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Since you want to go there, how do you know God wrote or inspired the Bible? How do you know mortal men didn't write words down and put a "God title" to it and pawned it off as God doing it? It's easy to do you know.

2 Timothy 3:16-17. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

If you are ungodly, this does not apply. If you don't believe in God...there really is no use in discussing things of the Bible with You.

1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

We, the Book and the God we believe in, will forever seem foolish to you. There will come A day when someone will be proven right. I am ready for that day. Are You?
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

If you are ungodly, this does not apply. If you don't believe in God...there really is no use in discussing things of the Bible with You.

1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

We, the Book and the God we believe in, will forever seem foolish to you. There will come A day when someone will be proven right. I am ready for that day. Are You?

Who said I didn't believe in God?

I simply asked for proof showing that men didn't copy Biblical scripture from previous writings and pawn it off as being from the Creator? In other words, support what one believes with something other than a book that's full of errors to begin with.
I hope that's not too much to ask for. If it is, let me know and I'll withdraw the question. I hope that's fair enough.:tup:

One more thing....would an all powerful, all-knowing, omnipotent and omnipresent Creator stand for his inspired word to be filled with so many errors? I know my answer, but what's yours?
(Anyone can chime in if they so desire).
 



Since you want to go there, how do you know God wrote or inspired the Bible? How do you know mortal men didn't write words down and put a "God title" to it and pawned it off as God doing it? It's easy to do you know.

Jag answered the question with 2 Timothy 3:16........

It appears you doubt God and his ability to keep men in their place. Maybe this will help you to better understand God's power..........

Jeremiah 32:17 ‘Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for You.

Jeremiah 32:27 “Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?

In other words, yes, God is powerful enough to control men and what they write in His book.
 
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Who said I didn't believe in God?

I simply asked for proof showing that men didn't copy Biblical scripture from previous writings and pawn it off as being from the Creator? In other words, support what one believes with something other than a book that's full of errors to begin with.
I hope that's not too much to ask for. If it is, let me know and I'll withdraw the question. I hope that's fair enough.:tup:

One more thing....would an all powerful, all-knowing, omnipotent and omnipresent Creator stand for his inspired word to be filled with so many errors? I know my answer, but what's yours?
(Anyone can chime in if they so desire).
Bruh, my proof, RBs proof, illinijags proof is not good enough for you anyway. When you make a decision for Christ you'll have your proof. You need to know the difference between a Religion and a Relationship. Religion is comparing contradicting 'proofs'. A relationship you don't have to keep on asking others for proof because you have it yourself...speaking of Jesus.

And book full of errors? Dont't believe that bible error list you copied from the website, study for yourself and pray to God for proper undersatnding.
 
Bruh, my proof, RBs proof, illinijags proof is not good enough for you anyway. When you make a decision for Christ you'll have your proof. You need to know the difference between a Religion and a Relationship. Religion is comparing contradicting 'proofs'. A relationship you don't have to keep on asking others for proof because you have it yourself...speaking of Jesus.

And book full of errors? Dont't believe that bible error list you copied from the website, study for yourself and pray to God for proper undersatnding.

What proof? Neither of you has given one shred of evidence to show that Christianity wasn't taken from other writings and religions.
What you did do was use the Bible as "evidence" for the validity of Christianity when the validity of the Bible is what's actually in question.
Quoting the Bible does not prove that the Bible is the Creator's word, neither does it prove that it wasn't copied from previous sources.

You read the verses, as did RB, and illinijag, yet neither of you can refute that they're not contradicting each other. You choose to ignore it and hope it goes away. I simply choose not to ignore such errors.

If God is that incompetent, then he can't be God. I DO believe in a Creator, but I don't believe that an all powerful God is this incompetent.
This is only one of many proofs showing that mortal men wrote these contradictory writings.
I refuse to believe that an omnipotent, neverfailing, all-knowing God would ever make such blunders time and time again.

I have one question for all of you, RB, illinijag, etc.....
"Are those verses contradicting each other? Yes or no? If yes, would an all-knowing, all powerful God Creator inspire such errors?"
I'll check in later for your responses.
 
I have one question for all of you, RB, illinijag, etc.....
"Are those verses contradicting each other? Yes or no? If yes, would an all-knowing, all powerful God Creator inspire such errors?"
I'll check in later for your responses.

Preface to the King James Version 1611

THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER

Page 1 of 2

This letter is not copyrighted so feel free to copy it to your hard drive and read it at your leisure. The letter is written in 17th Century English and will require patience to complete. This letter shows that the KJV was written in the everyday language of the times.

One of the concepts that stand out in this letter is that the translators say of themselves that they are but men and can make mistakes. They admit that they are not always correct on the translation of every word and they admonish the reader to seek other sources to help translate them. (Go To This Place in the Letter). They want YOU, the reader, to make sure you understand God's Word, and they suggest you let God lead you and show you the meaning of His Word (Go To This Place in the Letter).

