I present to you the dumbest comment ever made by a head coach (Doug Williams)

[JR]

What I'm about to say is going to make some heads boil.

But, James Bell was right. Looking at it from afar, his vision was dead on. He just didn't have the ability to make it happen.

Run the ball, play strong in the trenches and play good defense are the fundamentals of successful football everywhere. Too bad the guy couldn't coach a lick.

Because if he could, James Bell could have been the man to lead the SWAC out of the mediocre football malaise that many of you are so satisfied with. That type football would keep SWAC teams from getting beat by the Delta State's of the world.

Too bad he didn't have the ability to pull it off. Maybe somebody else will come along who can. Somebody like ... Doug Williams. Maybe? Somebody who understands it's not really possible to "win" clown football and a better product needs to be put on the field.

Hmmm ....

Actually Broadway was that guy who could do it. Doug likes the throw the rock. Broadway was Bell but could coach. He didn't need all the big time talent to win. He could coach up guys who understood his system. But his teams were considered boring by high flying SWAC standards. Heck, Buddy Pough at SC State plays in the trenches. He doesn't have a Qb that throws like we had Eugene, Richard, Kent and others recently. Actually the last balanced team in the SWAC was the Bama State team that beat SU in 04. They could run the rock, they could pass the rock and they played good defense. The next closest was JSU with Oliver. They could run and pass and played good defense in 06. Most of the other teams have been either one dimensional or just decent in one phase of the game. PV could run the ball and throw okay not like Bama State in 04 or JSU in 06 when they won. KJ Black managed the game well. TxSU defense and running attack won it for them. Same for Broadway and Gram. He had big plays with his QB but ran the ball and played defense. Unfortunately our fans get caught up with these high flying games ie....the 03 BC when Eugene and Richard threw for 10 zillion yards in that game. LOL.

So basically the coaches who believed in that real balance all left......Frazier and Broadway. I haven't checked out Barlow and his way of coaching yet.

 

[CEE DOG]

I know we give AJ a hard way to go, but if he got a OC, he would run the SWAC. He always has real o-lineman, and got d-lineman. His offense just never clicks. He would be hard to beat with a real OC.

 

[SAME OLD G]

Actually Broadway was that guy who could do it. Doug likes the throw the rock. Broadway was Bell but could coach. He didn't need all the big time talent to win. He could coach up guys who understood his system. But his teams were considered boring by high flying SWAC standards. Heck, Buddy Pough at SC State plays in the trenches. He doesn't have a Qb that throws like we had Eugene, Richard, Kent and others recently. Actually the last balanced team in the SWAC was the Bama State team that beat SU in 04. They could run the rock, they could pass the rock and they played good defense. The next closest was JSU with Oliver. They could run and pass and played good defense in 06. Most of the other teams have been either one dimensional or just decent in one phase of the game. PV could run the ball and throw okay not like Bama State in 04 or JSU in 06 when they won. KJ Black managed the game well. TxSU defense and running attack won it for them. Same for Broadway and Gram. He had big plays with his QB but ran the ball and played defense. Unfortunately our fans get caught up with these high flying games ie....the 03 BC when Eugene and Richard threw for 10 zillion yards in that game. LOL.

So basically the coaches who believed in that real balance all left......Frazier and Broadway. I haven't checked out Barlow and his way of coaching yet.

Say it again! They want style over substance. Would rather a pretty loss over an ugly win.

 

[JR]

I tried to tell yall that Broadway was not recruiting well. Doug is suffering from that. Give Doug a few years to get a WR and a RB.

I agree with Diougs premise. Sometimes you have to pull back from the urge to say it...but he is exactly right

But how did they do 9-2 last year GR? Broadway was not a big name type recruiter. He wanted guys to get dirty and play hard. So he didn't recruit that great WR. He had RBs whether they were recruited by Spears, I do not know. Broadway could coach his scheme and get players to play into it. Like I told you, the SWAC will have to get like the service academies. Hire coaches that can coach up kids that may not be as big or talented as others. That's why those schools like Navy can hang with a SEC school like South Carolina and not get blown out. Those smart kids get coached up and sometimes that outweighs some dumb dumb jock who can run fast and is big but has no clue about the nuances of the game. Broadway always struct me as good teacher of fundamentals. For too long our coaches in the SWAC have won because they out athlete the other teams. When things get in a pinch and they have to coach.....what happens. They get their arses handed to them. Only the FBS schools will have the luxury of having athletes that can compensate for some poor coaching. LOL. Most of our schools can't do that. That's why I liked ole Broadway. He can take less talent and make something out of it. Pete used to be that way once upon a time.

