AA. Then again it has been a while (2002) since Marshall won over 10 games.
Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
I will defend PV academics to the death but have to say this about Wright. The president has called for diversity. I heard him say it in person in 2003 in the Baby Dome. IJS. :read:
I will defend PV academics to the death but have to say this about Wright. The president has called for diversity. I heard him say it in person in 2003 in the Baby Dome. IJS. :read:
jstate83
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
yep.
And all this talk about they don't want to see PWC's, etc is just a smokescreen also.
Look at the averages for the SWAC.
Outside of JSU, SU and the last couple of years Bamma State, (they have upped their attendance to a consistant top 15), the rest of the SWAC don't draw flies no matter if it is a HBCU or a PWC. Most SWAC schools don't average 10,000 per game year after year.
This listed below is why I roll my eyes at people talking about "their fans" won't come to see us play a non-HBCU....a PWC. Their fans don't come to see them playing HBCU either so what is all this talk about fan support at most SWAC schools. :noidea:
Just using 2012 as an example but this is basically it year after year:
SU and JSU are the only 2 that lives in the top 10 or top 5 consistantly.
9. Southern — 16,602
14. Alabama State — 15,514 (stepped up the last couple years---Top 15)
15. Jackson State — 14,462 (1st 3 games on the road didn't help.....Dropped 10,000 fans from 2011)
Then you get this every year with HBCU opponents from top to bottom.
26. Alcorn State — 11,408 (improvement under 1st year coach......Usually around 8,000)
32. Alabama A&M — 9,784 .... (every year)
39. UAPB -- 8986 ...(every year)
42. Prairie View — 8,857 ....(every year)
46. Grambling — 8,739....(every year)
87. Texas Southern -- 5073...(every year)
95. Valley-- 4046... (every year)
Now will someone tell me why people are talking down on Tennessee State when they outdraw 70% of the teams in the SWAC year after year in the OVC even when they sucked turds record wise? Last year they were #10 with a average of 16,586, (8-3). And before someone say last year was a fluke for them, they was #18 in 2011 with a 14,279 average, (5-6). In 2010, they was #15 with a 14,861 average, (3-8).
yep.
And all this talk about they don't want to see PWC's, etc is just a smokescreen also.
Look at the averages for the SWAC.
Outside of JSU, SU and the last couple of years Bamma State, (they have upped their attendance to a consistant top 15), the rest of the SWAC don't draw flies no matter if it is a HBCU or a PWC. Most SWAC schools don't average 10,000 per game year after year.
This listed below is why I roll my eyes at people talking about "their fans" won't come to see us play a non-HBCU....a PWC. Their fans don't come to see them playing HBCU either so what is all this talk about fan support at most SWAC schools. :noidea:
Just using 2012 as an example but this is basically it year after year:
SU and JSU are the only 2 that lives in the top 10 or top 5 consistantly.
9. Southern — 16,602
14. Alabama State — 15,514 (stepped up the last couple years---Top 15)
15. Jackson State — 14,462 (1st 3 games on the road didn't help.....Dropped 10,000 fans from 2011)
Then you get this every year with HBCU opponents from top to bottom.
26. Alcorn State — 11,408 (improvement under 1st year coach......Usually around 8,000)
32. Alabama A&M — 9,784 .... (every year)
39. UAPB -- 8986 ...(every year)
42. Prairie View — 8,857 ....(every year)
46. Grambling — 8,739....(every year)
87. Texas Southern -- 5073...(every year)
95. Valley-- 4046... (every year)
Now will someone tell me why people are talking down on Tennessee State when they outdraw 70% of the teams in the SWAC year after year in the OVC even when they sucked turds record wise? Last year they were #10 with a average of 16,586, (8-3). And before someone say last year was a fluke for them, they was #18 in 2011 with a 14,279 average, (5-6). In 2010, they was #15 with a 14,861 average, (3-8).
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JR
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
Frat, you know I am trying to stay on the high road. LOL. But I can't argue with the numbers.
I wonder what the MEAC numbers look like and Tn State's home numbers.
Frat, you know I am trying to stay on the high road. LOL. But I can't argue with the numbers.
I wonder what the MEAC numbers look like and Tn State's home numbers.
DAHILL
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you sound CRAZY... Troy had the CEO of HealthSouth Richard Scrushy, Movie Gallary, and Willey Sanders..... they had MULTIPLE Million dollar checks coming in....
you sound CRAZY... Troy had the CEO of HealthSouth Richard Scrushy, Movie Gallary, and Willey Sanders..... they had MULTIPLE Million dollar checks coming in....
jstate83
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
:lol:
You know me frat.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the excuses people are giving but it just don't add up when FACTS are layed out. I swear I'm not trying to smack but some here make it hard not to smack by throwing out these false statements and excuses. :lol:
Look at the bottom part I added about Tennessee State in the OVC. Them mofos consistantly outdraw 70% of the SWAC playing a 80% PWC schedule in the OVC. :lol:
:lol:
You know me frat.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the excuses people are giving but it just don't add up when FACTS are layed out. I swear I'm not trying to smack but some here make it hard not to smack by throwing out these false statements and excuses. :lol:
Look at the bottom part I added about Tennessee State in the OVC. Them mofos consistantly outdraw 70% of the SWAC playing a 80% PWC schedule in the OVC. :lol:
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
While the Sunbelt and even C-USA are horrible conference full of unattractive schools, I would still prefer that JSU moved up if they extended an invitation to us. There are many benefits to being in 1-A and some of those benefits would be magnified for a 1-A HBCU. Not only do you get to market your school to a different audience but you put yourself in a new area to create revenue streams.
I have been the biggest supporter of an HBCU moving up for year. I don't care if it's TNState, FAMU, AlaState or J-State but I think someone needs to be that lamb.
While the Sunbelt and even C-USA are horrible conference full of unattractive schools, I would still prefer that JSU moved up if they extended an invitation to us. There are many benefits to being in 1-A and some of those benefits would be magnified for a 1-A HBCU. Not only do you get to market your school to a different audience but you put yourself in a new area to create revenue streams.
I have been the biggest supporter of an HBCU moving up for year. I don't care if it's TNState, FAMU, AlaState or J-State but I think someone needs to be that lamb.
JSUDMJ2004
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
TN State is the motto for success...
TN State is the motto for success...
DAHILL
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
Tennessee State is only winning championships in track. Another thing is Tennessee State has an advantage of being the only state supported HBCU in its state.
Tennessee State is only winning championships in track. Another thing is Tennessee State has an advantage of being the only state supported HBCU in its state.
jstate83
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Re: Alabama State Looking To Leave The SWAC? I think so, the handwriting was on the
What that got to do with them showing up for games no matter who they play. it ain't like Tennessee giving them Vanderbult, Tennessee, Memphis, or even Middle Tennessee State type money. They on the bottom rungs of funding just like the rest of us in our states. :noidea:
What that got to do with them showing up for games no matter who they play. it ain't like Tennessee giving them Vanderbult, Tennessee, Memphis, or even Middle Tennessee State type money. They on the bottom rungs of funding just like the rest of us in our states. :noidea:
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