Notes: (1.) A Thesis on the letter by Edgar Goodspeed is available on line. It succinctly summarizes this rather long letter. (2.) Most outside marginal readings are enclosed in brackets "[ ]" in the text. (3.) Most inside marginal readings will be displayed at this site as section titles:

http://www.bibleword.org/kjvlet.html
 
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If the fact that dozens and dozens of major characteristics of Christianity, are found in other religions that existed hundreds of years before Christianity,

Christianity (NT) is an extension of Judaism (OT). And there are some similarities of Judaism and information found in the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I am not surprised, because Moses and others we in captivity in Egypt and they were taught the ways of the Egyptians.

And it’s true that most religions have its roots out of Africa, even Christianity and the NT Church, because there were only two areas of religion (that we know of) Africa (Land of Ham) which included the Middle East and there was Asia Minor (Europe).

Contrary to what we have been taught Jerusalem, Syrian, Saudi Arabia is on the African Continent, and was considered to be part of Africa until the construction of various water ways in the late 40 or early 50.
 
To all of my Christian Brothers and Sisters:

Please do not seek to learn, tamper with or pursue any VOODOO or Satanic spirits.
I totally agree with you on this.


Satan is extremely powerful...

Not true and it's another big misconception in the Body of Christ. Satan's ONLY "power" (if you want to call it that) is deception.

... and often those he has captured, he will never turn loose.

God has given Satan limited powers, powers we can not match.

Not true. God defeated satan and stripped him of any authority over mankind through the atonement of Jesus. Mankind is the one who empowers satan by yielding to his deception (his lies). But the point i want you see is that if satan has powers that we believers cannot match, why would Jesus tell His disciples the following in Luke 10:19? "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." Jesus was speaking to his disciples and this was before the resurection. After the resurrection, God poured out His spirit on the day of penticost (Act 1:8 - But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you....") What power is He talking about? It's the same power Jesus gave His disciples. He goes on to tell them in verse 20 of Luke 19, not to rejoice because the spirits are subject unto to them (the disciples), implying that the enemy has NO power over them. It is the enemy (satan) who cannot match the power of the believer, not vice versa.

I have seen people who have been effected by these pursuits, none are good.


God has given us only one tool to fight against these powers, that is the Word of God (Ephesians 6:17). We are never to actively pursue these spirits, King Saul did at his own demise (1 Samuel 28:7-25).


The Bible does say Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1Thessalonians 5:21). However to prove all things is to subject those things to Scripture. To search out this ungodly doctrine for proof is like telling your child to touch the burner to determine if it is Hot. The purpose of the Bible is for our admonision so we don't have to make the same mistakes that were made in the past.

This again is a scripture you are admonished to follow:

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.


Good Day and God Bless
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Not true and it's another big misconception in the Body of Christ. Satan's ONLY "power" (if you want to call it that) is deception.

Deception, are you serious? His powers are not a deception (trickery, fraud or a sham) Just ask brother Job, those boils were real, and the lossof his wealth and family was real, because God said:

“All that Job has is in your power, but don’t lay a hand on him (Job). So Satan went, and destroyed his material wealth 1:12. Then in 2:4-7, Satan inflected Job with boils from his feet to the top of his head.

As the god of this world system, Satan has authority over a federation that also includes all of the unsaved and fallen humanity whom he takes captive and uses at his will - Matthew 4:8-10; John 14:30;. The apostle John wrote: "We know that we are of God and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" 1 John 5:19. We are also told that "the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not" - 2 Cor. 4:4.

Satan influences governments and nations. Daniel 10:12-13,20-21 gives us a glimpse into the spiritual realm of angels and demons and how they affect nations. The "prince of the Persian kingdom" (v.13) is apparently a demon exercising influence over the Persian realm in the interests of Satan. The archangel of God named Michael finally overcame his resistance. Likewise the "prince of Greece" in verse 20 is also a demon.

From this lesson, we see that Satan has power, but it is limited to what God authorizes. He cannot act without the approval of man. And we see examples in the NT, where his demonic forces invade the soul / mind / spirit of men and cause aliments. Did Satan, get permission from God to do this, sure he did because of the example we read about in Job.

Does he have any power independent of what God authorizes, No
 
Not true and it's another big misconception in the Body of Christ. Satan's ONLY "power" (if you want to call it that) is deception.

Deception, are you serious? His powers are not a deception (trickery, fraud or a sham) Just ask brother Job, those boils were real, and the lossof his wealth and family was real, because God said:

“All that Job has is in your power, but don’t lay a hand on him (Job). So Satan went, and destroyed his material wealth 1:12. Then in 2:4-7, Satan inflected Job with boils from his feet to the top of his head.

As the god of this world system, Satan has authority over a federation that also includes all of the unsaved and fallen humanity whom he takes captive and uses at his will - Matthew 4:8-10; John 14:30;. The apostle John wrote: "We know that we are of God and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" 1 John 5:19. We are also told that "the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not" - 2 Cor. 4:4.