 

[SUJagFan]

Actually Broadway was that guy who could do it. Doug likes the throw the rock. Broadway was Bell but could coach. He didn't need all the big time talent to win. He could coach up guys who understood his system. But his teams were considered boring by high flying SWAC standards. Heck, Buddy Pough at SC State plays in the trenches. He doesn't have a Qb that throws like we had Eugene, Richard, Kent and others recently. Actually the last balanced team in the SWAC was the Bama State team that beat SU in 04. They could run the rock, they could pass the rock and they played good defense. The next closest was JSU with Oliver. They could run and pass and played good defense in 06. Most of the other teams have been either one dimensional or just decent in one phase of the game. PV could run the ball and throw okay not like Bama State in 04 or JSU in 06 when they won. KJ Black managed the game well. TxSU defense and running attack won it for them. Same for Broadway and Gram. He had big plays with his QB but ran the ball and played defense. Unfortunately our fans get caught up with these high flying games ie....the 03 BC when Eugene and Richard threw for 10 zillion yards in that game. LOL.

So basically the coaches who believed in that real balance all left......Frazier and Broadway. I haven't checked out Barlow and his way of coaching yet.

Okay. I'll defer to you on that.

However, you get my point. If we want to take SWAC football to a higher level, it's going to take a return to fundamental football. Which James Bell saw, but couldn't do.

By the way, I was in a room full of JSU alums and fans and I said this stuff about James Bell had the right idea ... one of those guys looked like he wanted to fight me. Dude had tears well up in his eyes. :lmao:

 

[JR]

Doug wants to go back to those "belly-fat" lineman.

LOL. Because that's how Coach Rob won back in the day. I remember hearing Coach Rob say, you can't kill a Big Chicken with a little stick. That was funny. He liked those big boys. The difference was, those big brothers who played for Rob were athletic back in the day before the PWCs started recruiting brothers to play OL and DL. The ones we have been getting in the last 10-15 years are just big and slow with bellies. The leftovers. Back to my rationale, we have to recruit like the service academies and get an undersized kid that has quick feet/speed and then bulk them up some to play in the trenches. But again, you have to have the coaches who can coach up those type of kids.

 

[SAME OLD G]

LOL. Because that's how Coach Rob won back in the day. I remember hearing Coach Rob say, you can't kill a Big Chicken with a little stick. That was funny. He liked those big boys. The difference was, those big brothers who played for Rob were athletic back in the day before the PWCs started recruiting brothers to play OL and DL. The ones we have been getting in the last 10-15 years are just big and slow with bellies. The leftovers. Back to my rationale, we have to recruit like the service academies and get an undersized kid that has quick feet/speed and then bulk them up some to play in the trenches. But again, you have to have the coaches who can coach up those type of kids.

Yep!

 

[CEE DOG]

That is one thing I give us credit for at AAMU, our o-linmen are usually pretty decent and in shape with good techniques. Coach pearl does a good job.

LOL. Because that's how Coach Rob won back in the day. I remember hearing Coach Rob say, you can't kill a Big Chicken with a little stick. That was funny. He liked those big boys. The difference was, those big brothers who played for Rob were athletic back in the day before the PWCs started recruiting brothers to play OL and DL. The ones we have been getting in the last 10-15 years are just big and slow with bellies. The leftovers. Back to my rationale, we have to recruit like the service academies and get an undersized kid that has quick feet/speed and then bulk them up some to play in the trenches. But again, you have to have the coaches who can coach up those type of kids.

 

[Panther88]

Okay. I'll defer to you on that.

However, you get my point. If we want to take SWAC football to a higher level, it's going to take a return to fundamental football. Which James Bell saw, but couldn't do.