Satan influences governments and nations. Daniel 10:12-13,20-21 gives us a glimpse into the spiritual realm of angels and demons and how they affect nations. The "prince of the Persian kingdom" (v.13) is apparently a demon exercising influence over the Persian realm in the interests of Satan. The archangel of God named Michael finally overcame his resistance. Likewise the "prince of Greece" in verse 20 is also a demon.

From this lesson, we see that Satan has power, but it is limited to what God authorizes. He cannot act without the approval of man. And we see examples in the NT, where his demonic forces invade the soul / mind / spirit of men and cause aliments. Did Satan, get permission from God to do this, sure he did because of the example we read about in Job.

Does he have any power independent of what God authorizes, No

If satan cannot act without the approval of man then what power does he have? If words mean anything..... :lol:
 
God has given Satan limited powers

Not true and it's another big misconception in the Body of Christ. Satan's ONLY "power" (if you want to call it that) is deception. .

I was just going by the Memo Jesus gave to Paul, after His ascension to Heaven; that was recorded by Dr. Luke.

Acts 26:18. To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

powers we can not match.

Not true. God defeated satan and stripped him of any authority over mankind through the atonement of Jesus. Mankind is the one who empowers satan by yielding to his deception (his lies). But the point i want you see is that if satan has powers that we believers cannot match, why would Jesus tell His disciples the following in Luke 10:19? "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." Jesus was speaking to his disciples and this was before the resurection. After the resurrection, God poured out His spirit on the day of penticost (Act 1:8 - But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you....") What power is He talking about? It's the same power Jesus gave His disciples. He goes on to tell them in verse 20 of Luke 19, not to rejoice because the spirits are subject unto to them (the disciples), implying that the enemy has NO power over them. It is the enemy (satan) who cannot match the power of the believer, not vice versa.

Jesus death on the Cross defeated Satan and took away Satan’s authority over the Penalty of Sin (DEATH). Death is the consequence of Sin, that will result in the total separation from God. Satan had man bound to death by sin; Christ retrieved us from that bondage through His death, which will serve as the only acceptable substitute for us before God. Any Sin or anyone born of Adam is bound to the penalty of DEATH, unless that person will die in Christ (become a member of the Body of Christ). This is the bond of Satan over man that Jesus defeated, This is Jesus Victory.

To reiterate what Dr. H has repeated time and time again, Jesus death on the Cross does not change the consequences of sin we must pay on earth if we sin. In simple terms JESUS BLOOD KEEPS US FROM HELL, such did not change the common law of God, You reap what you sowe (Galatians 6:7).

Luke 10:19 has nothing to do with what Jesus did on the Cross. Here Jesus gave power to seventy desciples, the power to tread on serpents, scorpions, and over all the powers of the enemy. He also included the power to heal (Luke 10:9). Now to confer that power to us may sound good; but such is not supported by scripture.

These are our permanant tools given to Church to fight against Satan:

Ephesians 6:14-17. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

All of these are defensive tools with the exception of one, The Word of God. If Satan tempts us the best word within the Word is for us to Flee (not yield). If we actively pursue Satan through voodoo or other God forbidden practices we will reap what we sowe and then we will see how we match up with Satan’s power.

Satan has not changed; He was, is and is currently the same guy that showed up in the Garden with Adam and Eve; and the Same guy that terrorized Job (Job 1). He will only be destroyed when He is cast into the Lake of Fire:

Revelation 20:10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Good Day and God Bless
 
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Preface to the King James Version 1611

THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER

Page 1 of 2

This letter is not copyrighted so feel free to copy it to your hard drive and read it at your leisure. The letter is written in 17th Century English and will require patience to complete. This letter shows that the KJV was written in the everyday language of the times.

One of the concepts that stand out in this letter is that the translators say of themselves that they are but men and can make mistakes. They admit that they are not always correct on the translation of every word and they admonish the reader to seek other sources to help translate them. (Go To This Place in the Letter). They want YOU, the reader, to make sure you understand God's Word, and they suggest you let God lead you and show you the meaning of His Word (Go To This Place in the Letter).

Notes: (1.) A Thesis on the letter by Edgar Goodspeed is available on line. It succinctly summarizes this rather long letter. (2.) Most outside marginal readings are enclosed in brackets "[ ]" in the text. (3.) Most inside marginal readings will be displayed at this site as section titles:

http://www.bibleword.org/kjvlet.html

RB, contradictions and translation errors are not the same. There is a HUGE difference in the two.

For example, here is a contradiction for you...

Matthew 27:3-5
3. Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned , repented himself , and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4. Saying , I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said , What is that to us? see thou to that.
5. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed , and went and hanged himself .
6. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said , It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
7. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
8. Wherefore that field was called , The field of blood, unto this day.

Acts 1:16-18
16. Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled , which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

So in one account, Judas threw the money at the feet of the Jewish leaders, went out and hung himself. The priests and scribes take this "blood money" and buy a field and use it to bury the dead, because the money is unclean.

In the second account, Judas Iscarriot himself purchases a field. No mention is made of him hanging himself. At some point, whether by accident or on purpose, Judas falls headlong (whether accidentally or on purpose, we can't know for certain) and he bursts assunder and his bowels gushed out.

Did Judas kill himself or did he accidentally fall off a cliff onto sharp rocks? Did Judas purchase the "field of blood" or was it the priests and scribes who purchased it? Those are contradictions, not mistranslations.

One more thing...if one is prepared to allow for the possibility of translator or transcriber errors, then the claim of Biblical inerrancy is completely undermined since no originals exist to serve as a benchmark against which to identify the errors. Left only with our error-prone copies of the originals, the claim of infallibility becomes completely meaningless. A pandora’s box would truly be open: You could have the Bible say whatever you want it to say by simply claiming that words to the contrary are the result of copying or translation/interpretation errors, and nothing could prove you wrong.

Perhaps this is why there are more than 30,000 denominations.
 
RB, contradictions and translation errors are not the same. There is a HUGE difference in the two.

For example, here is a contradiction for you...

Matthew 27:3-5
3. Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned , repented himself , and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4. Saying , I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said , What is that to us? see thou to that.
5. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed , and went and hanged himself .
6. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said , It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
7. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
8. Wherefore that field was called , The field of blood, unto this day.

Acts 1:16-18
16. Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled , which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

So in one account, Judas threw the money at the feet of the Jewish leaders, went out and hung himself. The priests and scribes take this "blood money" and buy a field and use it to bury the dead, because the money is unclean.

In the second account, Judas Iscarriot himself purchases a field. No mention is made of him hanging himself. At some point, whether by accident or on purpose, Judas falls headlong (whether accidentally or on purpose, we can't know for certain) and he bursts assunder and his bowels gushed out.

Did Judas kill himself or did he accidentally fall off a cliff onto sharp rocks? Did Judas purchase the "field of blood" or was it the priests and scribes who purchased it? Those are contradictions, not mistranslations.

One more thing...if one is prepared to allow for the possibility of translator or transcriber errors, then the claim of Biblical inerrancy is completely undermined since no originals exist to serve as a benchmark against which to identify the errors. Left only with our error-prone copies of the originals, the claim of infallibility becomes completely meaningless. A pandora’s box would truly be open: You could have the Bible say whatever you want it to say by simply claiming that words to the contrary are the result of copying or translation/interpretation errors, and nothing could prove you wrong.

Perhaps this is why there are more than 30,000 denominations.

If the bible seems like a contradiction to you, then ask God for better understanding of His word. Christians are not the most blessed and prosperous people on earth by accident. I would like to think the word of God has a lot to do with our success in this world, and if the bible was full of contradictions and confusions, then so too would be our Christian life.
 
If the bible seems like a contradiction to you, then ask God for better understanding of His word. Christians are not the most blessed and prosperous people on earth by accident. I would like to think the word of God has a lot to do with our success in this world, and if the bible was full of contradictions and confusions, then so too would be our Christian life.

RB, the U.S. has more problems with crime than most third world nations. We have more divorces, more murders, more prisoners, drugs, more people with mental, emotional, psychologica issues than most so-called third-world nations.

To top that off, the U.S. didn't get it's wealth by obeying God. It got it's wealth by stealing, killing off, enslaving, deceiving, and every other evil under the sun, in order to obtain it's wealth.
Ask the native Americans and Africans about the humongous evils perpetrated on them and us that helped them to become a wealthy nation, and the evils that are still being perpetrated on so-called third world nations around the world.

If God is responsible for the U.S. gaining such wealth and power by such means, wouldn't he be considered an accessory to the evils and crimes as well? I would think not.
 
JayRob

With Judas both happened the Priest purchased the field (grave) with his actions. There is an old saying “Boy you just brought yourself a pack of troubleâ€￾ how was this accomplished, by his actions.

The reason the bible “appearsâ€￾ to contradict itself, is due to the fact of who wrote the book. You have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Each witnessed different and the same events, its like you can have a car accident and there are four witnesses, more than likely you will have four stories, but there are parts that will be the same (color of cars, direction of cars) but who was at the stop sign first, you may have two or three agree and the other something totally different. But when you compile all the stories you will have the complete picture. There is a bible called the Chronological Bible, read it and you will see all four fit together like a puzzle.

If satan cannot act without the approval of man then what power does he have? If words mean anything.

Does Satan has the power to decide right from wrong

That’s not what I said. Satan does not need man to act, he only has to have permission from God. Has God, given Satan certain powers, yes He has.

To top that off, the U.S. didn't get it's wealth by obeying God. It got it's wealth by stealing, killing off, enslaving, deceiving, and every other evil under the sun, in order to obtain it's wealth

And that’s the whole truth and nothing but the truth. God has tolorated thie country and what we are seeing (Economy) is His punishment, just look at the history of countries, God has always hit them where it hurts, in their pocket.
 



JayRob

With Judas both happened the Priest purchased the field (grave) with his actions. There is an old saying “Boy you just brought yourself a pack of troubleâ€￾ how was this accomplished, by his actions.