By the way, I was in a room full of JSU alums and fans and I said this stuff about James Bell had the right idea ... one of those guys looked like he wanted to fight me. Dude had tears well up in his eyes. :lmao:

I was called crazy for saying that JBell had the right idea(s). lol I'd just seen what he'd done for perrenial sorry UNT years earlier that was the groundwork for them going to then I-A'dom. Right ideology; just not implemented correctly, I guess. :smh:

Go look UNT's campus over and look how they've expanded. :smh: Totally ridiculous for a then i-aa, @ our level, to have done what they did in a short 15-17 yrs. And, during that same 15-17 yrs, what advancements have been made by our individual schools? Right. Regression. :read:

 

[JSUDMJ2004]

But how did they do 9-2 last year GR? Broadway was not a big name type recruiter. He wanted guys to get dirty and play hard. So he didn't recruit that great WR. He had RBs whether they were recruited by Spears, I do not know. Broadway could coach his scheme and get players to play into it. Like I told you, the SWAC will have to get like the service academies. Hire coaches that can coach up kids that may not be as big or talented as others. That's why those schools like Navy can hang with a SEC school like South Carolina and not get blown out. Those smart kids get coached up and sometimes that outweighs some dumb dumb jock who can run fast and is big but has no clue about the nuances of the game. Broadway always struct me as good teacher of fundamentals. For too long our coaches in the SWAC have won because they out athlete the other teams. When things get in a pinch and they have to coach.....what happens. They get their arses handed to them. Only the FBS schools will have the luxury of having athletes that can compensate for some poor coaching. LOL. Most of our schools can't do that. That's why I liked ole Broadway. He can take less talent and make something out of it. Pete used to be that way once upon a time.

You just gave a total breakdown of the SWAC problems in 1 paragraph.....I personally think Grambling should have done everything they could to keep Broadway his teams were physical and discipline and they never beat themselves...And they had a real quarterback last season with A.C. He was short in size but was smart and knew how to manage the games and could make all the throws. Doug W son looks like a high school junior at qb tall and skinny has a weak arm from the few games I have seen him play...

 

[SUJagFan]

I was called crazy for saying that JBell had the right idea(s). lol I'd just seen what he'd done for perrenial sorry UNT years earlier that was the groundwork for them going to then I-A'dom. Right ideology; just not implemented correctly, I guess. :smh:

Go look UNT's campus over and look how they've expanded. :smh: Totally ridiculous for a then i-aa, @ our level, to have done what they did in a short 15-17 yrs. And, during that same 15-17 yrs, what advancements have been made by our individual schools? Right. Regression. :read:

Yep. I know, man.

It's so frustrating for me to watch the state of SWAC football. Then people continually dump on James Bell without being able to realize the man may have been on to something.

We have to learn to take the good and leave the bad. Sometimes I think we have the tendency to dismiss people altogether when they may actually have some ideas that can help us.

 

[JR]

Okay. I'll defer to you on that.

However, you get my point. If we want to take SWAC football to a higher level, it's going to take a return to fundamental football. Which James Bell saw, but couldn't do.

By the way, I was in a room full of JSU alums and fans and I said this stuff about James Bell had the right idea ... one of those guys looked like he wanted to fight me. Dude had tears well up in his eyes. :lmao:

LOL. I bet that was funny. Bell had the right ideas. Couldn't execute them. However he had a nice pool of talent when he got to JSU. So instead of having Kent throw every down. He could have mixed some runs in there. But no......he wanted to run on 3rd and 10. LOL. He got too stubborn with it. Sometimes you have to slowly move into your scheme. That was Bell's first mistake. Had he just got the defense to play hard and increased the running game more than Hughes had done. He might have won. That team he inherited didn't need much to win the SWAC.

 

[JSUDMJ2004]

I was called crazy for saying that JBell had the right idea(s). lol I'd just seen what he'd done for perrenial sorry UNT years earlier that was the groundwork for them going to then I-A'dom. Right ideology; just not implemented correctly, I guess. :smh:

Go look UNT's campus over and look how they've expanded. :smh: Totally ridiculous for a then i-aa, @ our level, to have done what they did in a short 15-17 yrs. And, during that same 15-17 yrs, what advancements have been made by our individual schools? Right. Regression. :read:

I can see the SWAC going to Division II pretty soon...Leadership has been too laxed and no real work has been done to put the conference as a whole in a better position....Watch what I tell you....