The reason the bible “appearsâ€￾ to contradict itself, is due to the fact of who wrote the book. You have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Each witnessed different and the same events, its like you can have a car accident and there are four witnesses, more than likely you will have four stories, but there are parts that will be the same (color of cars, direction of cars) but who was at the stop sign first, you may have two or three agree and the other something totally different. But when you compile all the stories you will have the complete picture. There is a bible called the Chronological Bible, read it and you will see all four fit together like a puzzle.

If satan cannot act without the approval of man then what power does he have? If words mean anything.

Does Satan has the power to decide right from wrong

That’s not what I said. Satan does not need man to act, he only has to have permission from God. Has God, given Satan certain powers, yes He has.

To top that off, the U.S. didn't get it's wealth by obeying God. It got it's wealth by stealing, killing off, enslaving, deceiving, and every other evil under the sun, in order to obtain it's wealth

And that’s the whole truth and nothing but the truth. God has tolorated thie country and what we are seeing (Economy) is His punishment, just look at the history of countries, God has always hit them where it hurts, in their pocket.

Dr. H, I appreciate your comments. The above example was one of many stated contradictions found in the Bible. I just chose that one at random.
Let's say we give the gospel writers "a pass" in this particular instance, due your stated reasonings as to why they seemingly contradict.

What about the clear contradictions in Jesus' geneology in Matthew and Luke? The two geneologies mentioned in the gospels are so far apart, it can't be explained away.

Both are supposed to be geneologies of Jesus, however wasn't Jesus supposed to have been fathered by God, and not Joseph? This raises some interesting questions as poses some serious contradictions in scripture.

Matthew stated that Jesus wasn't the son of Joseph. If he wasn't, then how could Jesus be "of the line of David" as prophecy foretold?
The Old Testament designated that ALL geneological lines must go through the father (not the mother).
If Jesus wasn't the son of Joseph, it renders the prophecy of him coming through the line of David null and void. This means that Jesus has no established geneological record going back to David (unless God changed the rules and failed to notify his prophets and apostles regarding this change because they never mentioned it).
Remember, Matthew clearly stated that Jesus was NOT the son of Joseph.

It is not possible to pass on one's blood genealogy through adoption.

For example, a priest is someone who is born to another priest. If your father is a priest, then you are a priest. If a priest adopts a boy who is the son of someone who was not a priest, that child does not become a priest through adoption.

Luke 3:23 states this geneology as being that of Joseph's (not Mary's), so how could Jesus be a direct descendant of David, when he's not a blood relative of Joseph? It's not possible. This is another contradiction.

Another thing....what about the geneology mentioned in Luke which clearly show king David's ancestral line through Solomon being bypassed?

Jesus' line was prophesied to go through David, on through Solomon. Luke (3:31) says that Jesus line went through Solomon, but Matthew (1:6) contradicts him and says his line went through Nathan, which was not prophesied. (1 Chronicles 28:5) prophesied that Jesus would come through Solomon's line, not Nathan.
This is yet another contradiction.

There are many others, but that's the simple point I've been trying to make. The Bible is composed of major errors, errors people attribute to God. I simply disagree with that. I refuse to believe that an all knowing God would make such major blunders time and time again.
 
RB, the U.S. has more problems with crime than most third world nations. We have more divorces, more murders, more prisoners, drugs, more people with mental, emotional, psychologica issues than most so-called third-world nations.

To top that off, the U.S. didn't get it's wealth by obeying God. It got it's wealth by stealing, killing off, enslaving, deceiving, and every other evil under the sun, in order to obtain it's wealth.
Ask the native Americans and Africans about the humongous evils perpetrated on them and us that helped them to become a wealthy nation, and the evils that are still being perpetrated on so-called third world nations around the world.

If God is responsible for the U.S. gaining such wealth and power by such means, wouldn't he be considered an accessory to the evils and crimes as well? I would think not.

Are you saying the slaves created and industrialized America, Microsoft, Ford Motors, factories and etc. Who did Bill Gates and Ford Motors enslave? The last time I checked these people created jobs that didn't exist. Lincoln stated in his second inaugural address how God punished America for slavery. How many countries have you visited because I've been all over this world with the US Navy and there is not one foreign country like the Christian nations. I have been to countries where you can't even drink the tap water without getting very ill; you can drink tap in America.........that's a blessing. Have you seen the poor quality of hospitals overseas in foreign countries compared to the high tech quality hospitals in America? America is so blessed, even poor Mississippi has at least three major hospitals in its capital city. You know you're blessed when Juan, Maria, Julio, Sanchez and others are willing to die just to be given the opportunity to work in the greatest country on earth. Have you ever seen anything like this JayRob?

Van Full of Illegals coming to America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgvVYUyLRh0

For a country that's in trillions of debt, we Americans sure are on the streets with no money in the bank, no food on the table, no cars to drive, no roof over our head, and no steady job. Yep, we doing bad as a whole and most of the people in this country are suffering. Hey, they just shut down all HBCU's yesterday due to the economy and trillions we owe. I don't know why God is not taking care of Christians.
 
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JayRob

With Judas both happened the Priest purchased the field (grave) with his actions. There is an old saying “Boy you just brought yourself a pack of troubleâ€￾ how was this accomplished, by his actions.

The reason the bible “appearsâ€￾ to contradict itself, is due to the fact of who wrote the book. You have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Each witnessed different and the same events, its like you can have a car accident and there are four witnesses, more than likely you will have four stories, but there are parts that will be the same (color of cars, direction of cars) but who was at the stop sign first, you may have two or three agree and the other something totally different. But when you compile all the stories you will have the complete picture. There is a bible called the Chronological Bible, read it and you will see all four fit together like a puzzle.

If satan cannot act without the approval of man then what power does he have? If words mean anything.

Does Satan has the power to decide right from wrong

That’s not what I said. Satan does not need man to act, he only has to have permission from God. Has God, given Satan certain powers, yes He has.

What powers has God given satan over mankind? Please state them. And if you refer back to the OT, keep in mind that Jesus had not come yet and mankind had no power to resist satan. (This goes back to you not understanding the old verses the new covenant.) And then i'll tell you what powers God has given mankind. Then it will be a matter of you deciding who you think is greater, God (the Creator) or satan (a created being). And yes, Satan does need man to act or be a willing participant in his deceptiveness and his schemes. This is why he goes around SEEKING whom he can devour. (1Peter 5:8) He can't just devour anyone he chooses. If that were true, every one of us would be destroyed by satan because his mission is to kill us.

And that’s the whole truth and nothing but the truth. God has tolorated thie country and what we are seeing (Economy) is His punishment, just look at the history of countries, God has always hit them where it hurts, in their pocket.

God is not judging this country. This country is destroying itself and then we turn around and blame God for it. When God DOES finally judge this world at the end, He wont stop with the economy.

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Are you saying the slaves created and industrialized America, Microsoft, Ford Motors, factories and etc. Who did Bill Gates and Ford Motors enslave? The last time I checked these people created jobs that didn't exist. Lincoln stated in his second inaugural address how God punished America for slavery. How many countries have you visited because I've been all over this world with the US Navy and there is not one foreign country like the Christian nations. I have been to countries where you can't even drink the tap water without getting very ill; you can drink tap in America.........that's a blessing. Have you seen the poor quality of hospitals overseas in foreign countries compared to the high tech quality hospitals in America? America is so blessed, even poor Mississippi has at least three major hospitals in its capital city. You know you're blessed when Juan, Maria, Julio, Sanchez and others are willing to die just to be given the opportunity to work in the greatest country on earth. Have you ever seen anything like this JayRob?

Van Full of Illegals coming to America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgvVYUyLRh0

For a country that's in trillions of debt, we Americans sure are on the streets with no money in the bank, no food on the table, no cars to drive, no roof over our head, and no steady job. Yep, we doing bad as a whole and most of the people in this country are suffering. Hey, they just shut down all HBCU's yesterday due to the economy and trillions we owe. I don't know why God is not taking care of Christians.

RB, it's obvious that you don't read history or perhaps you choose to ignore it.
How did the U.S. acquire the land in order for there to ever be a Bill Gates? Did the Indians and native peoples give them this land or did they kill, deceive and steal it? If there was no land, there would be no Bill Gates.

If I believed your theory, I'd believe that God authorized these evils for the purpose of empowering White people. That seems to be what you're saying.
 
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RB, it's obvious that you don't read history or perhaps you choose to ignore it.
How did the U.S. acquire the land in order for there to ever be a Bill Gates? Did the Indians and native peoples give them this land or did they kill, deceive and steal it? If there was no land, there would be no Bill Gates.

If I believed your theory, I'd believe that God authorized these evils for the purpose of empowering White people. That seems to be what you're saying.

I'm glad you brought up God because you should consider reading the bible, and take serious notes on how God gives land to His people. Show me in the bible where God gave land to His people without His people taking the land from the natives........show me. Show me where God gave land to His people without a drop of blood shed for the land.......show me. Show me where God told His people they can't have the riches of the heathens(unbelievers) for their possession.......show me.

Why are you benefiting from the evils of white folks? Do you not use the evil services of this country? Do you not pay taxes to these evil white folks? White folks are the majority in this country, and they get the majority of the tax benefits; so why are you supporting evil white folks? Do you work for these evil white folks, and do they sign your check? Did you finance your mortgage from Mr. Charlie, or did you use the minority mortgage services? Did you finance your vehicle from Mr. Charlie, or did you go down to Soul Brotha Auto? Tell the truth JayRob......

These are some evil white folks JayRob, in fact, they so evil the majority of these evil white folks voted for a black president........just evil.

I guess it was the evil white side of Obama that told him to take millions from poor HBCU's, and give billions to rich white evil bankers. I guess it was the white side of Obama that told him to turn down all HBCU commencement invitations and speak at the rich white evil universities. Why would any black man want to be president over an evil nation such as America?
 