As far as Dumbbell he is did the same thing Doug is doing now...Dumbbell took at high powered offense and wanted to turn it into a run first team 2003 JSU had alot of talent just bad coaching...He did do one thing and thats put Kent under center in which Pro Scouts liked but Kent didnt take to it very well...Also Bell just couldn't coach and was too much of a dictator....

South Carolina State Coach has to be one of the few coaches in the HBCU world who has been consistent and gets it right year after year discipline teams that plays good defense and moves the ball......

 

[JSUDMJ2004]

LOL. I bet that was funny. Bell had the right ideas. Couldn't execute them. However he had a nice pool of talent when he got to JSU. So instead of having Kent throw every down. He could have mixed some runs in there. But no......he wanted to run on 3rd and 10. LOL. He got too stubborn with it. Sometimes you have to slowly move into your scheme. That was Bell's first mistake. Had he just got the defense to play hard and increased the running game more than Hughes had done. He might have won. That team he inherited didn't need much to win the SWAC.

Yup he inherited a Senior Squad and F'ed it up........

 

[SUJagFan]

I can see the SWAC going to Division II pretty soon...Leadership has been too laxed and no real work has been done to put the conference as a whole in a better position....Watch what I tell you....

As far as Dumbbell he is did the same thing Doug is doing now...Dumbbell took at high powered offense and wanted to turn it into a run first team 2003 JSU had alot of talent just bad coaching...He did do one thing and thats put Kent under center in which Pro Scouts liked but Kent didnt take to it very well...Also Bell just couldn't coach and was too much of a dictator....

South Carolina State Coach has to be one of the few coaches in the HBCU world who has been consistent and gets it right year after year discipline teams that plays good defense and moves the ball......

Imagine what would happen if you got 90% of HBCU teams to play that way. Heck, 50%. The quality of the competition would improve which would make the teams better. With higher quality football being played, the schools could recruit higher quality players ... which would lead to even better games ... which would lead to more publicity ... and on and on. An upward spiral that would do nothing but help our schools.

It just starts with doing things right.

:noidea:

 

[Dr. Phreeze]

Imagine what would happen if you got 90% of HBCU teams to play that way. Heck, 50%. The quality of the competition would improve which would make the teams better. With higher quality football being played, the schools could recruit higher quality players ... which would lead to even better games ... which would lead to more publicity ... and on and on. An upward spiral that would do nothing but help our schools.

It just starts with doing things right.

:noidea:

:tup:

 

[JSUDMJ2004]

Imagine what would happen if you got 90% of HBCU teams to play that way. Heck, 50%. The quality of the competition would improve which would make the teams better. With higher quality football being played, the schools could recruit higher quality players ... which would lead to even better games ... which would lead to more publicity ... and on and on. An upward spiral that would do nothing but help our schools.

It just starts with doing things right.

:noidea:

I tell my JSU peeps that if I had to choose one coach it would Coach Paugh at SC State or the coach from Bethune Cookman....Truthfully looking at Barlow isn't doing half bad over there at Bama State...but the thing with his teams is they will be discipline they dont do anything overly impressive there secondary is a beast but everything else is average but they wont beat themselves...

HBCU football is easy to figure out as long as you have a systems and players to run your system and stay discipline...I say more than 75% of HBCU teams are undisciplined in some phase of the game..Meaning they will give an opposing team a window to beat them either on special teams, offense or defense I havent seen a complete team all year in the SWAC...Alabama State is the closest in the SWAC but if you have a good running game you can beat them..We just have dumb coaches at JSU who dont make halftime adjustments...

 

[CriTAUcal]

But no......he wanted to run on 3rd and 10. LOL. He got too stubborn with it.

Darn shame. :smh: :lol:

 

[CriTAUcal]

We just have dumb coaches at JSU who dont make adjustments...

Can someone please explain to me how it is that fans can see where adjustments need to be made but coaches, who are supposed to be the paid professionals, don't?