I'm glad you brought up God because you should consider reading the bible, and take serious notes on how God gives land to His people. Show me in the bible where God gave land to His people without His people taking the land from the natives........show me. Show me where God gave land to His people without a drop of blood shed for the land.......show me. Show me where God told His people they can't have the riches of the heathens(unbelievers) for their possession.......show me.

Why are you benefiting from the evils of white folks? Do you not use the evil services of this country? Do you not pay taxes to these evil white folks? White folks are the majority in this country, and they get the majority of the tax benefits; so why are you supporting evil white folks? Do you work for these evil white folks, and do they sign your check? Did you finance your mortgage from Mr. Charlie, or did you use the minority mortgage services? Did you finance your vehicle from Mr. Charlie, or did you go down to Soul Brotha Auto? Tell the truth JayRob......

These are some evil white folks JayRob, in fact, they so evil the majority of these evil white folks voted for a black president........just evil.

I guess it was the evil white side of Obama that told him to take millions from poor HBCU's, and give billions to rich white evil bankers. I guess it was the white side of Obama that told him to turn down all HBCU commencement invitations and speak at the rich white evil universities. Why would any black man want to be president over an evil nation such as America?

And you call that a loving God??!! This is why I'm so thankful that people like you are not in power. And to think that anyone would approve of this in our time and day, is highly disturbing.
You still agree to taking, stealing, pillaging and killing? The native Americans never attacked the Europeans. You think the Europeans were justified in wiping out a people who only tried to help them survive? Do you? If you do, then I have confidence in saying that you are a certified lunatic.

And who called White people evil? I didn't, but you claim I did. I simply stated that the way that White people/Europeans acquired the land was by evil means, regardless of the lifestyle we are living today. It still doesn't negate the fact of what they did. The ends do not justify the means. Let me repeat that...."the ends do not justify the means".

As for paying taxes, this government is not composed solely of White people, so your theory of me paying money to only White people is irrelevant. Taxes support all people and people work for the purpose of supporting all people via taxes, not just White people.

The way you talk about White folks and what they've accomplished, makes me think that you think that they're "god", and that's highly disturbing.
You're getting MATERIAL wealth and "things" confused with what really matters.....love, mercy, justice, peace, honesty. I'd rather have that than riches most any day.

The point of the matter is that some folks use scripture as a justification to hate, kill, steal, enslave, lie, demean and any other evil, just because they claim that God approved of it. In all reality, it was their own mind and own thoughts about what scripture says, that told them to do what they wanted to do all along.
 
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News Alert, Satan is on a mission to destroy everyone that he comes in contact with, especially those that confess to be Christians. “Brakes on – Emergency Stop†Satan already knows that are legit, that’s why he don’t trouble himself with some. Satan, can be one place at a time, thus he has his agents (demonic spirits) doing his dirty work.

What powers have God given Satan over man, that’s an easy one? The power of influence, deceit (he called the deceiver, he influence thru lies and deceit). However, God have provided a way out. If He had not, we would be totally under the influence of Satan.

I am glad you mentioned 1 Peter 5:8 - What is Peter saying

5:8 Trust in God is not all that we need. We also need to put into practice self-control and to keep alert (1:13; 4:7) why, because Satan is on the prowl (to regulate one's life) (Job 1:7; Matt. 26:41; 1 Cor. 16:13). Peter's reminds the readers that we are “always†in danger from him(Satan) if they gave in to his temptation to regard their sufferings as an indication of God's lack of concern or hard feelings (James 1:13). Satan not only seeks to deceive us as a serpent (2 Cor. 11:3), but he also seeks to devour (destroy, drink or swallow down) us as a lion.

"The picture is one of a beast swallowing its prey in a gulp."

Who authorize Satan to seek and gulp us down? It was God, how do we know (Job). Satan, just did not decide to walk up and down in the earth during the time of Job. This goes back to Adam and Eve, in fact it goes back before Adam and Eve, back before the creation of Adam or the earth was inhabited by man or animal.

Note: this same authority, power that God authorized, bestowed etc, etc, to Satan before the creation is still his. There is no scripture saying that God with the power for him. He does it by influence / persuasion using whatever means necessary thru his demonic agents.

5:9 God commands us to forsake the world and deny the lusts of the flesh, we should resist the devil (Eph. 6:11-13; Jas. 4:7). Satan's desire is to get the Christian to doubt, to deny, to disregard, and to disobey what God has commanded [‘resist" to defend oneself against, not to attack]. What are we to resist / deny The World (1 John 2:15-17)

Now Peter promotes three responses concerning Satan, we should respect him ("be of sober spirit," v. 8). I bet Peter is thinking “If I had respected Satan more I would not have slept in the Garden of Gethsemane after Jesus had warned him to watch and pray so that he would not enter into temptation.

Second, Peter said we should recognize Satan ("be on the alert," v. 8). I Peter is thinking “ If had been vigilant I would not have denied Jesus three times in the courtyard of the high priest.


Third, we should resist Satan (v. 9). I bet Peter is saying, If I had resisted Satan I would have resisted him, because I was alert and would not have cut off Malchus' ear.

"Before we can stand before Satan [8-9], Peter said we must bow before God [6-7]. Peter resisted the Lord and ended up submitting to Satan!"

5:10 Now Peter says “we have someone who is able to overcome our adversary the devil.

"What Peter has done is stacked a number of carefully related terms that supports each other that assures the goodwill that God is intending for them and even now is producing in their suffering."

5:11 God has enough power and ability to help us endure whatever suffering. He allows us to experience (1 Cor. 10:13). Note: and some say God does not “do what allow us [suffer, become ill etc, etc]. Who is responsible for doing this, Satan thru the permissive will of God.

It’s call the divine / sovereign / Permissive will of God. There are things that God “Permits†“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.†Det. 29:29

Decretive / sovereign / determined / immutable will of God, Job is an example. God is in charge, not us! Job 14:1,5 Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble. 5 Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;

The other will of God is His permissive will, is God allows. God allowed Job to go through suffering. God didn’t cause the suffering. He permitted it.
 
And you call that a loving God??!!
You still agree to taking, stealing, pillaging and killing? You think the Europeans were justified in wiping out a people who only tried to help them survive? Do you?

And who called White people evil?

As for paying taxes, this government is not composed solely of White people, so your theory of me paying money to only White people is irrelevant. Taxes support all people and people work for the purpose of supporting all people via taxes, not just White people.

The way you talk about White folks and what they've accomplished, makes me think that you think that they're "god", and that's highly disturbing.

The point of the matter is that some folks use scripture as a justification to hate, kill, steal, enslave, lie, demean and any other evil, just because they claim that God approved of it. In all reality, it was their own mind and own thoughts about what scripture says, that told them to do what they wanted to do all along.

Yes, it's called tough love. When your children can't behave themselves then you have to humble them by taking things away from them.

Stealing is wrong, however when God gives His people something it's not stealing because it belongs to God. He just gives His belongings to whoever He chooses.

Again, I explained how God gives land to His people........

You're trying to blame white folks today for what their ancestors did, and that won't fly.

I stated the majority of taxes go to white folks, and if taxes are for all people, why are there millions of Americans without?

I used sarcasm when talking about the white folks, and I thought it wouldn't be too hard for you to comprehend.
 
The point of the matter is that some folks use scripture as a justification to hate, kill, steal, enslave, lie, demean and any other evil, just because they claim that God approved of it. In all reality, it was their own mind and own thoughts about what scripture says, that told them to do what they wanted to do all along.


It's sad to say, but for hundreds of years individual has used religion and the name of God to justify their actions and that wont fly. Sure, the bible speak os slaves, but during that time the slaves were more servants (hired servants) no more than what we do going to work. While this country appear to be doing well, it's really suffering morally.

God "allowed - tolorated" the whites [Europeans] to do a lot of injustice to the Native Americans, Blacks, Jews, Hispanic and others, now why? Well we don't know the answer, it's part of God's plan (for something) that we cannot see.

It's hard for me to overlook how the whites forced marched the American Indians to the Mid-West (Trail of Tears) I part of the trail every day and my Great Grand Mother family was part of the force march. And how the White Soilders placed small pox in blankets and wiped out an entire Indian Nation. That's wrong and will they pay for it, yes, maybe not here on earth, but they will stand before God on judgement day. There are thousands of wrong doings all "races" and individuals has committed ane they will have to give an account.

As much as this country has "US" it's still one of the most racist countries on the face of the earth.


Just trust God, He know what He is doing.
 
The way you talk about White folks and what they've accomplished, makes me think that you think that they're "god", and that's highly disturbing.

The point of the matter is that some folks use scripture as a justification to hate, kill, steal, enslave, lie, demean and any other evil, just because they claim that God approved of it. In all reality, it was their own mind and own thoughts about what scripture says, that told them to do what they wanted to do all along.


What's highly disturbing to me is that I have to watch myself and family around my own people. Why? Some of my people have a tendency to rob, steal, and murder; this is highly disturbing in my book. Am I saying that white folks don't rob, steal, and murder? No. I could care less what they do because their actions don't effect my community. I'm not saying this to be mean spirited, but I do believe in getting my own house in order before I go straighten out other folks house. What does effect my community is when black people commit these crimes and the elders allow this foolishness to continue.........that hurts.

It upsets me to see great young black athletes going to prestigious white institutions instead of HBCUs. Why? It was the HBCU that paved the way for black athletes, therefore young black athletes should show some respect and boldly represent what afforded them the opportunity. It's a shame JSU can't find 8,000 black people out of 170,000 city population to support the basketball team consistently.

The reality is we have a terrible habit of not supporting each other, and this has nothing to do with white folks; but has everything to do with the black community. IMO, our community is crumbling because we don't stand for nothing and we've lost sight of what's important.
 
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