 

[SAME OLD G]

Can someone please explain to me how it is that fans can see where adjustments need to be made but coaches, who are supposed to be the paid professionals, don't?

I know we have fans (like MB) who said we had a RB that showed a lot of promise during the spring and preseason, but couldn't understand why he didn't get any playing time the first 3 games at the RB position. And then when he is inserted (against AAMU and PV) he runs for damn near 200 yards in each game leaving the head coach to say he needs to apologize to that player for not putting him in sooner. :shame:

 

[Panther88]

I know we have fans (like MB) who said we had a RB that showed a lot of promise during the spring and preseason, but couldn't understand why he didn't get any playing time the first 3 games at the RB position. And then when he is inserted (against AAMU and PV) he runs for damn near 200 yards in each game leaving the head coach to say he needs to apologize to that player for not putting him in sooner. :shame:

Ask PV fans about the yearly "quarterbacking circus." :|

Mark Spivey. KJ Black. :| Hell, even now there's some "stuff" going on. :smh:

 

[CEE DOG]

Can someone please explain to me how it is that fans can see where adjustments need to be made but coaches, who are supposed to be the paid professionals, don't?

When yall find out, please let coach Jones know. :shame:

 

[Sting]

I tell my JSU peeps that if I had to choose one coach it would Coach Paugh at SC State or the coach from Bethune Cookman....Truthfully looking at Barlow isn't doing half bad over there at Bama State...but the thing with his teams is they will be discipline they dont do anything overly impressive there secondary is a beast but everything else is average but they wont beat themselves...

HBCU football is easy to figure out as long as you have a systems and players to run your system and stay discipline...I say more than 75% of HBCU teams are undisciplined in some phase of the game..Meaning they will give an opposing team a window to beat them either on special teams, offense or defense I havent seen a complete team all year in the SWAC...Alabama State is the closest in the SWAC but if you have a good running game you can beat them..We just have dumb coaches at JSU who dont make halftime adjustments...

Barlow has done good job so far this season. He's definitely grown since his first year here and will continue to get better. I still wish we didn't have the problem that we had in the offseason that prevented a lot of key players from returning this season. We would definitely be a complete team

 

[tigerdiva1908]

Coach Broadway's first year at GSU, he went to the SCG and lost against JSU, with Doug's and Spear's guys. Coach Broadway's second year at GSU, he won the SWAC Championship (2008) with Doug's and Spear's guys. Greg Dillion was QB. Coach Broadway's third year at GSU, he went 7 - 4, with a mix of Spear's guys and his guys. Coach Broadway's fourth year at GSU, he went 9-2, with a mix of Spear's guys and his guys. At this point in time, we are playing with Broadway's guys. For the record, in case someone acts like they don't know what I mean when I say "so and so's guys", I mean players that were recruited under a particular head coach's tenure.

When Coach Broadway first came to GSU, he said he didn't have much talent on the team. He was not impressed at all with Frank Warren, said he was an "OK" running back. Yeah, right. Hell, I could have coached the players he inherited, and won with them too.

Coach Broadway was a decent coach in terms of coaching football. But he didn't respect the traditions of the "G", nor of the SWAC, nor of HBCUs in general. He made reference to Steve Spurrier so many times, til it was ridiculous. As MANY legendary football coaches as there were/are in HBCUs (and I stress MANY), Steve Spurrier's name never had to be mentioned.

Child, please. Kick rocks against a rubber wall with this crap some of y'all are talking.

 

[GramUntilDeath]

:retard:

The guy is five games into his first season back and folks are already crying that the sky is falling?

Look, there's not a whole lot of difference between a 1-4 SWAC team and a 4-1 SWAC team. Basically, the luck of the draw. Who got the last fumble or interception. It's not like these games are determined by exceptional play and coaching to begin with.

How do y'all know that he won't get lucky next year and get some "wins"? How do you know he won't get some "wins" for the rest of the year?

Don't y'all think it's a little early to be lining up on the edges of buildings and cliffs?

It ain't that serious. Really.

I was gonna try and read all 4 pages before I made my comment...........


WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP DUDE!!!! GEESH.....